Dan Connolly disagreesNothing good happens when a fat guy thinks he can score a 50 yard touchdown.
Dan Connolly disagreesNothing good happens when a fat guy thinks he can score a 50 yard touchdown.
So they both get a bye.Now Raiders get bye before Mexico while Pats go to Denver.
No, I’m saying the Pats aren’t anything close to a great team either. There isn’t one this year, anywhere in the league.It would be interesting. But you are not suggesting the Pats would “throttle” the Eagles, are you? In all our SB wins, the Pats have never “throttled” any opponent.
Lol, HOU-IND over DEN-PHI?
I'll take Wentz v. DEN D and the return of the Brockdragon over a Tom Savage checkdown party.
So after MM mocked my rankings of least-unwatchable games yesterday, I'm going to assume that he preferred to "take" watching the Denver "D" in the same way that a 6-year-old enjoys stepping on ants and messing up an anthill - the joyful glee of watching something once-beautiful get ruined and humiliated, by a power they can barely comprehend, let alone stop. 51 points, good lord what a curbstomping.The Denver Broncos have given up 19 more points than the New England Patriots this season.
Let that sink in.
What's Belichick's record when Brady isn't the starter? Dungy's record when Manning isn't the starter? Jimmy Johnson's record when Aikman isn't the starter? Caroll's record when Wilson isn't the starter? You can play this game all day and conclude that there has never been a good coach in NFL history, except maybe Don Shula.Fisher's record when McNair is the starter: 76-55
Fisher's record when McNair isn't the starter: 97-110
Andy Reid is lifetime 11-12 in the playoffs, across 19 years as a head coach. That's a sad story only if you believe that "everyone sucks but Belichick", which to be fair is a reasonable position to take, particularly if you remember the Cleveland Browns' last playoff win.Can anyone buy Tomlin not being outsmarted by the Pats coaching staff? Plus playoff Andy Reid is a sad story.
By this game, Joe Gibbs is #1. Three SBs with 3 QBs.Also:
What's Belichick's record when Brady isn't the starter? Dungy's record when Manning isn't the starter? Jimmy Johnson's record when Aikman isn't the starter? Caroll's record when Wilson isn't the starter? You can play this game all day and conclude that there has never been a good coach in NFL history, except maybe Don Shula.
Sometimes positive factors build on each other. Fisher was regarded as a good coach in the aughts not only because McNair was covering up some flaws but also because Fisher oversaw a good defense, had creative plays (remember that fake punt return for a TD vs Seattle, which Belichick himself tried to copy in the Super Bowl?), didn't obviously fuck things up like clock management or challenges, got all 46 players playing hard and focused, etc. His run of giving-sufficient-fucks about his job may have ended sometime during his Rams tenure, and he might be a loathsome individual (as if we're rooting for choir boys elsewhere), but you can't exactly make some cherry-picked divide and say "look, if you take away all the success he's had, he's never had much success!" and act like it's some brilliant insight.
Hey, Belichick took the Cleveland Browns (The Cleveland Browns) to the playoffs and actually WON a playoff game and also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell in 2008. I'm not sure you can use his track record as a reason why coaches only do well with great QB's.Also:
What's Belichick's record when Brady isn't the starter? Dungy's record when Manning isn't the starter? Jimmy Johnson's record when Aikman isn't the starter? Caroll's record when Wilson isn't the starter? You can play this game all day and conclude that there has never been a good coach in NFL history, except maybe Don Shula.
Sometimes positive factors build on each other. Fisher was regarded as a good coach in the aughts not only because McNair was covering up some flaws but also because Fisher oversaw a good defense, had creative plays (remember that fake punt return for a TD vs Seattle, which Belichick himself tried to copy in the Super Bowl?), didn't obviously fuck things up like clock management or challenges, got all 46 players playing hard and focused, etc. His run of giving-sufficient-fucks about his job may have ended sometime during his Rams tenure, and he might be a loathsome individual (as if we're rooting for choir boys elsewhere), but you can't exactly make some cherry-picked divide and say "look, if you take away all the success he's had, he's never had much success!" and act like it's some brilliant insight.
I did enjoy Wentz dismantle the Denver D, yes, which is a top 2-3 unit. If you compare their performance to date to the historic run they went on in 2015, then you're bound to be unimpressed. I enjoy watching Wentz and hate Denver, so I loved it.So after MM mocked my rankings of least-unwatchable games yesterday, I'm going to assume that he preferred to "take" watching the Denver "D" in the same way that a 6-year-old enjoys stepping on ants and messing up an anthill - the joyful glee of watching something once-beautiful get ruined and humiliated, by a power they can barely comprehend, let alone stop. 51 points, good lord what a curbstomping.
HOU-IND wasn't exactly the peak of football watchability, but at least they were two teams of roughly (and predictably) equal caliber, at this point in the National Injury League's season.
