They have turned inning-ending DPs the last three innings now.Good freaking God--the defense of this Puerto Rican team is freaking amazing.
They have turned inning-ending DPs the last three innings now.Good freaking God--the defense of this Puerto Rican team is freaking amazing.
They really ought to have pitch-count limits rather than inning limits.3-3 after 9, Kenley Jansen looked in midseason form.
It's gimmicky for a bunch of reasons, single-elimination baseball is bad enough without short pitch counts and automatic runners on base to start the 11th. Are you a fan of the coin flip wild card game? This isn't quite single elimination throughout but it's not far off.This is every bit as emotional and exciting as any game you're likely to see in October. People who bitch and moan about this tournament suck.
It has been suggested to cut to a final four in March and then replace the All-Star Game every four years with a series of games to decide the title.The question for me, is there ever a time of year when they could run a true world tournament, with players stretched out and all hands on deck?
Maybe October-November.
I guess that might work. It appears only the NHL has to amend it's season to accommodate a proper international tournament, in North America at least. Soccer has to make a few concessions for summer tournaments.It has been suggested to cut to a final four in March and then replace the All-Star Game every four years with a series of games to decide the title.
I've seen that idea floated a bit too. My problem with it is all the momentum that has been built up through the earlier phases of the tournament is lost (both in terms of team bonding/harmony/unity, and fan/media interest). And then players, fans etc have to suddenly reinvest themselves into it with just three games several months later after everyone has forgotten about what happened earlier.It has been suggested to cut to a final four in March and then replace the All-Star Game every four years with a series of games to decide the title.
He also referred to Roberto Clemente as the penultimate PR player.I fell asleep in the 8th, but that was SO entertaining. The WBC is the best.
Highlight of the night for me -- top half of the first inning excluded -- was Vasgersian wondering why the Taiwanese professional league is named the Chinese Professional Baseball League.
Thank god you don't work for FIFA.Winner of the WBC should get to appoint the Sec-Gen of the United Nations
Final Four get automatic seats on the Security Council.
This time it REALLY counts.
None of those rules are gimmicks. They're there to address concerns of MLB clubs. They all suck, but they're all a result of having the thing during spring training.It's gimmicky for a bunch of reasons, single-elimination baseball is bad enough without short pitch counts and automatic runners on base to start the 11th. Are you a fan of the coin flip wild card game? This isn't quite single elimination throughout but it's not far off.
Anyway, I'm watching and enjoying, but it is really gimmicky.
Yes, I'm aware and I'm not saying any of them should be changed, but the end result is very gimmicky baseball.None of those rules are gimmicks. They're there to address concerns of MLB clubs. They all suck, but they're all a result of having the thing during spring training.
If you watched last night's game - and I have every reason to think you did - and you saw both of those teams playing their asses off as I did, and how much they cared about this event, and you think that end result was "gimmicky", I don't know what to tell you. I suppose a lot of people still think the DH, now 44 years old, is "gimmicky baseball". I'd say just because they have to change pitchers out more often than they'd like and not play best-of-7 series it doesn't make it any less compelling to watch. Both teams had bases-loaded, 1 out last night - Netherlands hit into a DP, whereas PR hit a sac fly that resulted in a play at the plate for the walk-off win.Yes, I'm aware and I'm not saying any of them should be changed, but the end result is very gimmicky baseball.
Wish I did, I'd be retired on an island somewhere.Thank god you don't work for FIFA.
That's contradictory. Rules that are there for very good reason are, by definition, not gimmicks.Yes, I'm aware and I'm not saying any of them should be changed, but the end result is very gimmicky baseball.
For a very good reason to support the nature of the sporting contest, sure. But these rules are in place to support the business interests of clubs who aren't participating in the competition. They are "unnatural" limitations on the game.That's contradictory. Rules that are there for very good reason are, by definition, not gimmicks.
I mean, the end result was definitely gimmicky, even more than a shootout in hockey or soccer. The game itself was intense, but artificially intense to an extent, a bit like the coin flip wild card game. Baseball isn't meant to be determined in single elimination games, even seven game series aren't really ideal. It's a long haul sport, more than any other, but you guys know all this.If you watched last night's game - and I have every reason to think you did - and you saw both of those teams playing their asses off as I did, and how much they cared about this event, and you think that end result was "gimmicky", I don't know what to tell you.
You're begging the question with the bolded. Baseball at the professional level in America has been designed to be a long haul sport, but there is nothing inherent in the game itself that makes it so, and in fact, it is not a long haul game in many other settings.I mean, the end result was definitely gimmicky, even more than a shootout in hockey or soccer. The game itself was intense, but artificially intense to an extent, a bit like the coin flip wild card game. Baseball isn't meant to be determined in single elimination games, even seven game series aren't really ideal. It's a long haul sport, more than any other, but you guys know all this.
I don't know why people have to pretend this is something it isn't, it's entertaining in its own way, but honestly I'd rather watch almost any regular season AL game over these games (and I have watched a lot of it, because that is just how bored I am with the NBA right now). You don't agree, that's fine, enjoy.
