2011 was such a fluke, he should've been gone already.WayBackVazquez said:This has got to be the end of the road for Coughlin, right?
WayBackVazquez said:This has got to be the end of the road for Coughlin, right?
I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.WayBackVazquez said:This has got to be the end of the road for Coughlin, right?
maufman said:I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.
I'm winning by .14 with Williams vs Beckham and Fleener.CaptainLaddie said:Here I am, watching football and caring.
Thank you, fantasy football.
They wanted to first get it to a 2 score game. Right or wrong, teams always do this.PseuFighter said:erm, why didn't they go for 2 just now?
Damnit I thought he might've fumbled. I'm going to lost by .76. Needed that one point from starting Gore over Sproles.Deathofthebambino said:OMFG, Colts challenge first down ruling on Beckham's catch, and win, and get the ball back. So help me God, if the Colts kick a field goal here, I'm going to break something. A tie sucks, but under the circumstances, I'll take it.
Wondering the same?? So confused.Dollar said:WTF was Beckham Jr. doing on that punt???
maufman said:I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.
Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Noll, Flores, Walsh, Gibbs, Parcells, Johnson, Seifert, Shanahan, Belichick, Coughlin. I might have missed one.WayBackVazquez said:
This is kind of an extremely small sample, isn't it? How many multiple Super Bowl winners who have failed to make the playoffs in five of six years did not get fired?
The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."WayBackVazquez said:Belichick failed to make the playoffs five times in six seasons and didn't get fired? I must have missed that stretch.
The answer is, pretty much none. No multiple SB-winning coach has experienced an extended level of suck--especially in the wild card era--like Coughlin. He won't be back next year; whether they move him to the front office, or he "retires," he will not be welcomed back.
maufman said:The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."
Even when the sixth year is a Super Bowl win, and where one of the other five is a 10-6 season?WayBackVazquez said:
Missing the playoffs in five of six seasons in the wild card era is enough of an extended level of suck that every coach who presides over such a period is shown the door.
maufman said:Even when the sixth year is a Super Bowl win, and where one of the other five is a 10-6 season?
Aren't the Rooneys known for their patience with coaches?maufman said:The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."
As I said, owners are less patient than they used to be, and Coughlin's success was more fluky than the other multiple winners, so I don't think he can muddle through for another four or five years without some positive results, but if he isn't back in 2015, it will be his choice.
Edit: The second half of Chuck Noll's tenure in Pittsburgh was as unimpressive as anything on Coughlin's resume, but as I said, owners aren't as patient as they once were.
Weren't they 9-7 both super bowl seasons as well?WayBackVazquez said:
Do you at all recall that he was widely thought to be on the verge of shitcanning before the 2nd Super Bowl? He hadn't even had losing seasons at that point. And he was coming off of one of those magical, 10-win, no playoff seasons.
lars10 said:Weren't they 9-7 both super bowl seasons as well?
edit: and being in NYC I can definitely say that before they won the super bowl it was widely speculated that he was done here.
In 2011 there were Giants fans calling into WFAN and wondering if it was even worth it to make the playoffs, since they were certain to lose early anyway and wouldn't it be better just to lose a couple at the end of the regular season and get a better draft pick.54thMA said:
They were 10-6 when they beat the 16-0 Patriots, 9-7 when they won for a second time vs the Patriots.
He was a goal line stand vs the Redskins away from being fired in 2007; they won that game, he stayed on as coach and the rest is history sadly.