Woj: Love on the block

nighthob · Dec 7, 2019

NomarsFool said:
Since GH is a free agent this summer, and Love is not, I wouldn't see Cleveland making that trade unless the Celtics included some sort of other compensation (pick or picks). It's arguable whether the team is better this season with Hayward or Love. I think it's better with Hayward, but I can see the point that it could be better with Love - but it doesn't seem like that much of an upgrade.

A slow-footed 6’8” C that can’t defend the perimeter might be an upgrade on Theiss due to offense, but is a giant downgrade to Hayward. This is the wing era of the NBA, and K-Lo doesn’t fit.

NomarsFool said:
IF the Celtics really don't like GH long term (they don't plan to resign him this summer), I guess it could make sense from a long-term perspective. But, I'd be surprised they felt that way.

The hesitation to re-sign him is simply that he’s going to be really expensive to keep through his mid 30s and they might not have the stomach for the luxury tax bill for his post-30 years.

NomarsFool said:
IMHO, this summer the Celtics need to either resign Hayward, OR hope that he wants to go somewhere where some kind of sign and trade could happen (which is likely very low probability).

I don’t think that he’s interested in toiling away on a rebuilding squad like the Knicks, and I don’t see him Paul Georging his way to LA. I suspect the competition will be Golden State, Indiana, and Houston, but all three need to go the sign & trade route.

djbayko · Dec 7, 2019

Lose Remerswaal said:
Good one, luckiest, but I thought Neil Diamond made more sense

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UbvxP08FlMs

Yeah, this is all I could think of every time I saw this thread title.

"Love on the block. Ain't no surprise."

BigSoxFan · Dec 7, 2019

All this hypothetical Heywood trade talk is giving me the sads. Zero interest in trading him, especially for a past-his-prime Love. Would rather lose Hayward for nothing this summer or get a weak sign-and-trade return than deal with Love’s last 2 years.

If...IF...we do feel compelled to trade Hayward due to wanting to get something for him, would rather look to SA and Aldridge, who has one more year left next year. Of course, SA is starting to show signs of life so doubt he’s available.

radsoxfan · Dec 8, 2019

Love is a HUGE net-negative on that contract. The only teams that should even be considering must have an albatross of their own they are looking to dump. Cleveland is going to have to staple some real assets to Love and/or take back something similarly awful to make a trade work.

If we trade GH for Love, the FO has lost its collective mind.

lovegtm · Dec 8, 2019

nighthob said:
A slow-footed 6’8” C that can’t defend the perimeter might be an upgrade on Theiss due to offense, but is a giant downgrade to Hayward. This is the wing era of the NBA, and K-Lo doesn’t fit.

The hesitation to re-sign him is simply that he’s going to be really expensive to keep through his mid 30s and they might not have the stomach for the luxury tax bill for his post-30 years.

I don’t think that he’s interested in toiling away on a rebuilding squad like the Knicks, and I don’t see him Paul Georging his way to LA. I suspect the competition will be Golden State, Indiana, and Houston, but all three need to go the sign & trade route.

Maybe Miami as well, since GH has previously had interest there. I doubt the Celtics would facilitate to an Eastern Conference team though.

benhogan · Dec 8, 2019

lovegtm said:
Maybe Miami as well, since GH has previously had interest there. I doubt the Celtics would facilitate to an Eastern Conference team though.

Miami could deal with Cleveland direct. Match salaries with Dion Waiters/James Johnson. And then work out the differences. The Cavs players mailed it in tonight, losing by 47 pts to an Embiid-less 76ers.

I'm sure Beilein would love to get his hands on the new improved Duncan Robinson. I assume the entire Cavs roster (except recent draft picks) is available

NomarsFool · Dec 8, 2019

nighthob said:
The hesitation to re-sign him is simply that he’s going to be really expensive to keep through his mid 30s and they might not have the stomach for the luxury tax bill for his post-30 years.

Can certainly see that from a financial perspective. But, since it's not my money, I'd rather have GH on the team than no one. If he goes away, it's not like they can sign someone else instead. The Celtics will be over the cap, and they can spend whatever to keep this current team together (with luxury tax implications, of course). However, my understanding (and admittedly my cap understanding is minimal) they can extend Tatum and resign Smart because they have the rights to do all of that. But, they just aren't going to be able to have a shot at bringing in new players (and they'll have to pay the taxes). But, not my money.

benhogan · Dec 10, 2019

benhogan said:
Miami could deal with Cleveland direct. Match salaries with Dion Waiters/James Johnson. And then work out the differences. The Cavs players mailed it in tonight, losing by 47 pts to an Embiid-less 76ers.

