Worst current Red Sox contract

Which contract is the worst on the team?

  • Pablo Sandoval - 5yrs/95

    Votes: 221 59.1%
  • Hanley Ramirez - 4yrs/88

    Votes: 25 6.7%
  • Rick Porcello - 2016-2019 4 yrs/82.5

    Votes: 61 16.3%
  • Allen Craig - 2013/2017 31mil + 1 option yr

    Votes: 132 35.3%
  • Rusney Castillo - 7yrs 72.5 mill

    Votes: 70 18.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 16 4.3%

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Pick only 2.  What says SOSH?
These are obviously in the very early stages for all of the above, but which of these could you second guess the most at this point in time.
 
Pablo's recent struggles in the field and at the plate have reignited the displeasure with the contract that many felt was an overpay in years and length.
 
Hanley's struggles in the field, coupled with his mediocre bat, and poor instincts have also led to criticism.
 
Porcello's contract could also be criticized due to the AAV coupled with a thus far inconsistent performance and continued struggles with the long ball.
 
Rusney has shown very little to this point and one could question our international scouting in terms of what they saw in him to pounce on a then 27 year old (and seemingly still raw) for 7 years.  Would it have really taken 7 years to get him to sign?  Would 4 or 5 with a higher AAV done it?
 
Allen Craig is relatively inexpensive when compared to the bigger names, but his level of performance has him languishing in AAA for the foreseeable future.
 
Personally, I have the most issue with Hanley's.  There had to be some thought given to how his glove would play at a different position, but to this point he hasn't been able to adapt.  If/when he is moved out of LF, where would he go?  A year or two from now he could be getting paid 22 million to DH.
 
I was in the minority with Pablo since I thought the defense coupled with a league average bat was worth the money in today's market.  I think he'll get over his yips, and hope he'll hit, but this is a much different fan base than SF.
 
Both Hanley and Pablo aren't used to being booed or ripped in the media.  It will be interesting to see how they react to that if their current poor play continues.
 

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Tie for worst between Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez, who are both on the sixth and last page (page 6) of Fangraph's qualified player ratings, ranked by WAR. Not enough data for defensive WAR? We know what a terrible fielder Hanley is, so, not too early in his case. Tiebreaker might be that Sandoval is still hurt from the fastball he took off the knee, he recovers and gets back to career averages. If that happens, Hanley's is the worst contract.
 

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Porcello and Castillo.  Porcello because I don't think he's ever been a $20m+ per year pitcher and I've seen nothing to suggest that he will be yet.  Castillo because he's pretty much an unknown and I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up doing next to nothing.
 
Sandoval and Hanley look bad right now, but they've shown in the recent past that they can produce at a level commensurate with their salaries, and I think that looking at a third of a season to say they're done is very premature.
 

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Through the first 55 games?  
 
Given that anyone can turn it around in the poll group over this season or next season, or the season after that, I'd instead ask, who is the least likely to turn things around long term, costs somewhat significant money, and has arguably hurt the team the most thus far?
 
Masterson.   
 

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The better question is can we trade them all plus Jeff Bianchi for Andre Ethier, Justin Turner, Zach Lee, Joe Wieland, Andy Wilkins and Enrique Hernandez.
 

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I voted other. My pick would be Ortiz. I don't care about overpay this or not worth that, especially judging on just the first two months. My concern with Ortiz is the vesting option at 425 PA and how even if he continues to struggle and his decline is real, he's going to keep getting playing time and reach that vesting threshold. As much as I love the guy and everything he's done for the franchise, the future is an Ortiz-free one and the sooner it starts, the better off everything might be. If he gets his option for next year, I see no chance he walks away from it and he will fill a roster and lineup spot that could be used in a more efficient manner. (again, this assumes his decline is real)
 

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The thing forgotten in all the sturm un drang over Panda is that there weren't really any other options at 3B in the off season that were palatable - WMB was done here, Chechinni isn't the answer, no one else internally is right fit, X wasn't going to shift over to 3B.  So while it looks bad 55 games in, tell me who else you would have put there at their current contract - please don't throw mythical unicorn trade options that we have no way of saying would or would not have happened.
 

