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Interesting, I don't see anything specifying which division they will be in.
I'm sure it's still a matter of heated debate and partisanship. I suspect the league will ultimately abandon the geographic division names and instead assign some nondescript monikers (like the Big Ten's "Leaders" & "Legends") or perhaps honor key historical figures in the conference (ex-commissioners Boyd McWhorter, Bernie Moore, Roy Kramer, Martin Conner, Tonto Coleman etc.).

That will be the pretext for an alignment that doesn't maintain strict geographic delineations, but provides the best mix of competitive balance, rivalry protection, and travel minimization.
 

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Interesting, I don't see anything specifying which division they will be in.
Mizzou is going to the East.

Missouri will compete in the SEC's East division, according to Slive, though a cross-division rival in the conference's West division hasn't yet been chosen. The other East schools are Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee and Vanderbilt.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7199062/missouri-tigers-move-sec-official-big-12-hurdles-remain

It's not that weird. One division has the northern and eastern schools, the other has the more southwesterly schools.

You gotta figure the cross-division rival would be Texas A&M.
 

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Mizzou is going to the East.



http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7199062/missouri-tigers-move-sec-official-big-12-hurdles-remain

It's not that weird. One division has the northern and eastern schools, the other has the more southwesterly schools.

You gotta figure the cross-division rival would be Texas A&M.
Yeah, I figured they would be in the East as well, I'm just surprised that it wasn't in the official announcement. I agree that A&M is the obvious cross-division rival, although Arkansas would also make sense geographically.
 

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Let's think about this.

Arkansas would obviously want to play Mizzou instead of SCar
SCar probably doesn't care whether they play Arkansas or Texas A&M
Texas A&M probably would prefer Mizzou because of travel instead of SCar
Would Mizzou rather play TAMU because of recruiting, or Arkansas because of proximity? I'm guessing the former
 

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Let's think about this.

Arkansas would obviously want to play Mizzou instead of SCar
SCar probably doesn't care whether they play Arkansas or Texas A&M
Texas A&M probably would prefer Mizzou because of travel instead of SCar
Would Mizzou rather play TAMU because of recruiting, or Arkansas because of proximity? I'm guessing the former
South Carolina probably wouldn't mind playing TAMU for the recruiting, either. It's a bigger factor for Missouri, of course, but I suspect that South Carolina wouldn't be completely neutral on the subject.
 

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That will be the pretext for an alignment that doesn't maintain strict geographic delineations, but provides the best mix of competitive balance, rivalry protection, and travel minimization.
The SEC is too smart to go down the path of difficult-to-follow alignments like the Big Ten and ACC. I hate cliches but they need to KISS on this one: Keep it simple, stupid.

Ideally, the ACC switches to a North/South alignment when Cuse and Pitt roll in

North - BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, VaTech, Virginia, NC St
South - Duke, North Carolina, Wake, Clemson, GaTech, Florida St, Miami

with yearly crossovers for NC/NCst and BC/Miami
 

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South Carolina probably wouldn't mind playing TAMU for the recruiting, either. It's a bigger factor for Missouri, of course, but I suspect that South Carolina wouldn't be completely neutral on the subject.
That's probably a good call. South Carolina recruits Florida pretty well though. Texas is pretty darn far. And I don't think that many Florida recruits will go to Mizzou, even if they'll play every year.

I'm looking forward to the Abbott and Costello-esque sketch where and South Carolina fan tries to buy a ticket to for a flight to Missouri.
"I need a ticket to Colombia."
"OK where are you flying from?"
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"I thought you were going to Colombia."
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"I'm going to transfer you to my manager."

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The SEC is too smart to go down the path of difficult-to-follow alignments like the Big Ten and ACC. I hate cliches but they need to KISS on this one: Keep it simple, stupid.

Ideally, the ACC switches to a North/South alignment when Cuse and Pitt roll in

North - BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, VaTech, Virginia, NC St
South - Duke, North Carolina, Wake, Clemson, GaTech, Florida St, Miami

with yearly crossovers for NC/NCst and BC/Miami
There's probably still people in the league office who would want to separate FSU and Miami, clinging to that hope of a title game matchup someday. That South division also features (arguably) five of the top six football schools in the conference. I don't expect a radical realignment of the divisions and schedules, at least until UConn and someone else join, which will be soon enough.
 