You’re a good advocate. Good to very good is fair. I’d put it a bit differently — good for a long time. Which certainly is better than average, especially the long time part and especially considering Fisher is the spiritual child of Buddy Ryan.In his 4 full seasons with the Rams, he won 7, 7, 6, and 7 games. Slightly less than half the teams in the league would have preferred such a result each year. I'd call that the very definition of mediocre. One of his hallmarks, frankly, appears to have been the ability to avoid total suckage, year in and year out. There were a number of years where he had a terrible roster and squeezed 6 or 7 wins out of them, never bottoming out. He always put a decent product on the field and got them playing hard for him. Sustainable mediocrity is, frankly, performing pretty well in a league where the actually-great coaches like Belichick, Reid and Carroll are consistently taking double-digit wins from the rest of the league.
As SFIC stated, Rams fans initially appreciated the rise to mediocrity, but then came to realize that having reached that, they should aspire to more. It was time for him to go. But ask them whether they preferred the 2007-2011 No-Hoper Era to the 2012-15 Fisher Mediocrity era - I doubt you'd find many takers.
(I'll end my side of the dialogue here, and go take a shower after standing up for Jeff fucking Fisher...)
7, 7, 6, and 7 wins isn't good to very good. It's below average and sustained mediocrity.You’re a good advocate. Good to very good is fair. I’d put it a bit differently — good for a long time. Which certainly is better than average, especially the long time part and especially considering Fisher is the spiritual child of Buddy Ryan.
As for games yesterday — KC at Dallas was terrific and I felt fortunate that they aired it in DC.
While at least a half dozen teams each individual year would be happy with 7 wins, over the course of 4 years that is horrible. I am trying to find composite standings from 2012-2015, but I am guessing that the Rams 27-37 record over those 4 years is bottom 5 in the NFL.In his 4 full seasons with the Rams, he won 7, 7, 6, and 7 games. Slightly less than half the teams in the league would have preferred such a result each year. I'd call that the very definition of mediocre. One of his hallmarks, frankly, appears to have been the ability to avoid total suckage, year in and year out. There were a number of years where he had a terrible roster and squeezed 6 or 7 wins out of them, never bottoming out. He always put a decent product on the field and got them playing hard for him. Sustainable mediocrity is, frankly, performing pretty well in a league where the actually-great coaches like Belichick, Reid and Carroll are consistently taking double-digit wins from the rest of the league.
As SFIC stated, Rams fans initially appreciated the rise to mediocrity, but then came to realize that having reached that, they should aspire to more. It was time for him to go. But ask them whether they preferred the 2007-2011 No-Hoper Era to the 2012-15 Fisher Mediocrity era - I doubt you'd find many takers.
(I'll end my side of the dialogue here, and go take a shower after standing up for Jeff fucking Fisher...)
Close; it's seventh-worst.While at least a half dozen teams each individual year would be happy with 7 wins, over the course of 4 years that is horrible. I am trying to find composite standings from 2012-2015, but I am guessing that the Rams 27-37 record over those 4 years is bottom 5 in the NFL.
Thanks. Seems disingenuous to not include 2016 though. They sucked last year and he was a huge part of that. Not too many teams would want to trade place with the Rams over the last five years.Close; it's seventh-worst.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=2012&year_max=2015&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&c1stat=points&c1comp=gte&c1val=0&c5val=1.0&order_by=points_diff
Rams 27-36-1; Washington 26-38, Tampa and Cleveland 19-45 (yuck), Tennessee and Oakland 18-46 (gross) and Jacksonville 14-50 which is mind-blowing.
EDIT: to Insta's point, it's a bad record but not an embarrassing one. He's basically as close to #10 SF (.570 WP) as #28 CLE / TB (0.297)
As the board's resident Rams fan, it goes way beyond 5 years. Since making (and getting blown out by SF in) the NFC Championship game following the 1989 season, four years during the Greatest Show on Turf era are the only ones that ended with a winning record. There were two 8-8 records in there (including the last time making the playoffs in 2004). Every other seasons was a losing one. This period included the team moving twice (only Georgia would move a team from Los Angeles to St. Louis), and me having the joyful experience of losing Super Bowl XXXVI to all of my Boston friends on the last play of the game, over 2 years before we got the chance to celebrate the Red Sox title together.Thanks. Seems disingenuous to not include 2016 though. They sucked last year and he was a huge part of that. Not too many teams would want to trade place with the Rams over the last five years.
Gruden is not good.Guy gets unnecessary roughness call. Replay shows him pushing at guys throat and then jamming face mask/head butting guy.
Gruden: I don't see it. I hope there is something more.
Then later on: we don't need to see anymore fighting after this weekend. Hope they keep that under control.
Ummm that is what they were doing by calling the play before.
In New England? It's 19-19Also:
What's Belichick's record when Brady isn't the starter?
I think that's pretty close to accurate. For me, the true Eli of head coaches is Sean Payton down in New Orleans. That's a guy who has had one of the greatest QB's in NFL history for his entire 11 year career, and outside of the Super Bowl year, he has exactly 3 playoff wins, and a total of 5 playoff appearances (including the SB year). In the last 3 years, they've gone 7-9 in all three.Basically, he is the Eli of coaches.