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ookami7m said:
The thing forgotten in all the sturm un drang over Panda is that there weren't really any other options at 3B in the off season that were palatable - WMB was done here, Chechinni isn't the answer, no one else internally is right fit, X wasn't going to shift over to 3B.  So while it looks bad 55 games in, tell me who else you would have put there at their current contract - please don't throw mythical unicorn trade options that we have no way of saying would or would not have happened.
Everyone is just going to say Headley.
 

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I don't think Headley was something they wanted to do past a certain length given that he would be 34 at the end of a 4 year deal.  Or maybe they didn't want to get into a bidding war with the Yankees.  Who knows?
 
FWIW, Headley has been exactly replacement level so far but less expensive.
 

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"Least happy" is fortunately not synonymous with "grossest overpay," and "worst" is indirectly defined by the thread title as the one that makes me "least happy".

No single pitcher is likely to make my list. Multiple "bad" long-term contracts to pitchers could aggregate in that direction, but if you give a single awful contract to a pitcher there are either four more starters or multiple bullpen arms available.

The Allen Craig problem has been disposed of.

I don't have the sense that Rusney Castillo is entitled to an ML position in 2015: he's only up because of injuries. His contract could make him one of my picks in a 2016 thread, but not yet.

Hanley Ramirez is a terrible defender, but he might be an acceptable DH. For me, the jury is still out on his contract.

Based on his career numbers, Pablo Sandoval is a mediocre defender, and his 2011 season is the major component in rating him that high. If I were to pick, I'd choose Hanley Ramirez over him as my DH. On "my" team, his only possible position would be 1B. Unfortunately, I doubt that his production there would justify his salary.

So, Pablo is one of my picks.

Which brings me to Dustin Pedroia. I cringe when I think what we might be saying about him in, say, 2018, but this is 2015.

Based purely on production, Mike Napoli is a candidate, but his defense is good, so I'm prepared to smile as I bid him Godspeed at the end of the season.

Finally, there's David Ortiz. It would have suited my sense of drama if he had announced his retirement at the duck boat parade in 2013--a perfect bookend to "This is our ******* city." 2014 was very good production on a lousy team, and 2015 is, well, it's not very pretty. So, I guess his contract is the other one that makes me least happy.
 

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How many bad contracts does it take to get to the empty section of John Henry's wallet?
 
there's four contracts there totaling $320M+ that may not combine for 10war over their duration! I mean that's in play (Hanley in LF, Panda decline, Castillo may not be a MLer). Porcello could get there alone on sheer volume of mediocrity
 
If it weren't for the kids, I would feel a lot like a Yankee fan in 2011
 

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Hanley Ramirez?
 
Chase Headley?
 
Brock Holt?
 
Also, Jed Lowrie at 3-$24 with Brock Holt filling in the inevitable half season injuries would have been better than Panda at 5 X$19.  There are also these things called "trades" which our front office seems familiar with.   The Dodgers just dumped Juan Uribe to make room for Gonzalez, the Red Sox could have gotten in on that to plug a one-year hole if Hanley hadn't worked out or if Lowrie had been hurt.
 

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Also, Jed Lowrie at 3-$24 with Brock Holt filling in the inevitable half season injuries would have been better than Panda at 5 X$19.  There are also these things called "trades" which our front office seems familiar with.   The Dodgers just dumped Juan Uribe to make room for Gonzalez, the Red Sox could have gotten in on that to plug a one-year hole if Hanley hadn't worked out or if Lowrie had been hurt.
 
you do know that Lowrie was hurt in April and is out until "after the All Star game", right?
 
I don't want Brock Holt filling in at third base for half a season.  I don't want him filling in at any single position for half a season.
 

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ookami7m said:
The thing forgotten in all the sturm un drang over Panda is that there weren't really any other options at 3B in the off season that were palatable - WMB was done here, Chechinni isn't the answer, no one else internally is right fit, X wasn't going to shift over to 3B.  So while it looks bad 55 games in, tell me who else you would have put there at their current contract - please don't throw mythical unicorn trade options that we have no way of saying would or would not have happened.
 
The problem, of course, is that the mythical unicorn trade of Donaldson (a 3b) for Lawrie (another 3b) happened four days later.
 
