Yes please. Though I'd be pretty surprised if Korkmaz slips to 16 and Murray to the second round.
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Hardaway was hyped as the next Magic Johnson, and this was well before the draft. He was a BFD his entire season before being drafted. Shaq had nothing to do with his rise.
Blue Chips was filmed after he was drafted.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19930708&id=F-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lAcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=4037,1362203&hl=en
Blue Chips was filmed after he was drafted.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19930708&id=F-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lAcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=4037,1362203&hl=en
I screwed that one up, Chriss not Bender at 3.
Also new Tankathon:
3- Murray
16- Davis
23- Zizic
31- Johnson
35- Siakam
45- Zipser
51- Hammons
58- Layman
What I've learned from these mocks is that it will be a huge upset if the Celtics don't draft somebody with a Z in his name.
I've seen such wildly varying reports on Chriss. From "Shawn Kemp with range" to, basically "will never be anything but bench filler due to his utter lack of defensive awareness". He has as high a ceiling as anyone, but the fact that he rebounds worse than the 6'5 and unathletic Denzel Valentine is a tad worrying.
I saw Chad Ford mention that an anonymous GM told him that the Lakers should take him at #2.*
*The anonymous GM then added, "They should also trade D'Angelo Russell for James Young. And while I'm totally NOT Danny Ainge, I think he's really smart and handsome."
Correct on Penny being a well known entity prior to Blue Chips however they completed a good portion of the production of the movie PRIOR to the draft.
The meeting with said anonymous GM was reported to have been held a Chipotle.
The show specifically said that there was a big workout for Hardaway in which he played in a game at the practice facility. Penny said that he thought of it as absolutely crucial to crash it and it did. The Magic executives were leaning towards Weber initially and the public favored Weber, but they were swayed by the type of play they saw during those workouts.
The impression I got from the doc was that Shaq provided a valuable reference, but Penny sealed the deal with his performance on the workouts.
The frustrating part about the draft is that I am following the ups and downs leading up to it, always very excited to see which spot we land and which player we take.... only to have to wait 3-5 years to see how things pan out.
Man I really hope Givony has a bad grip on the Celtics because:
3- Chriss
16- Richardson
23- Valentine
31- Johnson (brice)
35- Maker
45- Hammons
51- Layman
58- Bolomby
That makes me want to vomit.
3- Chriss
16- Richardson
23- Valentine
31- Johnson (brice)
35- Maker
45- Hammons
51- Layman
58- Bolomby
That makes me want to vomit.
Curious that they have Chriss at 11 in their prospect rankings, but going to us at 3 in their mock. Do they think Danny is that enamored with him, even though they think he's not that good?
Bill Simmons top 7 picks
1. PHI-Simmons
2. LAL-Ingram
3. BOS-Chriss
4. PHX-Bender
5. MIN-Dunn
6. NO-Murray
7. Den-Hield
1. PHI-Simmons
2. LAL-Ingram
3. BOS-Chriss
4. PHX-Bender
5. MIN-Dunn
6. NO-Murray
7. Den-Hield
I sure hope not. Seems to me that Chriss is going to take four years just to figure out how to stay on the court for extended periods of time.
I think it is in Boston's best interest for there to be multiple rumors about who they'll take at #3. That maximizes the chances of someone ponying up for the pick.
Big day for new/updated mocks:
SI Staff:
3- Bender
16- Korkmaz
23- Ulis
Basketball Insiders:
3- Murray(x3), Brown
16- Beasley, Valentine, Sabonis, Richardson
23- Hernangomez(x2), Diallo, Zubac.
Fox:
3- Chriss
16- Zizic
23- Prince
CBS (Vecenie):
3- Murray
16- Sabonis
23- Zubac
Nbadraft:
3- Hield
16- Johnson
23- Jones
31- Zizic
35- Jackson
45- Ulis
51- Jacobs
58- Baker
SI Staff:
3- Bender
16- Korkmaz
23- Ulis
Basketball Insiders:
3- Murray(x3), Brown
16- Beasley, Valentine, Sabonis, Richardson
23- Hernangomez(x2), Diallo, Zubac.
Fox:
3- Chriss
16- Zizic
23- Prince
CBS (Vecenie):
3- Murray
16- Sabonis
23- Zubac
Nbadraft:
3- Hield
16- Johnson
23- Jones
31- Zizic
35- Jackson
45- Ulis
51- Jacobs
58- Baker
I've gone on record several times in the past to note how Nbadraft.com is completely full of shit and this mock doesn't do anything to disprove that. They should have known that I shut down workouts last week after I received a promise in the 40's.
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Welp Givony has dropped Chriss to 4,
3- Dunn
16- Davis
Rest of the picks the same.
Sporting News:
3- Chriss
16- Diallo
23- Luwawu
CBS (Parrish):
3- Murray
16- Zizic
23- Maker
31- Qi
35- Jones
45- Zagorac
51- Hammons
58- Carter
Interesting second round, really dislike the 3 and 23 picks.
My preference (using only players Parrish has available at that pick)
3- Bender (2nd choice Brown)
16- Zizic (Baldwin, Zubac)
23- Hernangomez (DIallo,Onuaku)
31- Onuaku (Qi, McCaw)
35- Beasley (Zagorac, Yabusele, PapaGiannis)
45- Yabusele (Zagorac, Papagiannis, Felder)
51- Papagiannis (Finney-Smith, Carter)
58- Carter (Finney-Smith, Payton)
3- Dunn
16- Davis
Rest of the picks the same.
