rymflaherty said:Seeing what it took to get that deal done is kind of depressing.
Unless I'm missing something, it sure looks like the lower-end of what people were projecting in regards to what it would take to get Samardzija.
Doesn't this compare to something along the lines of Cecchini or Marrero and a pitcher not named Owens?
I guess the Sox had no interest in signing Samardzija to a long term deal, because in terms of prospect-value, that doesn't seem bad at all. On the plus side, now I don't have to worry about figuring out how to spell his name.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:Seems to me that Ken is the Shark.
We know that JS can handle the Windy City, but can he handle the AL?
dynomite said:I think you're underestimating Semien.
Semien had 15 HRs and an .881 OPS in 83 games at AAA as a 23-year-old. The fangraphs folks love him.
NJ_Sox_Fan said:I guess Boston really didn't like samardzjia
I can't say it with any certainty, but it seems like a light return to me.Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
I don't know how you can say this with any type of certainty. The sense I get is that Beane has specific player targets, and if he gets those players, that's what he's trading for - unless somebody pays well above value with something else. This is like the Donaldson trade, I think, he just valued Semien more than whatever other offers with a shortstop were out there.
SSS away from the greatest foul ball territory parkRed(s)HawksFan said:
16 starts, 110 innings, 3.14 ERA, 3.30 FIP, 0.931 WHIP for Oakland. No indication he can't "handle" the AL.
NJ_Sox_Fan said:I can't say it with any certainty, but it seems like a light return to me.
TomRicardo said:It was a little better than that but this is the second time it seems Cherington dropped the ball talking to Oakland. Sandoval's deal looks horrendous in the face of what Donaldson was got for.
You don't? I'm not saying I agree with TRic, but this is a silly strawman.JimD said:
You keep saying this - if you're Billy Beane, why do you take Will Middlebrooks over Brett Lawrie?
I just said this yesterday. You cannot fault the sox for not trading for Donaldson. I believe it's been reported that the sox have asked multiple times about him and were told he was not available. And a week before he was traded it was reported he was unavailable. I'm guessing by the time the sox found out he was actually available they were deep in discussions with the panda and it would have been bad form to back out.TomRicardo said:It was a little better than that but this is the second time it seems Cherington dropped the ball talking to Oakland. Sandoval's deal looks horrendous in the face of what Donaldson was got for.
Cherington is really putting a lot of eggs in the Lester basket...
I mentioned pretty much this exact thing earlier. No way we get an answer, but it sure is interesting to speculate.nattysez said:I'm not a fan of the current Sox FO, but let's think about this for a minute. If the return in the Donaldson and Shark trades is light, should the conclusion be that other FOs "screwed up," or that Beane, for whatever reason, focused on the particular players he got rather than telling the world that these guys were available and getting the best possible return for both players?
I think the latter has to be the answer. Is there any team (other than maybe the Dodgers) who doesn't need a pitcher of Shark's caliber? There are probably a dozen teams that desperately needed a 3b going into the off-season -- wouldn't one of them trumped the Jays' offer if given the chance?
The question in the title of the other thread remains unanswered: what is Beane doing? Why is he not doing everything he can to get the best possible return for his guys? Or is he doing so, but doing it very quietly? I'm baffled.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:SSS away from the greatest foul ball territory park
According to an industry source, the Red Sox did not appear to be meaningfully in the mix in trade discussions with the A’s to acquire Jeff Samardzija. Instead, according to the source, the A’s appeared “pretty locked in” on the players whom they acquired from the White Sox — infielder Marcus Semien, right-hander Chris Bassitt, catcher Josh Phegley and Double-A corner infielder Rangel Ravelo — rather than trying to spawn a bidding war.
Over the 3 years Shark has been a full time starter he has been a top 20-25 pitcher in baseball. 15th in xFIP, 23rd in fwar, and 29th in FIP. He has also averaged over 200 innings in those 3 years. He is clearly a good number 2 and combined with Sale and Quintana makes a very tough top 3 starters for the White Sox.ator603 said:Can someone explain all the samardzija hype? I've seen stories (not very good ones mind you) suggesting that Shark can be a number two in chicago behind sale, and now the sox are suddenly a threat in the central. A quick glance at baseball reference shows maybe two really good seasons (2011,2014) and a couple of decent ones. The guy has a career era+ of 103 and FIP of 3.73, which isn't bad but i don't see how this is a major move. a little scary that a guy like this cost 4 prospects though.
ator603 said:Can someone explain all the samardzija hype? I've seen stories (not very good ones mind you) suggesting that Shark can be a number two in chicago behind sale, and now the sox are suddenly a threat in the central. A quick glance at baseball reference shows maybe two really good seasons (2011,2014) and a couple of decent ones. The guy has a career era+ of 103 and FIP of 3.73, which isn't bad but i don't see how this is a major move. a little scary that a guy like this cost 4 prospects though.