I think Pasta is better, so I think right around that number. Maybe a tad lower since Drai is a C.
That would be an unprecedented offer from the Bruins. Makes me nervous.I think Pasta is better, so I think right around that number. Maybe a tad lower since Drai is a C.
Yeah, I was going to post something snarky along the lines of "another team that doesn't have Adam McQuaid taking up cap space".... but I think you did a better job of expressing my thoughts.That would be an unprecedented offer from the Bruins. Makes me nervous.
I think they should pay him a little less than Draisatl. Maybe 500k because he doesn't play center. But if that's the market it is what it is. They still definitely should not trade him. Let him hold out if he wants to.8.5AAV is tough on Draisatl. I don't think the Bruins want to get near that, and there is already chatter of them not wanting to pay Pasta more than Marchand, and Marchand makes $2m less per year than Draisatl.
This looks ominous to me. I have no faith the Bruins sign him, but if you're Pasta aren't you asking for at least $8m per year? I don't see the Bruins paying him that much more than Marchand and Bergeron. Color me pessimistic, but I am not hopeful here.
They've budgeted cap space for a large number like this and have publicly indicated their desire to sign him to a long-term deal. I think it gets done. The Sweeney front office is a lot of things, but they've been truthful when talking about player transactions.8.5AAV is tough on Draisatl. I don't think the Bruins want to get near that, and there is already chatter of them not wanting to pay Pasta more than Marchand, and Marchand makes $2m less per year than Draisatl.
This looks ominous to me. I have no faith the Bruins sign him, but if you're Pasta aren't you asking for at least $8m per year? I don't see the Bruins paying him that much more than Marchand and Bergeron. Color me pessimistic, but I am not hopeful here.
Yeah, but my sense is they want him around $6m AAV and that's a fantasy that isn't going to happen. They need him on this team. He's the type of player you sign long term, and they absolutely should pay him what he wants.They've budgeted cap space for a large number like this and have publicly indicated their desire to sign him to a long-term deal. I think it gets done. The Sweeney front office is a lot of things, but they've been truthful when talking about player transactions.
Love this pickup by them. Gives them a right shot dman in providence. He plays a physical game which the Bruins organizations love and he can skate with the puck.Mark Divver @MarkDivver 42m42 minutes ago
Rugged @QU_MIH defenseman Connor Clifton signs AHL contract with Providence. Arizona 5th round in 2013 opted for free agency
That is well put. I'm nervous but I'm not hammering the Anders Bjork panic button just yet.Sweeney said back around the draft/UFA that they would like to enter the season with ~$3 million in cap space. They've got $10.1 million now, so it would seem their plan was $7+ million for Pastrnak, which puts him in Krejci's land as their top paid player by cap hit.
It's fair to be anxious until pen is put to paper, but I think they're lined up to make it work. Sweeney's best work as GM has been getting his own players under contract. They've got around a month to sort this thing out. They should make it happen. If they don't, we're truly fucked.
Puck Daddy had an interesting stat about the B's:
In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.
In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.
In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.
In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.
In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.
In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.
They have a recent history of trading good young players for less than their value. Admittedly, the last 5 of those are all on now-departed Chiarelli's plate, but I really hope Sweeney breaks this trend. Pastrnak is a top-20 scorer in this league and will remain so for a while. Teams NEED those assets, not to get rid of them.
The Wheeler trade also brought them a Cup too, so I'm not lamenting that one.The Kessel trade was not for less than value. Subsequent moves have lessened the overall impact to the Bruins but the value they got for Kessel was amazing. Shockingly, Ryan Lambert's a dumbass and unable to figure that out.
These are kind of lazy comparables to the Pastrnak situation, but I get why it gets brought up.Puck Daddy had an interesting stat about the B's:
In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.
In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.
In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.
In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.
In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.
In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.
They have a recent history of trading good young players for less than their value. Admittedly, the last 5 of those are all on now-departed Chiarelli's plate, but I really hope Sweeney breaks this trend. Pastrnak is a top-20 scorer in this league and will remain so for a while. Teams NEED those assets, not to get rid of them.
How does age affect AAV in this context? Would the Bruins expect to pay more for an 8 year deal? Otherwise, 6, $36 feels like quite the lowball.Bruins offer to Pastrnak was 6 years, $36m, per the Herald.
I mean, I like being right, but in this instance I hate it. They are exactly where I expected them to be, and if they think they are getting him for that then they are stoned out of their minds on (now legal) weed. If I'm Pasta, I am looking for at a minimum $7.5 with the Draisaitl contract, and I just don't know if the Bruins will go there considering what they pay Bergeron, Marchand et al.