I'm sure Beilein would love to get his hands on the new improved Duncan Robinson. I assume the entire Cavs roster (except recent draft picks) is available

So Portland probably leads the Love sweepstakes but think Miami is a dark horse. I'm adding 2 other dark horses:
1. Toronto offers a burnt-out Gasol & protected 1
2. Phoenix Suns offers Tyler Johnson/Frank Kaminsky & protected 1

Just don't think Cleveland has a lot of places to go with Love's salary commitment

Jimbodandy · Dec 10, 2019

benhogan said:
So Portland probably leads the Love sweepstakes but think Miami is a dark horse. I'm adding 2 other dark horses:
1. Toronto offers a burnt-out Gasol & protected 1
2. Phoenix Suns offers Tyler Johnson/Frank Kaminsky & protected 1

Just don't think Cleveland has a lot of places to go with Love's salary commitment

What a bag of suck. May as well hold onto him as a veteran mentor to the flock of young guys.

lovegtm · Dec 10, 2019

Jimbodandy said:
What a bag of suck. May as well hold onto him as a veteran mentor to the flock of young guys.

I’d take a protected 1 and expiring Gasol to get out of 3 years of that contract.

Pollard's Spartan Beard · Dec 10, 2019

In his Early Primer for NBA Trade Season today, Kevin O'Connor at The Ringer pointed out that Denver, who has been great on defense but underwhelming on the offensive end, could look at dealing Millsap's expiring for Love. Could make some sense, as a Love/Grant pairing at the PF might allow them to get more creative situationally than what they have right now.

FWIW he also throws Phoenix out there as a possible trade partner, as they have the Tyler Johnson and Frank Kaminsky expirings, Saric, and picks that they could deal.

Lazy vs Crazy · Dec 10, 2019

I don't see Denver doing it. They refuse to pay luxury tax and Love is a big commitment.

Papelbon's Poutine · Dec 10, 2019

Lazy vs Crazy said:
I don't see Denver doing it. They refuse to pay luxury tax and Love is a big commitment.

Love makes less than Milsap and I highly doubt they'll re-up Plumlee for his $14M. If they want him, they have room.

nighthob · Dec 10, 2019

Yeah, I don’t think there’s any question that Denver could make the move, the question is what are they giving up to make it worth the Cavs’ trouble.

lovegtm · Dec 10, 2019

nighthob said:
Yeah, I don’t think there’s any question that Denver could make the move, the question is what are they giving up to make it worth the Cavs’ trouble.

The Cavs have opportunity cost in holding on to Love. If they can jettison the remainders of the LeBron era, they’ll have room to rent cap space for picks. There’s really no point in their paying Kevin Love for 3 more years imo.

Jimbodandy · Dec 10, 2019

lovegtm said:
The Cavs have opportunity cost in holding on to Love. If they can jettison the remainders of the LeBron era, they’ll have room to rent cap space for picks. There’s really no point in their paying Kevin Love for 3 more years imo.

Love is still the best player on a team going nowhere. I suppose the renting cap space for picks thing makes sense, but I'm not seeing a team that's going anywhere any time soon. Clearing cap space to sign a big name FA isn't on their agenda, is it? Calling a guy "available" means more than salary dump and mid to bottom lottery pick plus garbage, doesn't it? Maybe I'm reading it wrong...

JakeRae · Dec 10, 2019

Jimbodandy said:
Love is still the best player on a team going nowhere. I suppose the renting cap space for picks thing makes sense, but I'm not seeing a team that's going anywhere any time soon. Clearing cap space to sign a big name FA isn't on their agenda, is it? Calling a guy "available" means more than salary dump and mid to bottom lottery pick plus garbage, doesn't it? Maybe I'm reading it wrong...

It depends. I’m sure they’d like more than that but it may not be out there and we don’t know how badly they want out of the commitment or whether he’s internally demanded a trade. His value is unlikely to increase playing with their current roster and given age/career trajectory.

benhogan · Dec 10, 2019

lovegtm said:
The Cavs have opportunity cost in holding on to Love. If they can jettison the remainders of the LeBron era, they’ll have room to rent cap space for picks. There’s really no point in their paying Kevin Love for 3 more years imo.

