The one theory I've heard that I lend some credence to is that NYG are not interested in JJM but want to give the appearance so that another team jumps into the top 5 to draft him assuring them one of the top 2 WR in the class. It makes sense because the GM and HC are both on the hotseat in NY and drafting JJM only to have him sit behind Daniel Jones isn't likely to buy them any extra time in their jobs. On the other hand an impact WR would provide immediate dividends and just might save their jobs.
One key thing is.... without knowing which coach doesn't tell you much.
Yeah. I guess my point is simply that as I've read a lot of people discuss this draft, opinions vary widely on who is better between Daniels and Maye. Personally I prefer Maye, but I've read a bunch of guys talk about preferring Daniels. So maybe it's all just nonsense. I don't think it is. I don't think it's hard to see Daniels and see things you really like. Every one of them has weaknesses, so if they fail it'll be easy to say, "I told you so - these weaknesses were so obvious" and they might not even be wrong. But if a guy succeeds, it'll also be easy to say, "I told you so - his talent was so obvious despite his weaknesses" and they might not be wrong either.
If you have the #1 pick and you don't need a quarterback, there is only one answer to that question. "I would trade the #1 pick, also known as Caleb Williams, for a fucking king's ransom."
I always try to remember it could be Rex Ryan or Hue Jackson on the other end of the phone line and then take these anon quotes with that massive grain of salt.
I think this is broadly correct.
Yeah, there are definitely different opinions, though honestly... other than this coach, Dan Orlovsky and Nate Tice almost everyone thinks Caleb is QB1. Maye vs. Daniels is more up for grabs because they are very different as prospects: young vs. old, production vs struggle, good O vs bad O, elite speed vs serviceable speed, big arm vs. good arm, consistent vs. erratic, etc. etc.
Open for business for godfather offers. They would have to be blown away to move down.
The part that is news.... Jonathan being heavily involved in a football decision.
Exactly. Not the greatest of news.
worth noting this was from their "Take Purge" episode which is built around throwing out super hot takes you wouldn't normally give on the real podcast.
Jayden Daniels was widely considered a 3rd round pick at the beginning of the CFB season. Behind guys like Nix and Penix. Nix was even favored to win the Heisman for a bit. Caleb and Maye were 1-2 to start the year and had performances that weren't out of this world allowing the rest of the QBs to "catch up."
Sure, but we're not at the beginning of the CFB season. At this point he seems (as far as publicly available information suggests) to be widely considered across the league as worthy of a top five pick. Given that, its crazy for anybody to write him off based on their own amateur assessment or because a couple of their favorite draft analysts don't like him.
Yes! I listened to a few of their pods over the weekend, wasn't sure which one it was.
Yes, these things have financial ramifications. Kraft has come out and said they won't be involved in telling football people what to do.
I think this is trying to prime the pump for the Pats to say "ownership and the staff are on the same page" with whatever decision is made (drafting or trading down). I don't see anything more to it than that. After the apparent contentious relationship with the Krafts/BB in the public sphere, they seem to be getting ahead of the inevitable "who made the call, Mayo/Wolfe or the Krafts" for whatever they do, and are instead going to show a unified front.
So I understand ... if you "win" the best, you don't have to be charitable?
Correct. If I win the bet, the kids are screwed and I use the money for scratch lottery tickets.* That's why I try to find a sucker on the other side.
They don't say anything of value, college stats are pointless, to prove the point....
I'd argue the box score numbers say pretty much nothing for college prospects. Quality of opponent, scheme and quality of teammates vary so wildly in college it's a pointless exercise. Those numbers show me Jayden Daniels was a worthy Heisman winner, but that's it.
Daniels was a statistical monster while playing in the best conference in the country. He went up against four teams that finished in the top 10 in the rankings.
Allen wasn't very good when he got to the NFL anyway. Took him a couple of years to figure it out.
Most interesting quote I got out of that was Wolfe admitting they don't currently have an X receiver on the roster. Legette is likely an X they could target at 34 but I disagree that Coleman and Pearsall are X receivers. Coleman wasn't the X at FSU, that was Johnny Wilson and most analysts think he will be best suited as a big slot. Pearsall is likely a flanker or slot WR as well. Beyond Legette there won't be a lot of true X available past 34, Johnny Wilson would be a developmental X that should be there at 68 and outside chance at 103. Same with Burton and Javon Baker. Tez Walker and Brendan Rice are probably the other X WRs in this draft class that will be taken within the first 4-5 rds. A lot more options at flanker and slot than X. I do love Pearsall and think he would be a great fit in NE as a much better version of Juju so I hope they don't reach on an X out of need.
I think they try to solicit opinions from teams that don't have skin in the game, reasoning that Chicago or Washington or New England (or whoever is picking a QB) is either going to tell them nothing or be intentionally dishonest. Maybe some random team like Indianapolis or Green Bay or Kansas City will give them an honest opinion.
It has to be based on the evaluation, not the need. If they don't love Maye/JJ/whoever is at 3, they should trade back. Some team might love one of those guys more.
Agreed. But are they going to stick their necks out with their own evaluation, especially when the team trading up is certain to take the QB they have very publicly decided is not worth it.
I am color blind and tell those colors. I assume Malik and MHJ are in the X group you have, but making sure.
Yes - sorry about that.
No need to change for me, I can tell by dark and lighter. Usually I can see orange, but on the chart above I see 2 shades of gray... which we all know is 48 shades short.
I see it the opposite. The biggest risk with a QB is the opportunity cost - you're married for 2-3 years and you probably get fired if it doesn't work out. If you trade back and build a war chest, you might buy time. I don't think drafting a QB high is ever the "conservative approach."
Shouldn't they, though, if they have faith in their evaluations?
I expect a more conservative approach too. But, honestly, I prefer to have a FO that believes in their evaluations and convictions. I couldn't care less about a management group that's just in it to extend their careers
I don't think you buy time because a mediocre team with a mediocre journeyman QB is one of the least attractive combos in the sport and a lot of fans won't have that much goodwill or care all that much going into year 2 of the regime to find the QB. I believe people also look at picking a QB high as "well, they're trying to turn this around instead of treading water", which buys some grace with the fanbase. Either way year 2 is crucial, no matter what avenue you choose. If job security is the main concern you could be toast by year 3 with both approaches. Very easy to imagine the Patriots trading down, getting a haul, fortifying the OL, finding a receiver, only to end the year 8-9 and finding themselves in position to have to compromise future draft capital to trade up for a QB in 2025. Then what? It's all hard.
It is all hard. But taking a QB that you're lukewarm on doesn't make it any easier. Maybe it buys you the benefit of the doubt for a year, but that's about it if the guy isn't producing after that. I agree you could get fired constantly deferring the QB pick, too.
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That's pretty funny. How is Penix remotely like Tatum? I would say Maye is closer to being their Tatum if Washington is that high on Daniels and picks him.
