Wesley/Speier/Heyman: Red Sox believed to be possibly moving toward an agreement with Hanley Ramirez
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If they really do intend to sign both Hanley and Pablo, I would imagine that Hanley will be in left field primarily and will function as a back up third baseman and emergency shortstop. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea of the Sox signing both guys and also landing Lester, but holy shit would that be one hell of an off season of work. They'd still have to pull off some trades, of course. but this could go down as one of the most active and crazy winters in recent memory.
I just don't...
So if we put Hanley in LF, Sandoval at 3B and deal Cespedes for a starter, are we still in on Lester? And if we're going after Hanley Ramirez to be our shortstop so we can move Bogaerts for a pitcher, that just seems like a colossal waste of resources and I'll be absolutely livid.
My head hurts just thinking about this.
The good news, I suppose, is that with Napoli, Victorino, maybe Buchholz and Ortiz coming off the books by 2016, we can blow past the salary cap this season without penalty. Still, going down this path is worrisome.
So if we put Hanley in LF, Sandoval at 3B and deal Cespedes for a starter, are we still in on Lester? And if we're going after Hanley Ramirez to be our shortstop so we can move Bogaerts for a pitcher, that just seems like a colossal waste of resources and I'll be absolutely livid.
My head hurts just thinking about this.
The good news, I suppose, is that with Napoli, Victorino, maybe Buchholz and Ortiz coming off the books by 2016, we can blow past the salary cap this season without penalty. Still, going down this path is worrisome.
I think this is the end game if they do secure both Panda and Hanley. What if they use Cespedes to get Hamels and sign Lester...can it be done? The sploogefest on here would be epic!E5 Yaz said:
Hanley in LF, Sandoval at 3B, sign Lester, trade Cespedes + a young starter in a package for Iwakuma or another established #2/#3 starter. That'd be a heck of a line-up and not a bad rotation.
The money will look ugly in 2020 or so, though.
The money will look ugly in 2020 or so, though.
The Sox had no reported interest until Hanlet's agent announced he was willing to change positions. This is not about signing a Bogaerts replacement., more likely it's our new left fielder.Hank Scorpio said:
Not to mention the deals pending the Panda/Lester signings. At some point I feel they move past Lester if the reported twin move happens soon.Snodgrass'Muff said:
The "Ben has other moves he's waiting to roll out" rumor might actually be true. Maybe this is the start of quite a week.......
plucy said:
What manifesto? They didn't say they'd never spend big again, they just said they needed to be more careful about where and how they spend. And Lester is a home town guy so he's sort not really a free agent signing so much as a really delayed extension.
Lynchie said:
While I have trouble seeing it, it can absolutely happen. As has been pointed out a few times now, they can blow past the threshold this year if they intend to ease up next winter and allow expiring contracts to bring them back under again.
Been suspected they would overspend for 2015 only. They can return below the line for 2016 and would likely remain under for many years to come, even with these deals. The Revenue Sharing agreement allows teams to overspend one year, but never in subsequent years. With the revenue sharing windfall, I suspected they would spend big on one year guys this year as a safe route to competing in 2015, and bringing to Swihart, possibly Marrero and the lefties in 2016. If they add this much talent, (Lester, Sandoval, Hanley, hopefully Miller) any one of the rumored pitchers could be attained in deals.snowmanny said:
WARNING: SPITBALLING, IRRATIONAL THOUGHT:
Red Sox sign Panda and HanRam.
Red Sox trade Betts, Bogaerts, Owens, and Barnes to CHW for Chris Sale.
Red Sox sign Panda and HanRam.
Red Sox trade Betts, Bogaerts, Owens, and Barnes to CHW for Chris Sale.
So the lineup could potentially be something like...
RF - Betts
2B - Pedroia
DH - Ortiz
LF - Ramirez
3B - Sandoval
1B - Napoli
SS - Bogaerts
CF - Castillo
C - Vazquez
Crazy. But I fear it won't make enough difference if the rotation doesn't add one top starter and one very good starter. An alternate possibility in that line up is Cespedes in LF, Hanley at 1B and Napoli moved for a starter.