This is where I'm at.
Garland/Sexton/KPJ/Windler are going to take years to develop.
Increase minutes, role, tank. Rinse. Repeat

Make it a 3yr process:

1. Keep Nance/Cedi, give them minutes, increase their value (with the idea of dealing them next season or later)

2. Deal Love now for matching bad contracts and a pick(s).

3. They have $57MM in expiring deals (Clarkson, TT, Delly, Knight, Henson). Package before Feb trade deadline to teams looking to free up space for 2020. Take on bad 1yr or 2yr deals/get picks

4. A dreadful 2020 free-agent class doesn't really help their cause, but getting a bad 2yr contract could help next season when 2021 free-agent class is better. Rinse/Repeat

They just need to accept they will suck for the next 36 months

NomarsFool · Dec 11, 2019

The difficulty I see from Cleveland's perspective is that most of the team's they would send Love to can only offer a late round pick in return. Maybe there are aome situations out there where someone has an early pick they acquired from someone else - but unless you are very lucky, late round picks have a low probability of making any difference. So, it might be better just to hold on to Love and not be a complete joke of a franchise, than trading him to essentially end up a 20+ pick.

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

NomarsFool said:
So, it might be better just to hold on to Love and not be a complete joke of a franchise, than trading him to essentially end up a 20+ pick.

But they are a joke with him and $120MM poorer for the next 4 seasons. They could use that cap space down the road to add salary/picks. Love is 31 and trending down hard.

The Cavs are -10.7 pt differential. 2nd worst in the NBA trying their best to catch the Knicks.

A 20ish pick (like a Thybulle, Grant Williams, Brandon Clarke, Paschall, Terence Davis) that immediately gets NBA time, instead of giving minutes to Kevin Love, also creates value for the franchise.

Cavs need to embrace the tank. Its been their MO for the last 20yrs whenever Bron was living elsewhere.

lovegtm · Dec 11, 2019

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benhogan said:
But they are a joke with him and $120MM poorer for the next 4 seasons. They could use that cap space down the road to add salary/picks. Love is 31 and trending down hard.

The Cavs are -10.7 pt differential. 2nd worst in the NBA trying their best to catch the Knicks.

A 20ish pick (like a Thybulle, Grant Williams, Brandon Clarke, Paschall, Terence Davis) that immediately gets NBA time, instead of giving minutes to Kevin Love, also creates value for the franchise.

Cavs need to embrace the tank. Its been their MO for the last 20yrs whenever Bron was living elsewhere.

Yes, any reasonably-run franchise would unload Kevin Love for whatever they could get to be able to add other salary and picks. Getting a low pick or two and being off his salary is a win imo, and would justify giving him the contract in the first place (which I thought was a bad one at the time).

HomeRunBaker · Dec 11, 2019

I thought I had posted my Love thoughts here but I guess it was Twitter or FB.

The one obvious match to me.

NomarsFool said:
The difficulty I see from Cleveland's perspective is that most of the team's they would send Love to can only offer a late round pick in return. Maybe there are aome situations out there where someone has an early pick they acquired from someone else - but unless you are very lucky, late round picks have a low probability of making any difference. So, it might be better just to hold on to Love and not be a complete joke of a franchise, than trading him to essentially end up a 20+ pick.

Portland is in win-now mode yet has an expiring contract at the 5 until Nurkic returns and Melo at the 4 with an exciting young player stuck behind Lillard and CJ. They need to make a move quick......Love for Simons and Whitesides contract, who says no?

shoelace · Dec 11, 2019

Maybe Portland will trade for Love, but adding Love's contract to McCollum and Lillard's seems like a dangerous move financially. Why wouldn't they just try to go after someone like Gallinari?

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

HomeRunBaker said:
I thought I had posted my Love thoughts here but I guess it was Twitter or FB.

The one obvious match to me.

Portland is in win-now mode yet has an expiring contract at the 5 until Nurkic returns and Melo at the 4 with an exciting young player stuck behind Lillard and CJ. They need to make a move quick......Love for Simons and Whitesides contract, who says no?

Portland would be the obvious/smartest landing spot. With his previous health issues, it would be nice to see Love head back home

I'm pretty bearish on his 31-34 seasons, especially at that money. If Cleveland gets offered that they should make one last round of calls to other interested parties then move quickly by end of day Dec 15th

Cleveland could turn around and be the hub for expiring contracts. Come on down, bring some draft picks and unload your bad deals.

HomeRunBaker · Dec 11, 2019

shoelace said:
Maybe Portland will trade for Love, but adding Love's contract to McCollum and Lillard's seems like a dangerous move financially. Why wouldn't they just try to go after someone like Gallinari?