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Who cares what division they are in. They won't be competitive in either division.
Thoroughly biased Mizzou alum opinion here: their Big 12 conference schedule this year is tougher than the SEC East. Mizzou arguably would have won the SEC East last year, they'd be competitive this year, and they have a lot of key guys back next year.

They're going to surprise people. I think it's powerful to be able to recruit Midwestern kids with the opportunity to stay close to home but compete in by far the country's best conference. Mizzou has never really had a good angle for getting Illinois kids out of Illinois, Iowa kids out of Iowa, etc. Now they will.
 

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In terms of performance, the Big XII has been (and is now) just a shade behind the SEC for years. It's not that great a difference in competition.

I don't think we can understate the fucked-upedness of how the Big XII has been run lately. For Missouri to make a move like this - into a much weaker academic conference with only a slight upgrade in competition (if any) - the mismanagement of the Texas/ESPN money-grab had to have been very serious. Missouri was an original conference member. To me, the loss of Nebraska, Missouri and Texas A&M has been the only real surprise I've seen in all of this conference-jumping.
 

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I don't think we can understate the fucked-upedness of how the Big XII has been run lately. For Missouri to make a move like this - into a much weaker academic conference with only a slight upgrade in competition (if any)...
With the addition of A&M and Missouri, the SEC now has one more AAU schools than the Big 12 (four vs. three). As for the competition, I think an argument could be made that top-to-bottom, the Big 12 is on similar footing as the SEC or perhaps marginally stronger. In terms of elite/above average competition, the SEC will be significantly tougher than the new Big 12 -- A&M in the West is going to get pounded for years. In its own division,Mizzou will face UF and UGA -- comparable to Texas and OU sometimes. So yeah, I think Mizzou's going to have their ass handed to them and get tore up in SEC play vs. their old home.

- the mismanagement of the Texas/ESPN money-grab had to have been very serious.
What do you mean by mismanagement? Texas has what it wants in an unprecendeted contract and exposure for it's third-tier rights. Oklahoma and UT are happy to not have to regularly travel in conference to the West or East Coasts, and the less-well-positioned members, while facing a scare that they'd have to jump to a lesser conference -- keep what actually is a pretty good conference TV/payout deal and some of their rivalries and tradition.

To me, the loss of Nebraska, Missouri and Texas A&M has been the only real surprise I've seen in all of this conference-jumping.
Nebraka left for the Big10... no-brainer -- it may have been a surprise they were offered admission, but absolutely no surprise in taking it. A&M made a panic move in my opinion... moderately surprising.

MIzzou is the big surprise to me -- a marginal to above average yet always underachieving football program since the formation of the Big 12. Good at exploiting Texas recruit rejects that could actually be solid players. Most memorably, seemingly never able to pull it fully together or win the big game. This latter point will be their downfall in the SEC. I don't see their recruiting base expanding, all things equal, and they'll be in an all-out fight every year just to become bowl eligible.

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If the SEC plays nine conference games then the chances of a legit ooc game go down dramatically. Would have to win 10 league games to win bcs. Why would u ever play a road ooc game bs legit opponent?

That sucks
 

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If the SEC plays nine conference games then the chances of a legit ooc game go down dramatically. Would have to win 10 league games to win bcs. Why would u ever play a road ooc game bs legit opponent?

That sucks
I think this is actually the first time I've ever agreed with you on anything on SoSH.

SEC teams would be borderline insane to schedule strong road OOC games with 9 conference games, plus a title game, and stronger OOC programs won't agree to play without home-and-home commitments. 9 SEC games and 3 cupcakes will still make for pretty compelling slates for most of the SEC teams, but it's a downgrade for the schools and fanbases that might otherwise get more exposure to SEC opponents and recruiting territories. Interestingly, I think this has an outsized impact on two schools that have regular rivalry games with tough OOC opponents, namely Georgia (GT), and Florida (FSU). 9 SEC games, 1 tough ACC opponent, and a SEC Title Game, bare minimum, in order to make the BCS Title game. That's rough.
 