It's not that Ben missed out on Cecchini-for-Gallo straight up, but there were many other legit options than 5yrs of Panda.  
 

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The problem, of course, is that the mythical unicorn trade of Donaldson (a 3b) for Lawrie (another 3b) happened four days later.
 
It's not that Ben missed out on Cecchini-for-Gallo straight up, but there were many other legit options than 5yrs of Panda.  
 
Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
 

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OCD SS said:
 
Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
Man, based on these 55 games I would have INCLUDED Swihart or Mookie. 
 
 
Anyway, I voted Rusney & Porcello. I don't like Porcello's transition to a more traditional pitcher, it's not working out and I wish he'd go back to what worked for him instead.
 
Rusney is scaring the crap out of me so far this season. Pablo & Hanley have MLB track records we can point to and at least SUGGEST they're better than this. Rusney is still an unknown & that concerns me with his start.  
 

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I voted other. My pick would be Ortiz. I don't care about overpay this or not worth that, especially judging on just the first two months. My concern with Ortiz is the vesting option at 425 PA and how even if he continues to struggle and his decline is real, he's going to keep getting playing time and reach that vesting threshold. As much as I love the guy and everything he's done for the franchise, the future is an Ortiz-free one and the sooner it starts, the better off everything might be. If he gets his option for next year, I see no chance he walks away from it and he will fill a roster and lineup spot that could be used in a more efficient manner. (again, this assumes his decline is real)
I voted Panda, and other, and would nominate Ortiz. There is actually the potential, if handled wrong, for that contract to ruin multiple years.
 
He seems pretty likely to get 425 PA this year. He needs 215 and there are 107 games left. You can't really bench him because he'll throw a fit even if it's the best baseball move, and if he has an injury it would have to be a pretty major one for him to not meet the PA threshold. 
 
So fine, this year is nearly a lost cause, let him play it out. But then you have him next year and you're facing the same thing. You really want to move Hanley or Panda to DH or even just hide them there a couple times a week, but you can't because Papi needs his PAs. This is the guy who showed up the official scorer over an RBI and barged into press conferences over his stats. He cares about the team, but he definitely cares about his numbers, and you know he's keeping track of his playing time (Which, of course, is perfectly his right, he deserves it, and I don't begrudge him for it). 
 
So if he doesn't rebound against LHP, he's going to be hurting you in multiple positions. And if you try to bench him, he's not going to like it. And he's a very popular guy and a clubhouse leader, and you're going to have players and fans wondering why you don't just give Papi his playing time. Yeah, chemistry shemistry, but if there's anyone who can affect it, it's David Ortiz.
 
I guess the smart thing in this case maybe to tell him you're picking up the option regardless and that he can help the team best by sitting half the games, but I doubt he think's he's a part-time player just because Hanley can't play a position.
 

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It's almost like Mak is ignoring me, or we're sharing a brain.  Or he's trolling me.
 

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It's almost like Mak is ignoring me, or we're sharing a brain.  Or he's trolling me.
To be fair, you didn't mention that Porcello is completely changing how he's pitching this season but yeah, that's what I get for not thoroughly reading each post before chiming in. 
 

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That wasn't a criticism, for the record.  I thought it was funny, or perhaps a little scary, that our opinions were so similar.
 

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Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
1) Maybe, and 2) So?

I guess this is my problem with prospects:
Donaldson is on pace to hit 44 HR and bat .312 this year while making $4.5 million in his age 29 season. He won't be a free agent until 2019. In other words, Donaldson is a cost-controlled MVP candidate right now! He is who, in your wildest dreams, Swihart becomes in a few years.

So... shouldn't the argument instead be who you WOULDN'T give up for Donaldson, and then a justification for why that prospect(s) is somehow more valuable than him?

I feel like I'm agreeing with WEEI, which is disgusting and I apologize.

Edit: At the risk of being hyperbolic, Tony Armas Jr. and Carl Pavano were very good prospects at one time as well, and Pavano ended up becoming a very good pitcher. It still made sense to trade them. I'm not saying Donaldson is Pedro or that Pavano was as good a prospect as Swihart, I'm just trying to illustrate the point.
 

