The running down the field after an incompletion/fake interception and all of the celebrating after that wasn't a flag tho.There was no taunt
The running down the field after an incompletion/fake interception and all of the celebrating after that wasn't a flag tho.There was no taunt
Do the refs not all work for the same organization? We here 'points of emphasis' every year.. do we think that each group of refs acts differently/on their own?So an entirely different crew got together and said "Because of the mistakes of our colleagues, we're going to screw over another team and make things right." Or does this go all the way up to the league office? Will the Patriots get all the calls next week to make up for this game? Is this the manner in which all games are reffed, making up for the previous week's mistakes?
This is one of those moments where you should never think something's a conspiracy when the obvious answer is incompetence.
Do you work with people who aren't very good at their job? Are you responsible for everything they do? Do you approach every problem and challenge the same way because you go through the same training? Do you perceive every conversation the exact same? Yes, they all work for the same org, but each crew is an autonomous decision making organism.Do the refs not all work for the same organization? We here 'points of emphasis' every year.. do we think that each group of refs acts differently/on their own?
You’re probably wasting your time. When I started officiating a coach emailed my boss stating he had “undeniable proof” that I had fixed a game between 7 year olds. I didn’t even remember the game.This is one of those moments where you should never think something's a conspiracy when the obvious answer is incompetence.
I've never worked for an organization worth billions, is televised every Sunday etc, etc. Also these are theoretically the best of the best.. not sure how many crews there are..but probably less than 100 people? And they definitely get directives..not saying it's how each game should go..but points of emphasis.. or meetings with teams to discuss what to look out for, etc. And I'm sure they have management from the NFL/NY that are giving them instructions.Do you work with people who aren't very good at their job? Are you responsible for everything they do? Do you approach every problem and challenge the same way because you go through the same training? Do you perceive every conversation the exact same? Yes, they all work for the same org, but each crew is an autonomous decision making organism.
I mean.. not like we've ever had a pro ref fix or bet on a game... and I'm sure there was a lot of money on your game between 7 yr olds..You’re probably wasting your time. When I started officiating a coach emailed my boss stating he had “undeniable proof” that I had fixed a game between 7 year olds. I didn’t even remember the game.
There are 30 coaches who are supposedly the best of the best, and they make a lot of boneheaded decisions during the course of their games. Size of an org/success of an org/ "Best talent" - none of it matters. Any collection of people is going to be difficult to manage and standardize one POV.I've never worked for an organization worth billions, is televised every Sunday etc, etc. Also these are theoretically the best of the best.. not sure how many crews there are..but probably less than 100 people? And they definitely get directives..not saying it's how each game should go..but points of emphasis.. or meetings with teams to discuss what to look out for, etc. And I'm sure they have management from the NFL/NY that are giving them instructions.
I just don't believe every crew is autonomous from the NFL.. maybe from every other ref group, but def all under the same banner.
So the point of emphasis this week was for the refs working our game to be corrupt and make sure they called a slew of bogus penalties that favored the Dolphins?Do the refs not all work for the same organization? We here 'points of emphasis' every year.. do we think that each group of refs acts differently/on their own?
Parker helmet to helmet missed call was egregious. If called NE is set up in Miami territory. Still think Miami wins but officials with about 7 points of assistance for the home team.I think Miami got the benefit of a few calls, but they were also rawdogged last week by the officials in an almost unheard of fashion in prime time in front of the entire nation.
I think the JC Jackson call was ticky tack, and the illegal man downfield could have gone either way. Surprising that they picked it up, but not egregious.
The rest seemed fine.
I’m officially on ABTD position. Like if they’re playing even the Stillers or the Ravens or the Chiefs at the AFcCg I’m rooting agains the FinsIt might be because of the trolls on this site, but I just absolutely despise Miami. Need to win today.
I’d love to see this play…but I’ll admit I’m a little wary because “Helmet to helmet” is not and never has been a foulParker helmet to helmet missed call was egregious. If called NE is set up in Miami territory. Still think Miami wins but officials with about 7 points of assistance for the home team.
Wow, I mean, it doesn't get any more textbook than that. Crystal clear, right out in the open.
Is it similar to how face guarding isn't really a thing?I’d love to see this play…but I’ll admit I’m a little wary because “Helmet to helmet” is not and never has been a foul
I think that happened this year once in the Pats favor, actually. But usually when a flag is picked up, you can kind of understand why it happened. Here the replay showed why the flag was justified.I’ve obviously seen many plays where flags were picked up, but not sure I have ever seen one picked up after the penalty was actually announced, like the one today.
Yeah you don't need me to tell you that's a foul. But not because it's helmet to helmet, but because it's forcible contact to the head of a defenseless player.