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I think this is actually the first time I've ever agreed with you on anything on SoSH.

SEC teams would be borderline insane to schedule strong road OOC games with 9 conference games, plus a title game, and stronger OOC programs won't agree to play without home-and-home commitments. 9 SEC games and 3 cupcakes will still make for pretty compelling slates for most of the SEC teams, but it's a downgrade for the schools and fanbases that might otherwise get more exposure to SEC opponents and recruiting territories. Interestingly, I think this has an outsized impact on two schools that have regular rivalry games with tough OOC opponents, namely Georgia (GT), and Florida (FSU). 9 SEC games, 1 tough ACC opponent, and a SEC Title Game, bare minimum, in order to make the BCS Title game. That's rough.
I wonder if this would cause UGA and Florida to consider re-scheduling their OOC rivalry games to earlier in the season as opposed to the current post-Thanksgiving dates. UGA and Tech discussed moving it to the beginning of the season, at least as a one-off deal, to be played at the Georgia Dome a couple years ago. They couldn't come to an agreement on who would lose the home date.
 

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With the addition of A&M and Missouri, the SEC now has two more AAU schools than the Big 12 (four vs. three). As for the competition, I think an argument could be made that top-to-bottom, the Big 12 is on similar footing as the SEC or perhaps marginally stronger. In terms of elite/above average competition, the SEC will be significantly tougher than the new Big 12 -- A&M in the West is going to get pounded for years. In its own division,Mizzou will face UF and UGA -- comparable to Texas and OU sometimes. So yeah, I think Mizzou's going to have their ass handed to them and get tore up in SEC play vs. their old home.
I tried to do an objective ranking of academics in the FBS a year or so ago. Using that, this is what I've come up with:

Conference 2010 Average Rank 2014 Changes Average Rank
Big Ten 16.2 18.0
Pac 12 27.7 28.9
ACC 29.9 31.1
Big XII 46.4 59.7
Big East 49.3 69.4
SEC 53.2 50.1
Conf. USA 78.7 79.2
Mt. West 82.9 80.0
WAC 88.7 88.2
MAC 91.4 91.4
Sun Belt 107.4 107.4

So you're right. The Big XII's losses and the SEC's gains have reversed their respective academic standing, and by no small amount.

I do think both schools will be competitive on the field, though. It will be a slight drop - maybe instead of being 4-5 in the Big XII, they will be 6-7 in the SEC. This based on recruiting rankings and overall performance the last few years.

What do you mean by mismanagement? Texas has what it wants in an unprecendeted contract and exposure for it's third-tier rights. Oklahoma and UT are happy to not have to regularly travel in conference to the West or East Coasts, and the less-well-positioned members, while facing a scare that they'd have to jump to a lesser conference -- keep what actually is a pretty good conference TV/payout deal and some of their rivalries and tradition.
I'm basing this on the quotes coming out of these universities that are leaving. Worry that the televising of select high school games can give a team a recruiting advantage. Anger that a network can be built, without sharing, of minor sports at one school (as they host teams from your school). The Big Ten got this right - they share this, without attempting to give the bigger draws a bigger share.

Nebraka left for the Big10... no-brainer -- it may have been a surprise they were offered admission, but absolutely no surprise in taking it. A&M made a panic move in my opinion... moderately surprising.

MIzzou is the big surprise to me -- a marginal to above average yet always underachieving football program since the formation of the Big 12. Good at exploiting Texas recruit rejects that could actually be solid players. Most memorably, seemingly never able to pull it fully together or win the big game. This latter point will be their downfall in the SEC. I don't see their recruiting base expanding, all things equal, and they'll be in an all-out fight every year just to become bowl eligible.

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Was it a no-brainer for Nebraska? That was a lot of tradition thrown away. Maybe nothing with Texas, but with their fellow Big 8 schools. And one hell of a rivalry with Oklahoma. I don't think it was a surprise they were offered admission. Keeping to the statement the Big Ten made a few years ago about not including a state that wasn't adjacent to a state in the current league, it was the second-best choice behind Notre Dame. I didn't think anyone would leave the Big XII so it surprised me. My thought was that there were five conferences, not four, that could not lose a member to another conference.
 