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The worst Red Sox contract is Ben Cherington's. It is the manure pile from which all these other ones sprang forth.
 

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I voted for Allen Craig. I think the salary number is off. He's only owed 21 million after this season. 9 + 11 + 1 mil buyout. That being said, that's looking like a total waste of money unless someone else pays it or his AAA numbers are legit. Everybody else on the list is currently playing for the team. Allen Craig is a money sucking roster spot. 
 

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OCD SS said:
 
Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
I'd bet Beane would have agreed to a package headlined by Bogaerts. Holt and Donaldson on the left side would probably be okay by me, and would have balanced the lineup far better than Panda's on-off switch hitting.
 

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I voted for Allen Craig. I think the salary number is off. He's only owed 21 million after this season. 9 + 11 + 1 mil buyout. That being said, that's looking like a total waste of money unless someone else pays it or his AAA numbers are legit. Everybody else on the list is currently playing for the team. Allen Craig is a money sucking roster spot. 
He doesn't count towards the luxury tax & the Sox didn't sign him to his current contract. Plus he's not on the 40 man at this point so he's not burning a spot. I have a hard time seeing Craig as the WORST contract the Sox currently have on the books. 
 

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Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
That's the question, of course, and I'd really like to know the answer because... gotdam. Ultimately the As accepted a risky ML level player, a low-minors lottery ticket, and two arms along the lines of Rubby and Webster, only with lower ceilings. Seems like the Sox could have mustered up something besides Betts/Swihart, but who knows?
 

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I voted Panda, and other, and would nominate Ortiz. There is actually the potential, if handled wrong, for that contract to ruin multiple years.
 
He seems pretty likely to get 425 PA this year. He needs 215 and there are 107 games left. You can't really bench him because he'll throw a fit even if it's the best baseball move, and if he has an injury it would have to be a pretty major one for him to not meet the PA threshold. 
 
So fine, this year is nearly a lost cause, let him play it out. But then you have him next year and you're facing the same thing. You really want to move Hanley or Panda to DH or even just hide them there a couple times a week, but you can't because Papi needs his PAs. This is the guy who showed up the official scorer over an RBI and barged into press conferences over his stats. He cares about the team, but he definitely cares about his numbers, and you know he's keeping track of his playing time (Which, of course, is perfectly his right, he deserves it, and I don't begrudge him for it). 
 
So if he doesn't rebound against LHP, he's going to be hurting you in multiple positions. And if you try to bench him, he's not going to like it. And he's a very popular guy and a clubhouse leader, and you're going to have players and fans wondering why you don't just give Papi his playing time. Yeah, chemistry shemistry, but if there's anyone who can affect it, it's David Ortiz.
 
I guess the smart thing in this case maybe to tell him you're picking up the option regardless and that he can help the team best by sitting half the games, but I doubt he think's he's a part-time player just because Hanley can't play a position.
It didn't help that Cherington publicly said that Ortiz knows he can be Red Sox player as long as he wants to play either.  I like the idea of letting him know they'll pick up his option if he starts to huff and puff so they can limit his at bats and "keep his knees healthy."  Again though, it's another deal they bid against themselves with a la Chiarelli.
 
And with regard to Donaldson, his character and make up may have been a contributing factor for all we know.  He's kind of a douche.
 

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My opinion hasn't really changed on any of these since they happened.  The Panda contract was bad when it was signed and I could really see no justification for it.  Moving Hanley to LF was a risk worth taking IMO, and if it doesn't work out the bat should play well enough at 1B over the next few years.  Castillo isn't that much money for the years and is also a smart risk IMO.  The money on Craig's contract is so little that it can't be put in the same category as the others.  Porcello probably took a discount and I expect at least 1 big year out of him over those 3.  Pretty much everyone of these contracts could be justified except for Sandoval.
 

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Holt as the everyday shortstop?  That would be a disaster.
I doubt Xander, Mookie, or Swihart would have been necessary, especially if Middlebrooks, de la Rosa, and Webster were all included.

Edit: Obviously I can't say that for certain. I just feel like those 3 would already be akin to the Lawrie offer.
 

