Women’s World Cup ‘23 Game Thread (spoilers)

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Realistically it’s hard to be fluid against a back 5 with no intention of even counter attacking. US has dominated but haven’t been sharp in finishing or even in a lot of small passing sequences to unlock it but this isn’t all that concerning I don’t think. US won’t have an easy tournament ahead but that was true no matter how they played today
 

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They have to play a LOT better to win Wednesday. They had absolute control and could not really get anything going against an inferior team.

Perhaps that is because Vietnam beer tried to advance the ball, I’m not that adept to soccer to full grasp that.
 

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It’s weird to call a win discouraging but this is not good.
one thing that is concerning is Lavelle's body language at about 90+5. She looked pissed at her teammates. Sign of bad overall chemistry when a vet does that
 
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The US won’t be able to bully the NL like they did the Vietnamese players. They’ll have to be much, much sharper on Weds.

Smith had a dream debut. I really liked the distribution from Ertz & Girma. Having 2 CBs that can spray the ball around creates possibilities.
Agree the Ertz Girma CB pairing was fun to watch. I don’t love the effect on the midfield, I just don’t get it with Sullivan. Horan has to my eye been noticeably more effective with Ertz at the 6. With the various injuries what can ya do, I guess.

Lavelle clearly shaking the rust. Rapinoe looked atrocious. Interested to see what adjustments they make Wednesday
 

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Agree the Ertz Girma CB pairing was fun to watch. I don’t love the effect on the midfield, I just don’t get it with Sullivan. Horan has to my eye been noticeably more effective with Ertz at the 6. With the various injuries what can ya do, I guess.
We’ll see how Vlatko rolls against the Dutch. Ertz at CB is great when the US expects to dominate the ball and can use a less defenses minded player at the base of the midfield.

But the NL has horses that can stretch the US on the counter. We’re going to get a real test of where this squad is at & what Vlatko is thinking.
 

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Watching China versus Denmark. What a game! Two incredibly contrasting styles. The Danes look bigger and more technical. But the Chinese are defending incredibly well and look dangerous on counterattack. Also, the game is end to end, and there are so few stoppages for fouls that it’s just a joy to watch. No score at 72 minutes, but it’s been a breathtaking game.
 

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Tough for China but deserved for Denmark. Close call on “active play” offside.

Amazing defense by China for 89 minutes, but that is not enough.
 

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Thank goodness for SS

but wow, that was a horrible underperformance. Morgan, Rapinoe, and Fox were awful and Horan took 75 minutes to warm up.
Ref was bad too. Thankful for the 2nd goal.
had ECF Game 7 vibes when Rodman went down (too soon)

Need to do better against the Dutch
 

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I think a lot of how you feel about that US match is where you fall on the "finishing is real and it is important" / "you need to get into the right spots often enough and have variance go your way" sliding scale. If you're more of a finishing person, some of that finishing was alarming. If you're more of a variance person, you look at the missed penalty, the crossbar from Lavelle, and the number of pretty wide open moonshots and near misses and say "well that probably should've and could've been right on the 6 - 0 betting odds.

I wanted more goals to pad the differential, but it's a tournament and we got three points. Once we got the second goal such that we were "one single calamity" proof, it was all good to me. It's hard to generate awesome chances against a team that is effectively almost never trying to play soccer (seriously, 0 shots), and I think it's likely that the US attack looks a lot stronger against a NED team that doesn't just pack the box because they also want to attack. More opportunities where Smith only has to do two defenders and not five will be nice.
 

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But the NL has horses that can stretch the US on the counter. We’re going to get a real test of where this squad is at & what Vlatko is thinking.
Netherlands doesn't even play til what? 30 hours after the US? Why aren't the groups playing the same days?
 

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Netherlands doesn't even play til what? 30 hours after the US? Why aren't the groups playing the same days?
Yeah, the US playing at the same time of day (9pm ET), and NL having to play 6 1/2 hours earlier than their first game will be (3:30am ET), is a nice little thumb on the scale in favor of the US.
 

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Jamaica vs. France has been hard-hitting for 70 minutes. France has had better control and better chances but Jamaica is organized at the back and has kept them at bay.
Fatigue and the onset of rain may influence the ending of the game.
 

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The Jamaican goalie is great on the low shots but can't jump. I mean at all.