The Blazers revenue has increased 33% over the past two years and the Allen family isn't known for penny pinching when they are putting a product on the floor. If they are going to include Whiteside for an impact player in return that player would be best suited to being able to play the 5 (which Gallinari even in todays NBA can't do) since Nurkic isn't ready to return and we don't know how effective he will be upon return. This team is 1-game out of the playoffs as of today but are 10-15 and can't place a whole lot of trust on Nurkic being more than a rotation guy rather than an impact guy. Bringing the home town hero in Love back home would be much more exciting for their fan base than a Gallanari and a better fit for the team as it is currently structured.

The other option for Portland is to keep Simons and move McCollum which is absolutely on the table IMO...….but for the purpose of this thread that wouldn't really apply to the Cavs in a trade of Love. I'm almost certain on one of CJ or Simons will be traded by the draft if not by the deadline but again only Simons is a fit in a deal for Love.

benhogan said:
I'm pretty bearish on his 31-34 seasons, especially at that money. If Cleveland gets offered that they should make one last round of calls to other interested parties then move quickly by end of day Dec 15th

It depends on ones expectations. The thing with Love will be his health but he has a reputation as one of those guys who really takes care of himself regarding diet, nutrition, and training. His Minnesota days are long gone but he's been pretty much the same 17/10 complementary player 2nd/3rd-option over the past over the past 4-5 years.......if he remains healthy I don't really see Love tailing off in what his role would be in Portland.

radsoxfan · Dec 11, 2019

Any team that trades for Love now will be begging someone else to take him next trade deadline. If Cleveland can get a shorter term 1-2 year albatross and a 2nd round pick they should consider that a win. If they are looking for anything of actual value they are going to have a tough time.

He's not currently useless, but he's not a top 3 player on a half decent team anymore and things are unlikely to improve much at his age. A clearly declining Love in his age 32, 33, and 34 seasons for 31M, 31M and 29M? Ouch.

DeJesus Built My Hotrod · Dec 11, 2019

As I said upthread, I don't see Portland parting with Simons (especially with Hood out). They reportedly love him and my guess is that any package they offer for Love is centered around either Whiteside or Bazemore and picks.

As for McCollum, per Marc Spears on the Lowe Post last week, Olshey is on record as saying they don't want to deal guys like CJ because Portland has a hard time attracting high end replacements via FA. I understand that some of this is posturing and I have no doubt that the Blazers would move CJ in the right deal. However I suspect that Olshey really believes this to some degree because he has held on to both Lillard and McCollum for a few years now despite a number of pundits saying he had to move one or the other.

Lillard is a franchise icon and if you read Spears' recent piece on him or any other article on his time with the Blazers, its hard to make a case that he will be moved. Things can change of course but the bar for him being traded seems incredibly high, especially given how committed both sides are to him staying in Portland.

Love to Portland just feels like the best fit for everyone at this point. Cleveland gets out from under his contract and either gets a pick or possibly Simons (Altman has to ask) while the Blazers triple down on this squad.

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

HomeRunBaker said:
His Minnesota days are long gone but he's been pretty much the same 17/10 complementary player 2nd/3rd-option over the past over the past 4-5 years.......if he remains healthy I don't really see Love tailing off in what his role would be in Portland.

I don't doubt the 17/10 over 30mpg, but it's the defense that's the issue, it's bad now.

His trending defensive metrics, age, injury history and the modern game isn't going to suit him. Wings will abuse him and BIGs will go over him. MaMo-like defense.

Yikes, is K-love really that much better than MaMo now

and pay him $120MM

shoelace · Dec 11, 2019

HomeRunBaker said:
The Blazers revenue has increased 33% over the past two years and the Allen family isn't known for penny pinching when they are putting a product on the floor. If they are going to include Whiteside for an impact player in return that player would be best suited to being able to play the 5 (which Gallinari even in todays NBA can't do) since Nurkic isn't ready to return and we don't know how effective he will be upon return. This team is 1-game out of the playoffs as of today but are 10-15 and can't place a whole lot of trust on Nurkic being more than a rotation guy rather than an impact guy. Bringing the home town hero in Love back home would be much more exciting for their fan base than a Gallanari and a better fit for the team as it is currently structured.

Couldn't Portland just expand a potential Gallinari deal to include Noel if they were concerned about having someone to take minutes at the 5 if Whiteside is going out? They can also just trade Bazemore and a pick for Gallinari and keep Whiteside at the 5.

