True Playoff Records

ivanvamp

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Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are often compared in terms of stats and winning.  Manning's superior stats are touted by his supporters as to why he is better than Brady.  And Brady's superior winning is touted by his supporters as to why he is better than Manning.
 
One area of comparison that is often mentioned is postseason winning.  Let's compare the raw numbers:
 
Manning:  23 games, 11-12, .478
Brady:  26 games, 18-8, .692
 
So right off the top, Brady's postseason numbers dominate, obviously.  However, one thing to consider is the bye factor.  That is, if you finish with a 1 or 2 seed, obviously you get a first round bye.  And really, a first round bye is a "free" win.  It's free because you don't have to play a game to advance to the divisional round.  You just get there by virtue of being the 1 or 2 seed.  Of course, it's not "free" because you have to be one of the two best teams in your conference over a 16 game schedule in order to get that "free" win.  So it's hard-earned, perhaps even more so than an actual wild card round victory, since it's won over the course of a grueling season instead of one single anything-can-happen game.
 
Manning has had byes in 7 seasons:  
- #1 seed:  05-06, 09-10, 12-13, 13-14
- #2 seed:  99-00, 07-08, 14-15
 
Brady has had byes in 9 seasons:
- #1 seed:  03-04, 07-08, 10-11, 11-12, 14-15
- #2 seed:  01-02, 04-05, 12-13, 13-14
 
So if you add these games as "wins", here are their adjusted playoff records:
 
Manning:  30 games, 18-12, .600
Brady:  35 games, 27-8, .771
 
Now, I don't think that if either the Patriots or Colts/Broncos had played all 16 of those extra games, that they would have won them all.  However, the point is that they did not have to play them, because they earned an automatic win in those rounds.  
 
Let's see how Brady stacks up to other great QBs….
 
Brady:  Was:  18-8 (.692).  Adjusted:  18 wins, 9 byes, 8 losses = 27-8 (.771)
Manning:  Was:  11-12 (.478).  Adjusted:  11 wins, 7 byes, 12 losses = 18-12 (.600)
Montana:  Was:  16-7 (.696).  Adjusted:  16 wins, 7 byes, 7 losses = 23-7 (.767)
Elway:  Was:  14-8 (.636).  Adjusted:  14 wins, 7 byes, 8 losses = 21-8 (.724)
Bradshaw:  Was:  14-5 (.737).  Adjusted:  14 wins, 2 byes, 5 losses = 16-5 (.762)
 
Brady's 9 byes are the most in the Super Bowl era.  It gives him the greatest adjusted playoff winning percentage in history (minimum 10 games), heading into this postseason.  
 
And this really isn't a "gimmick" idea.  It's very real.  Getting that first round bye IS essentially earning a free win.  It means not only don't you have to play that first round playoff game, but it guarantees that your first game (which is in the second round of the playoffs) is played at home.  
 

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It's not really fair to compare QBs from the era of 10 playoff teams to QB s from the era of 12 playoff teams. 50% more teams got byes back then.
 

NortheasternPJ

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The most staggering stat is the number of One and Done's in their careers:
 
Manning: 8
Elway: 4
Montana: 4
Bradshaw: 3
Brady: 2
 
Tom Brady's .500 playoff record since 2004 is often touted by the media here as he's fallen off, not clutch whatever they want the narrative to be. However, if you get the Bye as you've stated, you miss the worst opponents so the chance to improve a playoff record is greatly diminished. Unless you make the Super Bowl every year, you're going to have close to a .500 playoff record.
 
On the other hand, you always get a home playoff game. It's amazing that between the 2006 AFC Championship and the 2013 AFC Championship, the Patriots didn't play a single playoff game on the road (Super Bowls excluded) and made the playoffs every year but 1.
 
Brady's recent Super Bowl Record: 0-2 is often brought up as well. It's like he's been penalized for losing the Super Bowl more so than others who don't ever get there. I'd love to see some sort of analysis for a weighting system that gives weight to Wild Card Round vs Division vs Championship Round vs Super Bowls.
 

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I am reflexively against crediting wins for games not played and won. I also think it's unfair to compare across eras. Finally, TB will have to win another SB before I'd be inclined to anoint him playoff GOAT QB over Montana.

But interesting thread nonetheless.
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
On the other hand, you always get a home playoff game. It's amazing that between the 2006 AFC Championship and the 2013 AFC Championship, the Patriots didn't play a single playoff game on the road (Super Bowls excluded) and made the playoffs every year but 1.
 
We all know that QB's aren't solely respsonsible for wins and losses, but the staggering thing on the surface about Manning's number is that his team was favored in 7 of the 8 games. Fair or not, that's not a positive legacy-builder. If it's cold in a couple of weekends in Denver, I wouldn't at all be surprised if we're talking about 8 of 9.
 
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Brady's recent Super Bowl Record: 0-2 is often brought up as well. It's like he's been penalized for losing the Super Bowl more so than others who don't ever get there. I'd love to see some sort of analysis for a weighting system that gives weight to Wild Card Round vs Division vs Championship Round vs Super Bowls.
 
I did this last year:
 

 
edit: you can adjust the 2013 line based on the actual results post-Divisional round.  Two more points to Denver, one for San Francisco, and one for Gryffindor New England.
 

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Well of Brady's 8 playoff losses he was probably favored in all but the games at Denver in 05 and Indy in 06 right? Edit: and Denver 13. So I guess only 5 of 8?

More interesting would be their records as underdogs.

Also 2 of the Brady favored losses were in Super Bowls. So Brady has lost as a home favorite 3 times by my count vs. what 6 for Peyton?
 

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tims4wins said:
Well of Brady's 8 playoff losses he was probably favored in all but the games at Denver in 05 and Indy in 06 right? Edit: and Denver 13. So I guess only 5 of 8?

More interesting would be their records as underdogs.

Also 2 of the Brady favored losses were in Super Bowls. So Brady has lost as a home favorite 3 times by my count vs. what 6 for Peyton?
 
I believe Pats were underdogs in all 3 in 2001, both Colts games in 03/04, in Pitt in 04, in San Diego in 06. So 7 times, against...is it only 3 losses (both @ Den, @Indy)? I don't think they've won as an underdog since San Diego. In fact, I think they only game they've been an underdog since 06 is the AFCCG last year.
 
I also don't think the Pats are favored in 2011 if the true extent of Gronk's injury is known pre-game. It's probably a straight pick-em.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
I believe Pats were underdogs in all 3 in 2001, both Colts games in 03/04, in Pitt in 04, in San Diego in 06. So 7 times, against...is it only 3 losses (both @ Den, @Indy)? I don't think they've won as an underdog since San Diego. In fact, I think they only game they've been an underdog since 06 is the AFCCG last year.
 
I also don't think the Pats are favored in 2011 if the true extent of Gronk's injury is known pre-game. It's probably a straight pick-em.
 
Here's a full list of Brady / Manning lines
 
http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/nfl/2012-10-06/broncos-vs-patriots-point-spread-odds-vegas-betting-line-manning-brady-history
 
I'm shocked looking back that the Pats were favored in 03 and pick 'em in 04 against the Colts. My memory is probably just slanted towards what me and Rodney believed. THEY ARE ALL AGAINST US!