France header hits crossbar then post and out. Jamaica survives another close one.
 

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Like the use of VAR for confirming offside/not offside and the like. For some of the penalties, not so much.
 

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Shaw gets second yellow to red in extra time. France sure does the professional fouls better as well as drawing the fouls.
yeah that's not even remotely a yellow for Shaw. Wendie Renard, with basically nothing to gain by doing so at 90'+2, made an entire hollywood production out of a light grazing by the top of shaw's trailing boot. F her and the extra-tall horse she rode in on.
 

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Ugh for Bunny. Huge blow for Jamaica to lose her for Panama. They need to win that one.

she back for Brazil, though.
 

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Watching NL-POR replay.

The US physically bossed Vietnam, both in tackles and protecting the ball. That won’t be the case against the next 2 opponents. The US will have to be a lot more technical and quick in decision making.

Portugal will probably park the bus again vs the US and look to smash and grab points. That’s going to be a battle. Portugal are a tough, determined group.

With the NL, if you mark van de Donk tightly, the NL will play out wide. If Sullivan stays at the base of the midfield, that will be her job.
 
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Beerensteyn (amazing name) is so strong on the ball & finding space, but lacks that final bit - the killer pass or well place shot.
 

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So happy for Allyson Swaby that she was able to lead her defense to a clean sheet against one of the best offenses in the world. Saw her play a bunch at BC
Wow
 

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Beerensteyn (amazing name) is so strong on the ball & finding space, but lacks that final bit - the killer pass or well place shot.
Yes, she's a bit like Trinity Rodman in that regard and her role on the team, except that Beerensteyn is 26 while Trin is 21.

As for best names at the tournament, though, it's hard to top Jamaica's Atlanta Primus.
 

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Beerensteyn (amazing name) is so strong on the ball & finding space, but lacks that final bit - the killer pass or well place shot.
If she was on the Red Stars, a name change for the team would be in order!
 

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If we're going to be talking amazing names at this tournament, we must discuss Costa Rica's own Priscila Chinchilla.
 

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If we're going to be talking amazing names at this tournament, we must discuss Costa Rica's own Priscila Chinchilla.
She didn't make the squad today, which is probably for the best. Borges would have worn her like a coat.

Marta subbed in to be part of her SIXTH World Cup. GOAT
 

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Backheel assists are the best. Nothing better in soccer then watching Brazil (men or women) play against a weak opponent
 

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Italy-Argentina is like MFY-Rays to me

was it the right result for US?
I didn’t watch it, but my wife did. She said the commentary was unbearable, talking about the teenager on the field the entire time until she was subbed off, then talking about how the match had changed since she went out.
 

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Non-US Goat

I still pick Mia first
Fun question. I've got Akers as the American GOAT just above Hamm. Akers actually had a better goals per international match record than Hamm (.69 to .58) while playing a deeper role. Plus, Akers invested so much of her life in personally building support for the woman's game (I may be giving her extra credit for the off-field work).

Edit: Marta is a .66 goals per international match. That's obviously just one measure of a player's status, but I would argue that the women's game has gotten so much better and the competition so much stronger over the past 20 years - Hamm retired in 2004 - comparisons are really strained.

But overall, it's a good thing that people can and do now have debates about the women's GOAT. There's been more than enough ink spilled over the men's GOAT, broadening up the conversation is good!
 
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Might make for a great topic. Mia got the attention but Akers was the engine. I don’t think the US establishes itself without her.
 

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Might make for a great topic. Mia got the attention but Akers was the engine. I don’t think the US establishes itself without her.
FWIW, my uncle coached both as part of US Soccer and although I haven’t spoken to him about this recently I have almost no doubt he’d say Hamm. He was always so complimentary about her as a player and person. I don’t really call him up about this stuff out of the blue but should see him over the holidays and will ask him directly then
 

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Fun question. I've got Akers as the American GOAT just above Hamm. Akers actually had a better goals per international match record than Hamm (.69 to .58) while playing a deeper role. Plus, Akers invested so much of her life in personally building support for the woman's game (I may be giving her extra credit for the off-field work).

Edit: Marta is a .66 goals per international match. That's obviously just one measure of a player's status, but I would argue that the women's game has gotten so much better and the competition so much stronger over the past 20 years - Hamm retired in 2004 - comparisons are really strained.

