Trade Deadline Approach
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Story missed all this year and played only 92 games last year. Fact. And there was talk his arm was weak in Colorado. Will he come back at full strength and help the team? I hope so. But I wouldn't bet money on it.
Last year he was a .238 hitter. I hope his health had something to do with that.
If he makes a move that improves the team and helps them win and doesn't materially compromise the future, how is that a no-win situation?
which they did last trade deadline and players like Xander complained about the players that were moved out.....
so....
"The Los Angeles Dodgers and Detroit Tigers had a trade in place for left-handed starter Eduardo Rodriguez, but Rodriguez invoked his 10-team no-trade clause that included the Dodgers and the deal is now dead, sources tell ESPN."
Man, Eduardo really hates the Tigers, sticking it to them again
Man, Eduardo really hates the Tigers, sticking it to them again
If they aren't stupid, then they should understand that a GM has a larger job than just acquiring a couple guys they've heard of to make them feel warm & fuzzy regardless of the price?
I'd give them Chase Meidroth for him.
(Hard to tell in this thread, but that was a joke. I'd give a lot more than that)
Who cares how much money you would bet?
Again, he broke his wrist after he got struck by a pitch. That's not injury-proneness, that's bad luck.
As for his batting average, he was still a league-average bat at a position where that's excellent.
Im hopeful the UCL repairs will fix some of his issues over the last couple years as a hitter. I would guess it was affecting his bat speed, but there's no way to be sure.
Look, I get the pessimistic case, but what's stopping you from even considering the optimistic case? And the facts, for God's sake?
Probably ends the MI stuff with St. Louis.
View: https://twitter.com/lworthysports/status/1686479518318448642?s=46
View: https://twitter.com/lworthysports/status/1686479518318448642?s=46
Now there’s an idea. Even if Eddie opts in, the rest of his contract isn’t exactly unreasonable in this market.
I have considered the optimistic case. And I hope Story comes back strong and injury free. We will see.
To win championships. Their betting odds are 55-1 (with juice & a large market).
Nothing at all, they very well could be.
Speculating here but I wonder if there are any geographic considerations involved with the personal family issues E-Rod dealt with last year.
Where is a deal that helps them win both now and in the future? It may not exist. But it's very likely the kind of deal that Bloom is holding out for. If he can't find it, he may well not make a deal. And in that case, it will have been his judgment that not making a deal was the best deal available.
Adding new players by definition also means players from the current roster have to go. In addition to the 4 that are already going to have to go as injured guys come back
The current players could start by catching the ball better and not running the bases like idiots.
Can’t they just play baseball? I have a hard time believing they will alter their approach because the outcome did or did not meet the prevailing media narratives about the deadline
Yeah, I just want them to play.
Whatever the inning, whoever is winning, it's all the same.
Where some of us are exhorting Chaim to "just do *something*!", I tend to take the opposite approach. I look at San Diego, 52-55, 5 GB in the wildcard race, who traded for 1B Choi (hitting .166 in less than 40 games), and SP Hill, ERA 4.76. These guys are going to put them over the top!? I hope the 3 players they traded don't amount to anything because that is a lost-cause trade.
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I've heard several former player/current color guys talking about how gut wrenching the trade deadline is for players thinking that they might get traded to who-knows-where. Certain players will actually be relieved and looser once they're still with the Sox after the deadline passes. And some of their friends might be too.
Message board posters?No offense, but I can't think of a more famously mercurial group than actors.
Writers, maybe?
How many players with actual term have been moved? I know Verlander is one. Soto last year. But in general I'm sure it is pretty tough to find deals at the deadline for current major league players under contract for multiple years for a number of reasons. With rental prices so high, for your non-rentals you are compelled to ask for a price that most other teams are compelled not to match. So if the value is not there for non-rentals you will just as soon hold those guys and have another go with them on the field and/or at the next deadline when it will continue to be a seller's market given the playoff situation. The Sox are doing this dance with Verdugo right now. A guy like Cease Chicago can keep holding and still extract a high price at any time over the next couple trade windows.