OK, that's a fair point, but most of those are the culmination of a season where the players have physically and mentally prepared themselves to peak at the end. When you couple the unnaturalness of intense baseball at this point in the yearly cycle for most of these guys with the other factors I mentioned earlier, it's hard for me to take too seriously. Again, just my perspective.There are countless examples of baseball competitions that are not long haul events: the Colllege World Series, Koshien, the Caribbean Series, the MLB playoffs, and literally every single amateur baseball competition in North America. The fact that these competitions are played with different formats that create different incentives and strategic choices does not make them illegitimate, it makes them different. It's perfectly acceptable to say that you don't like the differences, but it's another thing altogether to say that because it's not your preferred format, then the entire exercise is inherently less valuable.
It's a tournament. Every tournament is a gimmick. March Madness is a gimmick. The CFB playoffs is a gimmick. The fact that half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs is a gimmick. The NFL playoffs, a single elimination tournament, is a gimmick. The World Cup is a gimmick. The Olympics are a complete gimmick.OK, that's a fair point, but most of those are the culmination of a season where the players have physically and mentally prepared themselves to peak at the end. When you couple the unnaturalness of intense baseball at this point in the yearly cycle for most of these guys with the other factors I mentioned earlier, it's hard for me to take too seriously. Again, just my perspective.
Hey now, the Romans were ahead of their times. Gladiatorial combat kept it real-er. Too bad modern audiences don't have the stomach for it.As someone noted above, sports are a gimmick.
This is actually probably the weakest team Samurai Japan has ever fielded in the WBC. In each of the past three tourneys they've been stocked with genuine aces (Dice-K, Darvish, Tanaka, etc.) but Shohei Otani, who is easiily Japan's best pitcher right now (in addition to being the the most exciting freaking player on the planet by virtue of being a two-way player who also hits 20+ homers), is out with an injury. Sugano is an excellent pitcher in his own right, but he's just not at Otani's level.Any predictions for tonight? I haven't had a chance to watch any of Japan's games but imagine they're going to be very tough to beat.
It never rains in CaliforniaIt's raining in L.A. That's not right.
I would disagree. I think the fact that we all expect the best teams to lose more than a third of their games--even to some of the worst teams--is in fact, something inherent in the game itself that makes it a long haul game.You're begging the question with the bolded. Baseball at the professional level in America has been designed to be a long haul sport, but there is nothing inherent in the game itself that makes it so, and in fact, it is not a long haul game in many other settings.
I think a lot. Californians don't prefer to sit in rain.Wish the crowd was bigger. Wonder how much the rain is keeping people away.
I'm guessing the crowd last night was better? I didn't get to watchI think a lot. Californians don't prefer to sit in rain.
I've been wondering about this. Does Japan think this is their best team or are their US ML players hampered from participating the same way that the USA players are? To put it another way, are Tanaka, Ichiro, Koji, Maeda, and other Japanese ML players not there because they themselves or their ML team choose that they not be or are they not good enough compared to those are are there?This is actually probably the weakest team Samurai Japan has ever fielded in the WBC. In each of the past three tourneys they've been stocked with genuine aces (Dice-K, Darvish, Tanaka, etc.) but Shohei Otani, who is easiily Japan's best pitcher right now (in addition to being the the most exciting freaking player on the planet by virtue of being a two-way player who also hits 20+ homers), is out with an injury. Sugano is an excellent pitcher in his own right, but he's just not at Otani's level.
Having said that, they are (as usual) the most prepared team in the field, having been training for this since January. These guys are already in peak form.
We expect the best teams to lose a third of their games in the long haul system we have designed for professional baseball in America. But here's a thought experiment: if, instead of playing everyday for 6 months, MLB teams played only on Sundays, using only one starting pitcher all season long, and playing balls to the wall for every single out, what types of winning percentages would we see? Would the Clayton Kershaw led Dodgers still win only 56% of their games? Would the Christian Friedrich (?) led Padres still manage to win as much as 42% of their games? That was my point with the 2006 Cuban anecdote above--they created a completely different style of play because they focused on winning short tournaments instead of winning 100 games.I would disagree. I think the fact that we all expect the best teams to lose more than a third of their games--even to some of the worst teams--is in fact, something inherent in the game itself that makes it a long haul game.
Do we really think the Netherlands is that much better than Korea?
Lots of Puerto Rico chants last night.I'm guessing the crowd last night was better? I didn't get to watch
I'll defer to Tokyo Sox, but I think Darvish, Tanaka, Koji, and Maeda are all certainly still deserving of being on this team. Ichiro might not be anymore, sadly.I've been wondering about this. Does Japan think this is their best team or are their US ML players hampered from participating the same way that the USA players are? To put it another way, are Tanaka, Ichiro, Koji, Maeda, and other Japanese ML players not there because they themselves or their ML team choose that they not be or are they not good enough compared to those are are there?
Stanton might have played that HR ball better, might have caught it. Cutch took a torturous route to the ball if you ever saw one.Can someone explain why McCutchen is getting so much playing time? Would much rather see Stanton RF and Goldy DH than McCutchen RF and Stanton DH.