But overall, it's a good thing that people can and do now have debates about the women's GOAT. There's been more than enough ink spilled over the men's GOAT, broadening up the conversation is good!
Akers obviously played deeper but she played more central. Akers also was taller so header goals were a much bigger part of her game and Mia should be given credit for setting up Lilly for basically tapins so often. Mia had the speed so was wide very often

She also had the prime of her career a little later than Akers where talent was more spread around.

The two of them are though the only women in the FIFA 100
 

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FWIW, my uncle coached both as part of US Soccer and although I haven’t spoken to him about this recently I have almost no doubt he’d say Hamm. He was always so complimentary about her as a player and person. I don’t really call him up about this stuff out of the blue but should see him over the holidays and will ask him directly then
Wow. Please do. Any insider views and stories would be amazing.

Akers obviously played deeper but she played more central. Akers also was taller so header goals were a much bigger part of her game and Mia should be given credit for setting up Lilly for basically tapins so often. Mia had the speed so was wide very often

She also had the prime of her career a little later than Akers where talent was more spread around.

The two of them are though the only women in the FIFA 100
All good points. Hamm is credited with an absurd 144 assists in international play. That’s an otherworldly 1.09 goal contributions per match.

Let me ask the spicier question - if you made a list of “greatest” American soccer players across both men’s and women’s games, how far down the list is the first guy?

Off the top, I’d go: Akers, Hamm, Rapinoe, Wambach, Lilly, and then Donovan.
 

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Wow. Please do. Any insider views and stories would be amazing.



All good points. Hamm is credited with an absurd 144 assists in international play. That’s an otherworldly 1.09 goal contributions per match.

Let me ask the spicier question - if you made a list of “greatest” American soccer players across both men’s and women’s games, how far down the list is the first guy?

Off the top, I’d go: Akers, Hamm, Rapinoe, Wambach, Lilly, and then Donovan.
Morgan ahead of Donovan
Carli and Foudy too

Maybe Sauerbrunn, Fawcett and Chastain too if we’re considering defenders
 
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Top 11 (not positionally equitable)

Hamm
Akers
Foudy
Lloyd
Lilly
Morgan
Rapinoe
Wambach
Fawcett
Sauerbrunn
Donovan or Tim

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Chastain
Horan
Ertz
Milbrett

Will be ahead of Donovan and Tim when their career is over
Smith
Lavelle
Rodman
 
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Linda Caicedo has a first half goal for Colombia. She’s on track to be the next global superstar. Madrid snapped her up and she’s already made 10 appearances for them. This is the kind of move Madrid has recently started making on the men’s side, so it’s good to see them making shrewd investments in its women’s team. Let’s see how long they can hold on to her.

Casey Phair, the US native teen, is on Korea’s bench. If she gets in, she’ll be the first multi-racial player for a senior Korean squad.
 

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Colombia-SK has been fun so far but Linda Caicedo just skinned, cooked and ate the entire Korean backline. She kinda jumps off the screen at you.

edit: or what yaz said. Madrid as a club can afford to keep anyone, but historically they haven't invested in their women's team the way Barca and Athletic Bilbao have, to say nothing of OL and half the Premier League. They only even started their women's team in 2019. Kinda amazing that they can even attract a Caicedo, seeing as she'd probably make more money in the NWSL.
 
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Colombia-SK has been fun so far but Linda Caicedo just skinned, cooked and ate the entire Korean backline. She kinda jumps off the screen at you.

edit: or what yaz said. Madrid as a club can afford to keep anyone, but historically they haven't invested in their women's team the way Barca and Athletic Bilbao have, to say nothing of OL and half the Premier League. They only even started their women's team in 2019. Kinda amazing that they can even attract a Caicedo, seeing as she'd probably make more money in the NWSL.
I hadn’t seen figures about Caicedo’s deal at Madrid. I figured they splashed the cash at her since she came over on a free. There’s got to be more for Caicedo than is estimated there. There’s a slew of clubs in the NWSL and Europe with better track records than could have topped those numbers.
 

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Not enough to juke 2 defenders, Caicedo dropped back and performed a clinical hip-check-tackle to win the ball.
 

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And Phair probably should have had a PK called on her flying through the back of a Colombian on a bouncing loose ball. Not an impressive debut. Hopefully she can settle down next match.