I can totally see a Whiteside for Love deal happening, I think you make good points in its favor, it just feels like a bad deal for Portland. I think Love is still a useful player, but he hasn't played in more than 60 games since the 2015-2016 season, and you're committing $90,000,000 to him for three additional seasons beyond this one. Just seems like a pretty bold risk to take for a team that would still not win a championship, to my mind.

Devizier · Dec 11, 2019

Love is probably a negative at this point. Just look at his turnovers and his injury history. I know he can perform better in a good situation but this seems like a "father time is undefeated" scenario.

the moops · Dec 11, 2019

If Portland trades for Love it is more about 2021 than this year. The injuries and poor play have killed this team's hope of making a deep playoff run, and I imagine they aren't too excited about sneaking into the 8 seed and getting wiped by either LA team in the first round.

This is also the reason why I doubt a Gallo trade would happen.

RedOctober3829 · Dec 11, 2019

Something from an NBA Radio host I saw: Portland trades Hassan Whiteside to Cleveland for Love. Whiteside gets bought out and signs with Boston.

Big John · Dec 11, 2019

Why would the Celtics want Whiteside? Isn't TL a younger version of Whiteside? And even if TL isn't, Theis is a better player than either of them.
Let me add that Miami makes sense to me. Olynyk, Waiters and a late first rounder for Love. I don't think he's worth much more than that.

nighthob · Dec 11, 2019

DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
As I said upthread, I don't see Portland parting with Simons (especially with Hood out). They reportedly love him and my guess is that any package they offer for Love is centered around either Whiteside or Bazemore and picks.

As for McCollum, per Marc Spears on the Lowe Post last week, Olshey is on record as saying they don't want to deal guys like CJ because Portland has a hard time attracting high end replacements via FA. I understand that some of this is posturing and I have no doubt that the Blazers would move CJ in the right deal. However I suspect that Olshey really believes this to some degree because he has held on to both Lillard and McCollum for a few years now despite a number of pundits saying he had to move one or the other.

Lillard is a franchise icon and if you read Spears' recent piece on him or any other article on his time with the Blazers, its hard to make a case that he will be moved. Things can change of course but the bar for him being traded seems incredibly high, especially given how committed both sides are to him staying in Portland.

Love to Portland just feels like the best fit for everyone at this point. Cleveland gets out from under his contract and either gets a pick or possibly Simons (Altman has to ask) while the Blazers triple down on this squad.

There are two facets to this. First, Cleveland is bad with Love, so there's no urgency to deal him to get out from under the contract because there's real value to having stable vets in the clubhouse when you're running out a team of prospects (Boston is likely the apex version of this phenomenon). So the idea of Love for Whiteside straight up is likely a non-starter. And the "But next summer they could use the extra cap space to eat more bad deals for low firsts!!!" doesn't carry a lot of weight because they already have around $67 million in expiring deals this year. I'm not saying that someone is going to have to Knicks up to get him, but they're going to have to give more than another $27 million in expiring salary and a pick in the 20-40 range. (Off topic, but would there be a more hilarious use of their 2021 cap space than to trade for Irving after Durant issues his ultimatum?)

The other facet is Olshey's observations about Portland, which he is likely right about. So a McCollum trade would need to be for more than the remains of Kevin Love. And I can well see why they wouldn't move Simons. Because when they do finally move McCollum, they're going to want to slide Simons into the 2 spot.

If the Blazers offer a pick with limited protections (i.e. top 10 protection) the deal probably gets done. Aside from that, if you're the Cavs, you're better off just holding on to him as a stabilizing clubhouse presence during the rebuilding era, so that you don't end up being the Blatche/Javale Wizards.

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

Big John said:
Why would the Celtics want Whiteside? Isn't TL a younger version of Whiteside? And even if TL isn't, Theis is a better player than either of them.

1. injury depth... injuries happen, at the 5 it seems quite often
case in point: TL out tonight

2. situational... Theis is smallish for a 5. Having fresh, big, defense-first 5s to throw at Embiid would be helpful in a playoff scenario.

lovegtm · Dec 11, 2019

Big John said:
Why would the Celtics want Whiteside? Isn't TL a younger version of Whiteside? And even if TL isn't, Theis is a better player than either of them.

The national media operates on a 3-8 week narrative lag. “The Celtics need a center” was an October talking point that still hasn’t gone away.

RedOctober3829 · Dec 11, 2019

Big John said:
Why would the Celtics want Whiteside? Isn't TL a younger version of Whiteside? And even if TL isn't, Theis is a better player than either of them.