RF - Betts
2B - Pedroia
DH - Ortiz
LF - Ramirez
3B - Sandoval
1B - Napoli
SS - Bogaerts
CF - Castillo
C - Vazquez
Crazy. But I fear it won't make enough difference if the rotation doesn't add one top starter and one very good starter. An alternate possibility in that line up is Cespedes in LF, Hanley at 1B and Napoli moved for a starter.
Hank Scorpio said:
After watching so many WMB/JBJ back-to-backs last season, I can't even wrap my head around that lineup.
I wouldn't do it. That's a big overpay but it's what the White Sox would need in order to move Sale.SoxFanForsyth said:
Why are we crediting Heyman for taking a tweet by the same guy he took the Stanton news from, both without attribution or anything added?
Now I know Hanley may not being the easiest personality, and his defense at third is definitely a potential concern, but the man has the type of elite bat that is increasingly rare in this league. I mean, it's something of a joke how people keep talking about the Sox moving Sandoval's declining bat to 1B or DH as he ages when the guy didn't even hit well enough even last year to be an adequate bat at either of those positions. With Hanley any move is more plausible because he has the type of bat that can play anywhere. In 2014 Hanley's .817 OPS would not only have been good enough to be the third best in the Majors (after Beltre and Rendon) at third but also would have been 8th at 1B and second in in LF (2014 was an abysmal year for LF). Even more impressive, he did that in what is probably the worst park in the league for right-handed power hitters.
I'm with you. I'm thinking they have indications that Pablo is going back to SF and are moving quickly on plan B.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I think Hanley could be a passable 3B with enough reps. Hard to pass up that kind of offensive despite the warts
Cellar-Door said:
Gotta give credit to that Jake Wesley kid, but at the same time it's kind of hard to believe something he comes out with, Stanton deal non-withstanding. At this point though, he's probably worth paying attention to. Very likely he has a relative in Wasserman.
I feel like the chance BOS signs Hanley, Pablo AND Lester is somewhere below 10%, but if ownership wants to make a big splash and doesn't think the 3/39 plan is going to work this offseason, this would do it. Is is Carl Crawford all over again? Yeah, kind of, but between that kind of off-season and the kind where we end up with Headley and Ervin Santana, I know which one's going to sell tickets and juice the NESN ratings. Truth is, we don't really know the team's internal finances and how badly they were hurt by 2014. Could be there's an edict for Ben to spend big and fix things NOW.
SoxFanForsyth said:
Jeez, come on man. What kind of proposal is this? You forgot to add Ortiz and Pedroia to your list, that'd close that silly loop.
I'm really having trouble believing they would sign both Panda and Hanley. I'm guessing they offered similar contracts to both and Hanley was willing to commit first.
Except for the fact Hanley is right-handed, he really makes a lot more sense than Sandoval. He can play 3B for a year and shift to LF in 2016 when Ceccini is ready and Cespedes departs.
Except for the fact Hanley is right-handed, he really makes a lot more sense than Sandoval. He can play 3B for a year and shift to LF in 2016 when Ceccini is ready and Cespedes departs.
That kid was retweeting a guy named Chris Meola, some FLA marketing guy who broke the Stanton contract details at least a day before any mainstream writer.Hank Scorpio said:
Number of games played last 6 years: 92, 157, 93, 64, 86, 128. Hope the anticipated move to the OF (a position he has never played in ML) keeps him off the DL. Otherwise, pass.
Hanley in left is an outstanding idea. Protected by the monster, can use his speed to make up for bad reads, keeps him fresh and healthy taking him off short. We know what he can do when healthy, last two seasons: 215 games, .308/.382/.525 156 OPS+ while playing more than half his games in Dodger Stadium, Petco and AT&T.
Nothing like Crawford. All 3 have played in big markets and have played in big games. I have no problem giving 5 year deals to Sandoval Hanley while shelling out money for Lester since he's a known commodity. Hanley without his injury issues is an MVP candidate.Why Not Grebeck? said:
This is what I was thinking. Heyman's language is so provisional, it's as if he doesn't want to be totally left out if the "rumor" is true. Meanwhile, this stuff is giving me a headache. One can imagine so many disappointing outcomes.Cellar-Door said:
They probably think the price is out of hand on Sandoval and want to go shorter years with Hanley and just live with whatever his defense is at third.
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