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If the SEC plays nine conference games then the chances of a legit ooc game go down dramatically. Would have to win 10 league games to win bcs. Why would u ever play a road ooc game bs legit opponent?

That sucks
Under the current system, it is beyond stupid to schedule any legitimate non-conference opponent. That it still takes place at all is a testimony to tradition.
 

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As conferences move to 9, and I think eventually 10, conference games I'm certain it's just a matter of time before the NCAA allows a 13 game regular season.

I'd be shocked if we don't see that by the end of this decade, if not much sooner.
 

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If the SEC plays nine conference games then the chances of a legit ooc game go down dramatically. Would have to win 10 league games to win bcs. Why would u ever play a road ooc game bs legit opponent?

That sucks
LA Tech, LA Monroe, Ball State, Troy, Florida International and Tennessee-Chattanooga just got some job security.

This will make some of the great recent schedule decisions a memory: No more Auburn-Clemson, Alabama-Penn State (although the Crimson Tide ball boys will be relieved), LSU-Oregon, UGA-Boise (gutsy call by UGA there). I assume South Carolina-Clemson, UGA-GA Tech, UF-FSU will endure because state legislators would get involved otherwise.
 

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That's probably a good call. South Carolina recruits Florida pretty well though. Texas is pretty darn far. And I don't think that many Florida recruits will go to Mizzou, even if they'll play every year.

I'm looking forward to the Abbott and Costello-esque sketch where and South Carolina fan tries to buy a ticket to for a flight to Missouri.
"I need a ticket to Colombia."
"OK where are you flying from?"
"Colombia."
"I thought you were going to Colombia."
"I am going to Colombia."
"I'm going to transfer you to my manager."

Tip your waitress.
This is almost certainly the first time I've ever seen somebody misspell Columbia (as in the places in the U.S.) as Colombia (as in the country in South America), instead of vice versa. :p
 

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As conferences move to 9, and I think eventually 10, conference games I'm certain it's just a matter of time before the NCAA allows a 13 game regular season.

I'd be shocked if we don't see that by the end of this decade, if not much sooner.
I'm pretty stunned by the SEC moving to 9 games, and at first thought it wasn't smart. But I 1-loss SEC teams have been in the NCG over unbeaten teams before, and even a 2-loss SEC team has been in the NCG over a bunch 1-loss teams, so it might not effect them much

I'm all for a 13 game sched, because I want more college football. But the bowls generally want teams that are .500 or better, and there will be a slew of 6-7 teams. They could always change that rule, but it would be more rewarding of mediocrity.
 

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LA Tech, LA Monroe, Ball State, Troy, Florida International and Tennessee-Chattanooga just got some job security.

This will make some of the great recent schedule decisions a memory: No more Auburn-Clemson, Alabama-Penn State (although the Crimson Tide ball boys will be relieved), LSU-Oregon, UGA-Boise (gutsy call by UGA there). I assume South Carolina-Clemson, UGA-GA Tech, UF-FSU will endure because state legislators would get involved otherwise.
I knew I forgot someone, South Carolina - Clemson is another OOC liability on the East side of things that won't change due to tradition.

I suspect you'll see Alabama still choose to curb stomp someone from the Big Ten every now and then, like the upcoming bloodbath in Dallas, but I agree with you on the rest of them. Auburn certainly won't be (or shouldn't be) trying to revive/continue rivalries with GT and Clemson in this new paradigm.
 

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I suspect you'll see Alabama still choose to curb stomp someone from the Big Ten every now and then, like the upcoming bloodbath in Dallas, but I agree with you on the rest of them.
I don't know. You might have to eat those words. This is more the team that solved Florida the year before the problem arrived than the team that allowed Mississippi State to score 1,000 points in about 20 minutes.
 

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There's all kinds of conflicting info on the SEC nine-game schedule

SCar pres says nine games is a go
USC — along with all other SEC schools — will play nine conference football games each year due to Missouri joining the Southeastern Conference, President Harris Pastides said Sunday.