Chia has never been afraid to spend! They have to go over 7/yr now. 8/60 makes the most sense. If Pasta really wants 8+, just give it to him on a 2 or 3 year deal.It probably goes higher since they buy UFA years.
I don't think 6/$36 million is a lowball. That was market rate. It's a reasonable number based on some other recent contracts. Then McDavid, Johansen and Draisaitl happened. They need to re-adjust to the market.
Chiarelli didn't trade Dougie Hamilton. Sweeney/Neely did. They've already continued the trend.Puck Daddy had an interesting stat about the B's:
In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.
In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.
In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.
In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.
In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.
In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.
They have a recent history of trading good young players for less than their value. Admittedly, the last 5 of those are all on now-departed Chiarelli's plate, but I really hope Sweeney breaks this trend. Pastrnak is a top-20 scorer in this league and will remain so for a while. Teams NEED those assets, not to get rid of them.
Wesley had a nice career, but it definitely was not a draw:As an old timer I'd add Bellows in1982, McCrimmon in 1982, Pederson in 1985, and 1991 Wesley to list of the young, uppity players who felt they were worth more and so needed to be traded. Pederson (for Neely and Wesley) worked out, and Wesley (for first rounders) maybe a draw.
[*]Boston trades Wesley to the Hartford Whalers in 1994 for three first round picks: 1995 (Kyle McLaren), 1996 (Johnathan Aitken) and 1997 (Sergei Samsonov).
[*]They then traded McLaren with their 2004 fourth rounder (Torrey Mitchell) to the San Jose Sharks in 2003 for Jeff Hackett and Jeff Jillson.
[*]Samsonov qualified as Joe Thornton’s first great running mate/beneficiary, but they eventually traded him to the Edmonton Oilers for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and the Oilers’ second round pick in ’06, which ended up being … Milan Lucic. (Yup, that’s right, the Bruins found their closest heir to Neely thanks to the Neely trade. Yikes.)
[*]The Bruins turned Jeff Jillson into Brad Boyes (from San Jose in ’04) and then Boyes to Dennis Wideman (from the St. Louis Blues in ’07) .
[*]Wideman was eventually traded with Boston’s 2010 first round pick (Derek Fortbort) to the Florida Panthers for Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell before the ’10 draft.
[*]Lucic was traded to the Los Angeles Kings for goalie Martin Jones, defenseman Colin Miller, and a 2015 first-round pick, which they used to draft defenseman Jakob Zboril. The team eventually traded Jones to the San Jose Sharks for a 2016 first-round pick and center prospect Sean Kuraly.
Bellows was never traded; he was never on the Bruins. Sinden decided to Kluzak the top pick in the 1982 draft, letting Bellows go to Minnesota.As an old timer I'd add Bellows in1982, McCrimmon in 1982, Pederson in 1985, and 1991 Wesley to list of the young, uppity players who felt they were worth more and so needed to be traded. Pederson (for Neely and Wesley) worked out, and Wesley (for first rounders) maybe a draw.
Well, no need to flip the first and second picks, and Boston got Brad Palmer and Dave Donnelly for not drafting him. And Bellows' ask was the reason. As Will McDonough wrote that morning:Bellows was never traded; he was never on the Bruins. Sinden decided to Kluzak the top pick in the 1982 draft, letting Bellows go to Minnesota.
Perhaps the nail in the Bellows-to-Boston coffin came out of a story written by Francis Rosa in The Globe out of the league meetings in Florida. In it, Eaglesonsaid Boston couldn't afford Bellows because he would be asking for $500,000 over three years, and if Sinden had to pay this to sign him, Bruin owner Jerry Jacobs would fire him.
Of course this was pure nonsense. But it gave Sinden the opening to talk with Bellows on the phone, asking him if he agreed with what Eagleson had to say. Bellows, in effect, answered that Bellows took care of Bellows on the ice and Eagleson took care of Bellows off the ice. Not once in the conversation did Bellows ever say or indicate that he would like to play with the Boston Bruins.
After this conversation, Sinden turned his guns on making a deal with Minnesota.
Also, Pasta has no bargaining power. What's he going to do, sit out?It probably goes higher since they buy UFA years.
I don't think 6/$36 million is a lowball. That was market rate. It's a reasonable number based on some other recent contracts. Then McDavid, Johansen and Draisaitl happened. They need to re-adjust to the market.
Guess we are counting on Zboril to keep it going...Wesley had a nice career, but it definitely was not a draw:
http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2011/06/01/bruins-continue-to-reap-rewards-of-cam-neely-trade-with-vancouver-25-years-later/
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/06/30-years-later-cam-neely-trade-tree-continues-to-grow-thanks-to-neely-himself/