Sporting News:
3- Chriss
16- Diallo
23- Luwawu
CBS (Parrish):
3- Murray
16- Zizic
23- Maker
31- Qi
35- Jones
45- Zagorac
51- Hammons
58- Carter
Interesting second round, really dislike the 3 and 23 picks.
My preference (using only players Parrish has available at that pick)
3- Bender (2nd choice Brown)
16- Zizic (Baldwin, Zubac)
23- Hernangomez (DIallo,Onuaku)
31- Onuaku (Qi, McCaw)
35- Beasley (Zagorac, Yabusele, PapaGiannis)
45- Yabusele (Zagorac, Papagiannis, Felder)
51- Papagiannis (Finney-Smith, Carter)
58- Carter (Finney-Smith, Payton)
Ford 9.0
3. Boston Celtics (via Nets) Jaylen Brown Cal Freshman Forward
3. Boston Celtics (via Nets) Jaylen Brown Cal Freshman Forward
16. Boston Celtics (via Mavericks) Deyonta Davis Michigan State Freshman Forward
23. Boston Celtics Cheick Diallo Kansas Freshman Forward
I think it's a combination of activity on the offensive/defensive boards, weakside rim protection and ability/willingness to run the floor, screen/rolls and dives to the hoop. I compare him to Tristan Thompson.
New Givony draftexpress:
3- Dunn
16- Davis
23- Korkmaz
31- Yabusele
35- Papagiannis
45- Hammons
51- Layman
58- Bolomby
New nbadraft:
3- Hield
16- Ellenson
23- Johnson
31- Prince
35- Yabusele
45- Ulis
51- Papagiannis
58- Hammons
Tankathon:
3- Chriss
16- Luwawu
23- Diallo
31- Jones
35- Bembry
45- Whitehead
51- Hammons
58- Ellis
3- Dunn
16- Davis
23- Korkmaz
31- Yabusele
35- Papagiannis
45- Hammons
51- Layman
58- Bolomby
New nbadraft:
3- Hield
16- Ellenson
23- Johnson
31- Prince
35- Yabusele
45- Ulis
51- Papagiannis
58- Hammons
Tankathon:
3- Chriss
16- Luwawu
23- Diallo
31- Jones
35- Bembry
45- Whitehead
51- Hammons
58- Ellis
That's pretty cool, but could you get the "All Prospects"/"Only College" toggle to work? None of the euros are showing up in the "All Prospects" filter for me.
Joshua Riddel, scout with Draftexpress, has posted his big board, along with fairly detailed scouting notes on all draft eligible players, link here: http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2ad795dc45c0a7fcf73798a54&id=cb285e2b1a
Joshua Riddel, scout with Draftexpress, has posted his big board, along with fairly detailed scouting notes on all draft eligible players, link here: http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2ad795dc45c0a7fcf73798a54&id=cb285e2b1a
Latest DraftExpress mock: 3. Dunn 16. C Ivica Zubac (7'1" 265 lb. 19 yr old) 23. SG Furkan Korkmaz(6'7" 185 lb. 18 years old)
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 7s8 seconds ago
I think Phoenix trades down twice Phi - Simmons LA - Ingram Bos - Chriss NO - Murray Min - Dunn Sac - Buddy Den - Bender Phx - Brown
I think Phoenix trades down twice Phi - Simmons LA - Ingram Bos - Chriss NO - Murray Min - Dunn Sac - Buddy Den - Bender Phx - Brown
He may be "plugged in" but he is pretty much the same as anyone on this board. He doesn't reach out to sources inside of teams like a Chad Ford or the Draft Express people do. How could he? They guy is a little busy...
I don't see any reason to believe anything anyone is reporting. Hasn't Ainge done a pretty good job keeping his deals and draft intentions out of the media historically?
I'm fairly certain Simmons' buddy Sully, who he's mentioned in the past, is his Celtics source. Sully (Shawn Sullivan) works in the marketing dept for the team, so while I'm sure he gets more info than most, I'm guessing Danny isn't spilling his secrets to guys working in marketing. And after reading yesterday about how the decision making group for the C's front office is about 5 guys deep and Ainge keeps his thoughts away from them, I'm pretty sure Sully isn't getting the scoop.
Also just for kicks, SI's final mock has Brown, Prince, and either Zizac or Zubac. http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/23/nba-mock-draft-trades-buzz-ben-simmons-dragan-bender-brandon-ingram?xid=IFT-Trending
If anyone is interested, the Daily Californian makes a case that Jaylen Brown should be picked over Ingram: http://www.dailycal.org/2016/06/22/jaylen-browns-case-to-be-picked-2nd/. One fact of note: Brown hit 39% from 3P land in high school so maybe he's a better shooter than his freshman stats show.
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
If anyone is interested, the Daily Californian makes a case that Jaylen Brown should be picked over Ingram: http://www.dailycal.org/2016/06/22/jaylen-browns-case-to-be-picked-2nd/. One fact of note: Brown hit 39% from 3P land in high school so maybe he's a better shooter than his freshman stats show.
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.