So WTF was NFLPA thinking not bringing in a hired gun for this? Sounds like they just handed Brady a 4 game unpaid vacation.
No deadline. They probably will be mindful of the need to get something out reasonably promptly as the offseason progresses.Apologies, because I know this has likely been answered already, but when do we expect to see a decision on this? Is there a scheduled date or do the judges have as much time as they want?
There is no chance the Second Circuit would rehear the appeal after the panel decision issues.So when it's done here (either way) it's done?
Like, can we hope to hear an interview with Brady after this? I assume he won't say anything if he wins, but if he loses….
He doesn't care about the math. Brady did it, his mind was made up a long time agoHow the fuck does Judge Chin come up with the compelling/overwhelming evidence of tampering bullshit?
Apologies in advance but did Brady get the only Chinese guy who sucked in math?
Raises hand. I’m 100% over and done with the sport once Brady retires. Done.No, they will just let the owners take more $$ from the pool. This is exactly what the owners want - the players now have to negotiate something they never should have had to, in exchange for $$. It is sickening, frankly. Just another reason why a lot of people are likely done with the NFL in the not so distant future.
No one is unloading. Kraft wants to keep his place in this disgusting league, so he will remain meekly silent until the next time the league concocts an excuse to punish his team severely, which he will again meekly accept. Brady has nothing to gain by going ballistic.I really hope, if the worst case scenario comes true, that Brady/Kraft/someone from the NEP organization unloads. What's left to lose?
We might get something strong from Tom or the NFLPA if Tom loses. But I don't think we'll get the level of fire and brimstone that will satisfy most fans. Even in defeat, Tom will likely want to be gracious and minimize rather than fan the fire. At this point, the most I could see Kraft doing is issuing a statement or making one that reiterates his support for Tom and belief that the result is completely unjust.My son had ESPN on when I got home (I have long since stopped watching) and I got to hear Sal Pal, almost gleefully, repeating the Chin comment about there being overwhelming evidence of tampering.
I really hope, if the worst case scenario comes true, that Brady/Kraft/someone from the NEP organization unloads. What's left to lose?
"Severely" is an understatement. With the Pats established now as serial violators, the next penalty will involve a quantum leap in discipline.No one is unloading. Kraft wants to keep his place in this disgusting league, so he will remain meekly silent until the next time the league concocts an excuse to punish his team severely, which he will again meekly accept. Brady has nothing to gain by going ballistic.
It was good that they won in 2015, because at this point who the fuck knows.
Never, or at least until the team stinks long enough for the haters to stop caring, which is why (for the sake of Jonathan) Bob Kraft needed to go atomic porcupine on the NFL for this fiasco.Does that serial violators tag expire when Brady retires? Belichick retires? Kraft dies? Never?
Gee, seeing as we don't even have the transcript of the oral argument yet, that's not an overreaction at all. Do you have to handle your takes with oven mitts when they're this hot?Welp, sounds like our legal system is as much of a clownshow these days as our political system.
I'm not sure we'll ever hear Brady speak at length about DFG, no matter the outcome. He's already testified under oath about all the relevant parts.So when it's done here (either way) it's done?
Like, can we hope to hear an interview with Brady after this? I assume he won't say anything if he wins, but if he loses….
I was surprised at first too, but then remembered a recently departed Supreme Court Justice's reported scorn for science.Chin's comments are unfortunate on a number of different levels, though maybe he was role-playing. I'm more concerned for humanity when someone with such credentials can't accept elementary science.
He was referring to Chin's quote about the overwhelming evidence of tampering which has been quoted by multiple media members in the room.Gee, seeing as we don't even have the transcript of the oral argument yet, that's not an overreaction at all. Do you have to handle your takes with oven mitts when they're this hot?
Considering he's quite possibly not considering the full context of that quote, I think it might be a little early to damn the entirety of the US justice system.He was referring to Chin's quote about the overwhelming evidence of tampering which has been quoted by multiple media members in the room.
A bit odd that the judges are taking pains to say Goodell's procedure wasn't a judicial one, but then interpret the destruction of the phone along the lines that a judicial procedure would.
Yes, but the remarks and questions from the judges, Parker and Chin, were pretty stunning too. They read like something you'd expect from Jets fans on an ESPN comments board.BTW, color me stunned by Kessler's comment that RR and dcmissile are currently discussing in the legal thread. While Kessler must have been frustrated with the way yesterday's arguments went... JFC! Have a goddamn filter. Remarks like that make Kessler look like he was out of his depth.
Okay. I'll bite. Considering that the Ideal Gas Law entirely explains the balls' psi levels, what compelling circumstantial evidence is there of tampering?Right, but remember that even circumstantial evidence can be compelling. You can convict someone of murder without direct evidence.
Brady destroyed his phone! We will never know the truth!Okay. I'll bite. Considering that the Ideal Gas Law entirely explains the balls' psi levels, what compelling circumstantial evidence is there of tampering?
Seems to me there's much more compelling evidence of NFL bias -- disregarding Walt Anderson's memory of which gauge he used -- and even fraud -- leaking false psi numbers to the media and Exponent's photographic trickery with the needles. Not to mention Goodell lying about Brady's testimony and Clement repeating it to the court.
That's depressing. Basically, you're saying that the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit is like junior high. Paul Weiss and his buddies are the "cool kids" and "doing science" is simply someone using big words like "statistical variance" and writing numbers and funny symbols on paper.As to why Chin finds the evidence compelling if not overwhelming. Go back earlier in this thread and you have nearly every attorney ballwashing Paul Weiss when it was announced that his firm would be running the NFL's investigation and would produce a report. And everyone thought Exponent was a well regarded firm when it came to performing scientific analysis of complex data. On this forum, both reputations have since been shattered utterly and completely. But this forum does not represent the legal community at large, and the fact that Exponent "did science" is more than enough for scientifically incompetent judges to be swayed.
Sure, but they all live in NY, read The New York Times and like to at least pretend to be smart. Joe Nocera's takedown of the NFL was hard to miss and pretty convincing.I respect judges, but they are human. I find it completely plausible that one of them, after a full year of constant media bombardment about the Patriots and deflategate (in NYC, no less), has kind of just made up his mind (as 95% of the US population has). You live in an echo chamber with that stuff, and since the matter won't be decided on whether or not the balls were actually deflated, Chin has no motivation to dig into it. I mean, judges read the papers and yak around the water cooler, too, but that's not the stuff that this case is being decided on.
The schedule will usually come out in early to mid-April.Going back to Stich's "whelp" post -- anyone know when the schedules are finalized?
I'm not jumping the gun, but resigning myself to 4 games of Jimmy G. And my hope is the League doesn't brutalize us right out of the chute.
Pretty soon, they have to decide who travels when and where, right?
April 21st, 2016 is this year's release date. ESPN airs the schedule release show that night at 8pm, although many key game dates are leaked before the show starts.The schedule will usually come out in early to mid-April.
I think you said some time ago that you've had a few expedited appeals in the Second. What's your experience on decision timing in those cases versus a typical schedule?There's a good chance we won't get a ruling in the next 6 weeks, especially if it's a reversal.
That is not set in stone. NFLSchedules.com says April 21st based on the past dates. I would guess some time that week it comes out.April 21st, 2016 is this year's release date. ESPN airs the schedule release show that night at 8pm, although many key game dates are leaked before the show starts.