The Gamecocks will face Missouri for the first time next year, as the Tigers were placed in the Eastern Division. The game will be in Columbia — but whether that’s Columbia, Mo., or Columbia, S.C., is still unclear, Pastides said.
SEC PR says nine games is a no
#SEC will continue to play eight conference games in football. There has been no discussions on nine game schedule.
Also, TAMU and Mizzou will be the cross-over
 

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I'm pretty stunned by the SEC moving to 9 games, and at first thought it wasn't smart. But I 1-loss SEC teams have been in the NCG over unbeaten teams before, and even a 2-loss SEC team has been in the NCG over a bunch 1-loss teams, so it might not effect them much

I'm all for a 13 game sched, because I want more college football. But the bowls generally want teams that are .500 or better, and there will be a slew of 6-7 teams. They could always change that rule, but it would be more rewarding of mediocrity.
13 game schedule would result in more padded shitty chattanooga games, so 7-6 won't be as hard to get as you'd think. Teams 3-6 in conference getting bowl games. Awesome!
 

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Well, now we know the fifth western team the Big East has in its sights, though it would still leave them short of a balanced divisional alignment:

Big East courting BYU

The Big East is trying to create a West Division as it tries to re-invent itself following the departures of Pitt, Syracuse, TCU and West Virginia. Boise State has expressed an interest in joining as a football-only member, but only if there is a West Division in order to help ease travel.

BYU is in its first season as an independent after leaving the Mountain West, and would be interested in joining any league that has an automatic qualifying spot into the BCS. As an independent, the only way BYU can get into the BCS is with an at-large selection.

"There is a push and there are conversations that are in place for the Big East to convince or to have BYU join that conference," Mendenhall said during his weekly press conference in Provo, Utah. "I trust our athletic director (Tom Holmoe) and president (Cecil) Samuelson to deal with all of that. I have been informed along the way. At some point there will be a decision with what our intentions will be. I don't know how fast nor do I think a time frame is relevant at this point."

One of the biggest questions is whether the Big East would retain that AQ spot after this cycle ends.

"With the landscape changing, the main benefit I can see on a short-term scale would be inclusion to the BCS system," Mendenhall said. "That is up in two years and whether the Big East can hold that spot with the new teams going in, my guess would be yes. I can't speak as to what we are going to do other than just to verify we have been approached. I wasn't involved in anything else."

BYU has a unique set-up because it has its own television network, BYUtv, in which it airs all its football games, either live or on replay. That will be something that has to be addressed should conversations grow more in-depth.
 

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13 game schedule would result in more padded shitty chattanooga games, so 7-6 won't be as hard to get as you'd think. Teams 3-6 in conference getting bowl games. Awesome!
Bowls haven't been about "rewarding" good teams for many years now. They're just excuses for the local Chamber of Commerce to put on a show for a few days, and for TV nets to sell advertising for a meaningless game people watch because this country is obsessed with football.

Hell, for ~60% of FBS teams we already have a 13 game season since everyone with a pulse gets into a bowl now. What's funny is that before long we'll have a 13 game regular season, conference championships and bowl games, so you'll have 15-20 teams playing 15 game seasons.

Remember when college Presidents told us that having even a 4-team playoff was unacceptable to "student athletes" because that might mean they'd be playing 13 game seasons? So awesome.
 

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With the recruiting violations at UCF possibly taking them out of the Big East picture, I'm curious what other options the league might pursue.

One idea pulled out of my ass: Go after Tulsa instead, with Boise, BYU, Air Force, SMU and Houston rounding out a 6-team west division. Navy would then be the only addition to the 5 current teams in the east.

I haven't looked into Tulsa's academics, but their football program is 59-29 since 2005 under three different coaches, most recently Bill Blankenship. Their hoops team has typically been above-average to dominant among mid-majors the last 30 years, and seems like a good fit. However, Tulsa has also been the most vocal C-USA school amid all the Houston/SMU-->BE rumors, imploring both schools to remain in their current conference.
 

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With the recruiting violations at UCF possibly taking them out of the Big East picture, I'm curious what other options the league might pursue.

One idea pulled out of my ass: Go after Tulsa instead, with Boise, BYU, Air Force, SMU and Houston rounding out a 6-team west division. Navy would then be the only addition to the 5 current teams in the east.