Why would they want Whiteside? Have you seen him play this year? He is averaging 15 points and 12 boards with 2.5 blocks per game while shooting 61% from the field. Theis is averaging 6 pts and 6 boards If he is bought out, having him on a low-money deal is exactly what this team will need when they go up against the likes of Milwaukee and Philadelphia in the East.

Senator Donut · Dec 11, 2019

A Love trade needs to thread the needle between two franchise objectives. In order to trade for Love, a team needs to expect to be competitive in the short term, but does not expect to land an impact player in the free agent class of 2021. (Love's contract would jeopardize cap space for that summer.) Portland seems to check both of these boxes.

shoelace said:
Maybe Portland will trade for Love, but adding Love's contract to McCollum and Lillard's seems like a dangerous move financially. Why wouldn't they just try to go after someone like Gallinari?

I have the opposite reaction. With their backcourt tied up with big extensions and the team already over the tax threshold, I don't think trading for Love is all that risky, because the team is not likely to have cap space even without Love.

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

nighthob said:
if you're the Cavs, you're better off just holding on to him as a stabilizing clubhouse presence during the rebuilding era, so that you don't end up being the Blatche/Javale Wizards.

They should hire my wife to be the Cavs GM, she only pays $20/hr for our babysitter

Veteran, role models could be had for less than $90MM over the next 3 seasons.

nighthob · Dec 11, 2019

Sure, but given their cap situation, there's still no urgency to unload him. It's not like they're landing two marquee free agents with their max salary slots. And the $45 million or so that they'll actually have next summer is fine for eating bad deals in exchange for crap picks.

benhogan · Dec 11, 2019

nighthob said:
Sure, but given their cap situation, there's still no urgency to unload him. It's not like they're landing two marquee free agents with their max salary slots. And the $45 million or so that they'll actually have next summer is fine for eating bad deals in exchange for crap picks.

why not have $75MM to eat bad contracts?

Plenty of teams have players on bad multi-year contracts PLUS we still have no clarity on China revenue/2020 Cap/luxury tax implications

nighthob · Dec 11, 2019

Because there just isn't functional space for that many Jordan Clarksons clogging up your roster.

RedOctober3829 · Dec 11, 2019

nighthob said:
Because there just isn't functional space for that many Jordan Clarksons clogging up your roster.

What did the "Process" teams look like for Philly?

nighthob · Dec 11, 2019

RedOctober3829 said:
What did the "Process" teams look like for Philly?

Sadly for Sixers fans most of those Jordan Clarksons weren't traded for, they were drafted by Philly.

Jimbodandy · Dec 11, 2019

I'm on the nighthob bandwagon on this one. Someone else's shit for your shit isn't improvement, especially if their shit is worse. Cleveland is probably three years away from making the playoffs and #20 picks won't likely affect that materially.

Big John · Dec 11, 2019

RedOctober3829 said:
Why would they want Whiteside? Have you seen him play this year? He is averaging 15 points and 12 boards with 2.5 blocks per game while shooting 61% from the field. Theis is averaging 6 pts and 6 boards If he is bought out, having him on a low-money deal is exactly what this team will need when they go up against the likes of Milwaukee and Philadelphia in the East.

As a low dollar Poirier replacement Whiteside would be fine unless he becomes unhappy with his role. And I'd rather have Richaun Holmes anyway.

the moops · Dec 11, 2019

Holmes is paid peanuts though, and SAC is fighting for a playoff spot.

DeJesus Built My Hotrod · Dec 11, 2019

Jimbodandy said:
I'm on the nighthob bandwagon on this one. Someone else's shit for your shit isn't improvement, especially if their shit is worse. Cleveland is probably three years away from making the playoffs and #20 picks won't likely affect that materially.

I don't think Cleveland is going to give Love away but if he wants out, they have to balance that in their thinking as well.

As HRB would point out if he weren't placing bets on first quarter player +/- for tonight's Grizzlies @ Suns contest, teams try to honor player requests as much as possible in order to generate good will with agents and prospective free agents.

Also, while veteran players clearly can help younger players learn, I think we've all seen situations where disgruntled stars can do just the opposite.

None of this is to say that Cleveland wont hang on to Love or that they will hold on to him until/unless they get a significant return. However its also likely that they ultimately just need to move him. As has been noted upthread, he is an expensive, flawed, decaying asset. And his value is more likely to go down than up over time.

Jimbodandy · Dec 11, 2019

Oh yeah. If he asked out, that changes the calculus for sure. Good player relations is smart.

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