Given the upcoming 40-man squeeze I would like to be a little more aggressive than "do absolutely nothing" but my time horizon for that thought extends through Opening Day 2024 when we should really be looking at the start of the next window.
Given the upcoming 40-man squeeze I would like to be a little more aggressive than "do absolutely nothing" but my time horizon for that thought extends through Opening Day 2024 when we should really be looking at the start of the next window.
I'm glad you brought this up. It's silly to think that do-something is the only player narrative in play. On the flip side why wouldn't they see it as a vote of confidence in the ability of the current team? And, as you say, no longer worrying about their lives being uprooted or their friends being moved.
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A healthy Ji-Man Choi is a useful hitter against RHP. After Cruz and Carpenter flameouts, he makes sense for them as a DH platoon with Sanchez if that's what they wanna do.
So if they aren’t WS favorites there’s no reason to invest in a team to try to make a run? Strongly disagree with this. Nobody is saying trade the whole farm at the deadline. But with who’s coming back and an infusion at the top of the rotation with a kid like Cease, if they get in they can make a run. If not they have Cease for 2 more years.
This is the type of move Bloom should be doing.
For what it's worth, and I realize that might not be much for some of you, Verducci on mlbn Trade Deadline Special just now said he likes where the Red Sox are right now and they don't need to do a thing.
Nah, man. They can just add to the team without limitations. And they can improve the defense while still putting their best lineup on the field. If they don't, it's Chaim's fault for not getting permission to have a 32 man roster and 4 designated hitters.
It depends. If you have a 2% chance of a World Series & you can improve that chance to 3%... but it would significantly lower your chances of winning it in future years, that would be a poor investment.
I would be happy to trade for Cease. I think the price the White Sox are asking for is more than what I would want to pay, though. I think your threshold is higher, but it might still not be enough for the White Sox.
If the price is that high, I'd much rather just throw cash at the starting pitching situation in the off season.
I feel very confident he is in on Cease. Doesn’t mean it will happen of course. But you are right, he’s their type of target.
With you on Cease. I definitely do a deal for him, if it starts with Rafeala +. Yeah, he’s running into barrels this season, walk rate is up, but that is something that can be ironed out. I’d be all in on him.
Almost wonder if there would be a way to package Robert as well, but he gives me pause with the injury history.
If they can’t get it done now, maybe something that’s revisited in the off-season.
I would be ok with parting with a couple of their top 100 guys like Bleis or Yorke for Cease. Bloom has shown a good eye for talent in the draft so I would be confident enough for him to replenish the system. With Casas seemingly the guy at first, Blaze Jordan is a guy that’s expendable.
The thing is the Sox do not have a GFIN now move.
I am sure they are in on many deals for pitching, but they are reluctant to part with any pkayer they see as part of the 2024-2028 window.
I am sure they are in on many deals for pitching, but they are reluctant to part with any pkayer they see as part of the 2024-2028 window.
That is always the question. But there are key pieces there that they see as part of the 2024 and beyond window. Deals should be made in the offseason to shore up the team, but giving them up for rentals is not what they should do, IMO.
The Padres have needed depth all year and that's exactly what they got. A DH to hit against RHP (who has been pretty good the past month or so and has better numbers than Carpenter on the year) and a depth SP in case Wacha takes longer than expected to get back instead of throwing out a guy like Ryan Weathers who has been really bad. They didn't give up a whole lot for those guys, either. It doesn't make sense to trade their top prospects given where they are, but the best prospect they gave up was ranked like 16th in a weak, top-heavy farm system. It's highly unlikely this comes back to bite them.
I would probably do Yorke/Blaze/Bastardo or something.
I wouldn't want to include Bleis. I think he's pretty unique & we'd be selling low on him due to the injury stuff this year.
Who knows what the actual ask is, though?
Sorry, but I don't get this. E-Rod makes $14MM this year. He can afford to have his family hang out in LA VERY comfortably for the next three months with a solid chance to go to the World Series. He can opt-out after this season and literally go wherever he wants to live and play. Besides, when did Detroit become the "East Coast"?