I haven't looked into Tulsa's academics, but their football program is 59-29 since 2005 under three different coaches, most recently Bill Blankenship. Their hoops team has typically been above-average to dominant among mid-majors the last 30 years, and seems like a good fit. However, Tulsa has also been the most vocal C-USA school amid all the Houston/SMU-->BE rumors, imploring both schools to remain in their current conference.
Seriously, how completely screwed up is college football when the Big East has a "west" division comprised of Tulsa, Boise St., BYU, Air Force, SMU, and Houston? This is the Big *EAST* we are talking about.

Then again, we have 10 teams in the Big 12, and 12 teams in the Big 10. So I guess conference names are completely immaterial. Maybe we'll end up with the University of Hawaii in the Atlantic Coast Conference at some point.
 

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Seriously, how completely screwed up is college football when the Big East has a "west" division comprised of Tulsa, Boise St., BYU, Air Force, SMU, and Houston? This is the Big *EAST* we are talking about.

Then again, we have 10 teams in the Big 12, and 12 teams in the Big 10. So I guess conference names are completely immaterial. Maybe we'll end up with the University of Hawaii in the Atlantic Coast Conference at some point.

What, you don't like the idea of a "Big East-West" Division?

I'd be shocked if the Big East hasn't reached out to Hawaii yet.
 

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What, you don't like the idea of a "Big East-West" Division?

I'd be shocked if the Big East hasn't reached out to Hawaii yet.
It is amazing how quickly the Big East turned into Conference USA. And the real Conference USA, surveying the lineup of football programs in the proposed Big Westish East, would have a case for an automatic BCS bid.
 

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An interesting article quoting the Acting Texas Conference Commish on a potentially huge change in the BCS that would have a major impact on all of this Realignment:

Big12 Commish Senses Big Change in BCS

There is growing support toward eliminating automatic qualifier status in the next evolution of college football’s postseason according to Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas.

The concept has been discussed informally among the game’s power brokers and would represent a fundamental shift in the way the sport’s postseason is administrated. Neinas supports the change because he said eliminating the so-called “AQ” status would slow or stop conference realignment.

“I think there is growing sentiment to eliminate the automatic qualification part of the BCS,” Neinas told CBSSports.com this week. “You can see what’s happening. They [conferences] are gerrymandering all over the place under the intent to maintain an automatic qualification. History has shown you don’t need that if you are qualified.”

Removing AQ status would, in part, continue to benefit the power conferences who are currently bound by a two-team limit in the BCS. But it would also allow so-called non-AQs a more consistent, fair entry into the BCS. No changes would take effect until the 2014 season.
The obvious problem with this would be conferences like the Big East going from being an AQ conference to a conference with no BCS representation whatsoever most years, even if they don't lose members to the ACC and Big12.

It’s not clear how much support there among commissioners. It would seem that at least the ACC and Big East would be against change. The ACC champion has finished out of the top 10 three of the last four seasons. Both leagues failed to have a team in the top 10 team at the end of last season.
The money shot with regards to conference realignment, although I think they made a glaring mistake in the article:

“The point is, then you wouldn’t have this effort to cobble together a conference for the purpose of automatic qualification.”

Neinas also said he senses “strong sentiment” for conferences to remain with current membership until 2013. That would mean Syracuse and Pittsburgh would remain in the ACC, Missouri and Texas A&M would remain in the Big 12 and West Virginia and TCU would remain in the Big East.
They must mean Syracuse and Pitt remaining in the Big East, not the ACC. It's an interesting potential twist.
 

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Neinas has been pretty full of shit every time he opens his mouth ever since they dragged him out of retirement. He'll say pretty much whatever it takes to sell the Big XII as awesome and healthy. Not putting much stock in those quotes without additional evidence.
 

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They must mean Syracuse and Pitt remaining in the Big East, not the ACC. It's an interesting potential twist.

Well it is certainly likely that when the BCS gets renewed (assuming it gets renewed and not somehow replaced) that the rules will be different than they have been.

I don't think they'll go to the extreme of teams having to be top 10, but some sort of system to more fairly make sure a team outside the top 20 doesn't get a bid.