That doesnt even account for a blatant late hit out of bounds on Henry on the 1st drive, that would have resulted in 15 yards and a 1st down.SJH is exactly right. Yep, the Pats would have lost anyway. Miami is materially better. But it doesn't take a Pats Homer to know that the head to head hit on Parker should have been called and was obvious during live action, and that JC Jackson did not commit PI on that play. The Zebras also picked up a flag for illegal man downfield when the replay clearly showed that one of the Fins linemen was in fact illegally down field. I didm't see that while it happened as I did with the first two. But it also looked quite egregious to me.
Whenever any fan base points out a series of bad calls and says that the refs were one sided or inept, it brings out the predictable response that the fans saying that are yahoos and whiny.
Sometimes the calls ARE one sided and wrong. This was one of those days.
I'm glad someone mentioned this, what a horseshit non call that was among others that were missed.That doesnt even account for a blatant late hit out of bounds on Henry on the 1st drive, that would have resulted in 15 yards and a 1st down.
To be clear I am not saying in any way it is happening here, but for all the arguments of "nfl officials are in a massive conspiracy to rig a specific game for the league" and "it's all incompetence up and down the chain", this is a third possibility that should probably be considered as a possibility, albeit really on a conspiracy level for the info we have.I mean.. not like we've ever had a pro ref fix or bet on a game... and I'm sure there was a lot of money on your game between 7 yr olds..
That's the kind of missed call that should result in the league sitting down with the officiating crew and possibly suspending the closest official for a game. Player safety is more important than any secondary considerations of such an action.
Nevermind that the officials jobs are collectively bargained, so the NFL has no ability to do such a thing. But how would sitting a guy down make him better for the next game? It's like when BB sits RBs who fumble. How does that make them less likely to fumble next time?That's the kind of missed call that should result in the league sitting down with the officiating crew and possibly suspending the closest official for a game. Player safety is more important than any secondary considerations of such an action.
Yeah, a suspension alone probably won't make the ref better. It might, but probably won't. That said, I do think the NFL should do a much deeper week over week dive into understanding why this stuff happens. There's value in trying to figure out why this stuff happens. Every industry has to deal with how to help people stop making mistakes. On a superficial level, I guess it's easy to say "how do you tell someone not to make a mistake," but it's not as simple as that. NASA clearly thinks there are ways. So do surgeons and hospitals, etc. I'm sure the NFL does too, but when it comes to officiating, it seems to me it's getting worse and worse. I don't think it's because officials are getting worse. Maybe they are. But things are definitely deteriorating (as compared, for example, to hockey and baseball, where things are actually getting better -- not perfect but better.)Nevermind that the officials jobs are collectively bargained, so the NFL has no ability to do such a thing. But how would sitting a guy down make him better for the next game? It's like when BB sits RBs who fumble. How does that make them less likely to fumble next time?
Don't mistake my post as to think I think officiating can't get better. I have LOADS of thoughts on how to do that. First and probably most important would be to fix the grading system. I believe Walt Anderson brought his system from the Big12 to the NFL, but it was based on the current NFL system of the time anyways. You get more of the behavior you reward.Yeah, a suspension alone probably won't make the ref better. It might, but probably won't. That said, I do think the NFL should do a much deeper week over week dive into understanding why this stuff happens. There's value in trying to figure out why this stuff happens. Every industry has to deal with how to help people stop making mistakes. On a superficial level, I guess it's easy to say "how do you tell someone not to make a mistake," but it's not as simple as that. NASA clearly thinks there are ways. So do surgeons and hospitals, etc. I'm sure the NFL does too, but when it comes to officiating, it seems to me it's getting worse and worse. I don't think it's because officials are getting worse. Maybe they are. But things are definitely deteriorating (as compared, for example, to hockey and baseball, where things are actually getting better -- not perfect but better.)
If the idea is player safety, and if you determine that calling penalties properly will make things incrementally safer, then you do what enterprises who do not want mistakes to be made in the future do about it. You have an after-action review, where you figure out what happened, why it happened, and what can be done about it. If you have an incompetent ref, then you get a new one. If mechanics are fucked up so that refs can't see these calls, and you care enough, you train on new mechanics. If the guy did everything by the book, but just didn't see it because the game is too fast, that's good information to have if nothing else to make informed decisions about replay, etc.
If our view is solely, yeah, refs kick calls, shit happens, and they aren't going to fix anything even if you talk to them, then you do nothing. And obviously, you can only do what the CBA permits, but the idea that you just throw your hands up because fuck it mistakes happen and can't be prevented, then you're pretty much ensuring mistakes will continue to happen.
I'm not saying you call the guy on the carpet and think yelling at him will make it better. Although, actually, it might. None of us knows why the guy whose responsibility to make the call kicked it. You probably have a better insight than the rest of us, but still won't know. Maybe the league does this kind of after-action review between seasons or whatever. I kind of like week to week analysis. Why did you call it this way. What did you think you saw. Why do you think you missed it. What can be done to make sure others don't miss it in the same way. Maybe the league doesn't care, because it doesn't want to acknowledge a problem. Maybe it thinks that whether or not you call the penalty won't improve player safety. They are not exactly transparent.