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That's the question, of course, and I'd really like to know the answer because... gotdam. Ultimately the As accepted a risky ML level player, a low-minors lottery ticket, and two arms along the lines of Rubby and Webster, only with lower ceilings. Seems like the Sox could have mustered up something besides Betts/Swihart, but who knows?
which is why I think the A’s were set on those specific players….Didn’t most of the media say “WTF are the A’s doing” when they made that trade?
 

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It's got to be Craig.  Whatever you think of Sandoval, he's at least got some utility to an MLB team.  Craig is just $31M being lit on fire.
 

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I don't understand picking Craig. It's just not that much money. Same for Masterson, even though he's not in the poll. To be a seriously bad deal it has to be large enough to significantly affect your payroll flexibility for at least a couple of years.
 
I said Panda because after 55 games he just seems like a pretty ordinary player who has inflated his reputation by getting hot at the best possible times, and I don't think that's what we need, and I certainly don't think we need 5/95 of it.
 
I also said Porcello, even though it's quite possible he'll recover and be at least fringe-average for us in the long run, because I think it was a bad idea to commit to a contract that big before he had pitched an inning for us. We may get away with it, we may not, but it was a big gamble, and I don't see why it was a necessary one.
 

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Why should any of us care about the luxury tax, and why does it matter if the Sox signed him to his contract or not?
 
He's getting millions of dollars and playing in Rhode Island. That's not a really good deal.
Because if he's not prevent the Sox from making midseason acquisitions (luxury tax), he's not taking up a 40 man spot and he's not taking PT away from ANYONE, why the hell should we care if his contract sucks or not? 
 
As for the latter point, it's a fair one. I think it matters because in the case of every other contract Ben & co decided that's what the player was worth themselves. You have 4 others deal signed within the last year that could be considered just as bad as Craig's contract on that list, I think it matters that Ben didn't actually sign Craig's himself, especially if you think Craig was the cost to acquire Kelly. 
 

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Rusney has shown very little to this point and one could question our international scouting in terms of what they saw in him to pounce on a then 27 year old (and seemingly still raw) for 7 years.  Would it have really taken 7 years to get him to sign?  Would 4 or 5 with a higher AAV done it?
 
 
Well, this is how you ended up giving Porcello $20m per. The question now is whether Castillo was worth any long-term commitment for $50m+. I think the jury's still out there.
 
I voted for Sandoval and Porcello. There was just no reason for Hanley and Sandoval, and given the choice of one of them to play 3B, I'll take the Hanley contract over Sandoval's 5 years. And for Porcello, there was just no reason to give him that kind of commitment as early as they did.
 

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The Donaldson love isn't hindsight, everyone here wondered why the Sox didn't make that deal the moment it happened.  Of course, there were two other deals that also made everyone jealous: Brandon McCarthy, who is out for the season, and Jason Heyward (251/298/388, FA after this year) for Shelby Miller (1.89 ERA, three more years of club control).  They don't all work out like John Donaldson.
 

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I voted Panda, because I never understood the signing, especially combined with Hanley. I think Hanley would have been a brilliant 3B solution, but he is a nightmare in LF. And Panda just isn't THAT good. Really, this team would be much better right now without Panda--move Hanley to 3B and Rusney Castillo to LF and everyone is better.
 
My other vote was Rusney though--because he belongs in AAA but is too old, and too highly paid, to be there. Maybe he will hit his stride again. But maybe he won't.
 
I would much rather be watching a team with JBJ in CF, Betts in right, and rotating cast of random LF'ers than seeing Panda at 3B, Rusney in RF, and Hanley in LF making a mockery of this game that I love.
 
I never understood why the thought of moving Betts to 3B was ruled out. 2b to 3b is an easier transition than 2b to CF.
 

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I wanted to play along, so I picked Pablo.

With Hanley, it's clear that he's supposed to be the DH. We all knew he was a dog but LF isn't exactly what he's here for. He might look better in the infield but those spots are filled.

It's too early on Porcello and Rusney. And I don't think Rick would like as bad if the FO had exactly bothered to get better starting pitching. I agree that his contract is a gamble but again, it's too early to know if it payed off.

I've already forgotten Craig existed.

Masterson doesn't warrant being on the list because it's chump change.