In terms of Cuse and Pitt, they are contractually obligated to stay in the Big east until 2013, so there is nothing different there. Now maybe somehow they break the contract, or it just goes away entirely and they can move earlier
 

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BYU to the Big East, sooner than later, according to the Salt Lake Tribune ...

@drewjay, Source familiar with negotiations from Big East side of things said BYU to Big East could happen "sooner rather than later." Football only.

@drewjay, Sources say BYU and Big East are working out a few last-minute details, mainly in regards to, you guessed it, BYU's television contracts.

@drewjay, One of the hangups regarding Big East expansion, according to source, is getting schools to agree on when/how to make the announcement.
 

Clears Cleaver

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If the Big East "leadership" had secured TCU, UHouston, UCF, Boise and BYU before the year started, they'd have the TV deal they'd wanted and kept Pitt and Syracuse

Its amazing the stupidty of this all

And its clear the SEC is going to go to 16 and likely will take an ACC team (Clemson, FSU, MD, etc) and the Big 10 will expand again, meaning this whole thing will be repeated
 

canderson

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My friend is a writer for AP and working on a story right now that Texas and A&M won't play for at least 10 years after this Thanksgiving.

As a UT alumni, I couldn't really care less. But another extremely long rivalry (moreso for the Aggies) kiled by realignment it appears.
 

Clears Cleaver

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so the latest (from multiple media members) seems to be that the ACC is definitely going to 16 teams and they've begun negotiations with ND. Rutgers and Uconn are the two teams in waiting.

BYU to the Big East is not dead, but they didn't want to give up their TV deal and like everyone else (AFA, Boise, etc) they are all waiting to see what happens with RU/UConn/Louisville. The big 12 is likely going to expand and Louisville/Rutgers and cincy have been mentioned. The SEC is likely not done and FSU/MD/any other ACC school are on the radar.

Fun!
 

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Does all of this come to a crashing halt if the BCS does what was rumored last week, and that is only sanction the BCS Champiosnhip game and let the other bowls get their own affiliations. In other words, there would be no AQ and the BCS would pay $25M to the two schools in its champiosnhip game, the #1 and #2 ranked treams in the country at the end of the year. That way, whetehr or not you were in the ACC, Big 12 or MWC, if you ran the table and the weigted polls put you at #1 or #2 on the first Monday afte the First Sunday in December, you got the invite. Would it really matter what conferencen you were in? And would all this musical chair crap top?? Maybe it would.
 

Clears Cleaver

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the musical chari crap is all about television deals and making sure that the conferences have enough teams to prevent lawsuits. Which is why you have four conferences of 16 and a super conference of the leftovers or five conferences of 12-16
 

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BYU tells Big East to fuck off

Negotiations between the rebuilding conference and BYU have broken off, a person familiar with the talks told The Associated Press. The person spoke Tuesday on condition of anonymity because the conference and school have not been making their talks public.

"BYU to the Big East is dead. It's not going to happen," the person said.

BYU athletic department spokesman Brett Pyne said in an email that school officials declined a request for comment.

The Big East was trying to add BYU as part of its plan to become a 12-team football league.

The deal-breaker was television rights. The person says BYU wanted to retain the rights to its home football games and the league could not agree to that.

No other school in a major conference has such a deal.
Now that BYU is off the table, the Big East will move on to other schools.

Temple, which plays in the Mid-American Conference and was once in the Big East, has been trying to get back in. East Carolina, another C-USA school, publicly announced it had applied for membership, and C-USA rival Memphis has also been pushed by some in the Big East for its excellent basketball program, most notably Louisville coach Rick Pitino.

But Boise State, which is nearly 1,900 miles away from the closest current Big East member -- Louisville -- would prefer the Big East bulk up its new western division. Provo is 382 miles from Boise, Idaho.

CBSSports.com reported Tuesday that San Diego State of the Mountain West is the Big East's next western target.

San Diego State Athletic Director Jim Sterk told The San Diego Union-Tribune through a spokesman on Tuesday that there was nothing new regarding the Big East, but the school did have preliminary discussions with the conference several weeks ago.