Sandoval looks dreadful. And with what other people who've seen him play have said about him, I genuinely don't understand what the hell kind of scouting took place there.

I'm already looking forward to his comments on his way out of town. Maybe he can't catch a ball now because Farrell suggested he eat some spinach or something.
 

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Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes? 
 
I think they could have done it with:
 
1. Middlebrooks: A good reclamation projecct for Beane
2. Cecchini: Still had value at the end of last season. Seems like an A's type of player, and would have been insurance if WMB bombed.
3. Owens: Don't worry, I wasn't going to suggest a Donaldson deal without a top prospect.
4. Marrero OR Margot: Either an MLB-ready defensive shortstop or a high-ceiling guy for the future.
 
As for how the dominoes fall, Donaldson provides the third base option that Sandoval did AND the right-handed power that Hanley did, so you don't need to sign either guy. They could have planned an outfield of Mookie in center, Castillo in right and Victorino/Nava/Craig in left.
 

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Sandoval might not look great right now, but he's a quality major league player with a position.

With the left field transition going so poorly right now, I have no idea what position Hanley is supposed to play. Hanleys deal has to be considered in the context of the money owed to Ortiz and his lack of ability to play anywhere on the field.
 

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As others have stated, this topic is a bit early. However, if I had to choose now based on what we've seen so far, it would be Castillo and Pablo.
 
Re Donaldson: at first when I hear people suggest that he could have been had for something less than the Red Sox "untouchable" prospects, it makes me think some of you are on drugs (you very well may be anyway; and more power to you), but then I remember that Donaldson and Beane have argued more than once and Beane may have just wanted him gone. At the very least, the Sox would have had to match the Lawrie+ price that Beane ended up getting from the Jays.
 
As an aside, I think the habit of attaching an "untouchable" label on any prospect who shows even a modicum of success in the minors is kinda dumb. I get prospect love. I'm guilty of it myself at times, but they all aren't going to turn into stars or even average major leaguers.
 

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Pretty damning that there are good cases being made for all of these contracts, and that every single one of them was signed or taken on in the last year or less. Not one of them is the last year of a 5 year deal, where you might expect the contract to look bad. They're all new and right now they all look bad.
 
This thread (and more importantly the product on the field) is evidence that the front office deserves an F- grade for the past year or so.  
 

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Sandoval might not look great right now, but he's a quality major league player with a position.

With the left field transition going so poorly right now, I have no idea what position Hanley is supposed to play. Hanleys deal has to be considered in the context of the money owed to Ortiz and his lack of ability to play anywhere on the field.
Sandoval's streaky. He's lost 120 points of OPS since getting hit on the knee, so I think that might be part of his issues.

Also, Hanley's shoulder and subsequent power outage has to be considered. If he hits even close to his April in May, we don't care about his defense.

You could say something similar about Pablo, honestly.

I'm most worried about Ortiz honestly. It wouldn't be hard to find a taker for any of the other contracts people have mentioned, but with Ortiz, it's less the contract than the understandable sense of obligation.

Ortiz to bench/PH, Hanley to DH, Betts to LF and Bradley to CF probably improves the team, but our hands are tied.
 

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Does anyone think the Sox could've gotten Donaldson without including Mookie or Swihart? What would a reasonable cost for Donaldson have been and how does that affect all the other dominoes?
 
55 games...
 
Not to pile on, but...yeah, as long as the word is "or," I would have done a deal for Donaldson. He's not just breaking out this year - he's been a top-5-in-the-league player. The likelihood of Mookie or Swihart getting to that level is slim.
 
I voted Sandoval, but fwiw, I don't need the Donaldson option to make me feel that way. Sandoval seems like a very pleasant man but really not much of a professional baseball player. I have more patience for Hanley, because elite bats are important to success. My second vote went to Rusney, because non-elite talent isn't really the difference between more and less successful results...
 

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This thread (and more importantly the product on the field) is evidence that the front office deserves an F- grade for the past year or so.
I have to agree. He's not on the list but what the hell were thinking re-signing Breslow?

You don't sign Miller and you figure what? "Mujica, Breslow and some non-starter named Ross Jr. can easily do his job!"