Yeah, 100% this. I think ultimately I'm rooting for him to succeed, but I'd love for Tampa to crash and burn.Planned on rooting for him, ended up rooting against him.
I can't really put my finger on why. I love the guy. Fully planned on being a Tampa guy this year. But when the game started, it slowly shifted and I found myself rooting for the Saints and I absolutely hate the Saints. I guess it's some bitterness? I also rooted against Ray Bourque when he left the Bruins for some unexplained reason.
I don't think it will. That's an insane argument at this point. I mean, if you mean that out of 350M people, some will bring it up, then sure. But it's nothing to be concerned about.Because he's 43 and this isn't normal Brady.
I'm not saying he's not First Ballot, but the "Peyton is better" stuff will almost certainly crop back up. He EXCELLED when he went to a different team at the end of his career. Etc. etc.
Time will stop that, but until then - it'll be a topic.
Agree with this. It felt the argument ended when Brady led the comeback against the Seahawks for his 4th, then it was buried forever after the comeback against the Falcons for his 5th. The insane performance against the Eagles followed by winning his 6th against the Rams was like Jordan’s Game 6 shot in ‘98 — the GOAT being the GOAT to no one’s surprise. There’s no intellectually honest argument against Brady, even during his "Jordan on the Wizards" phase.Not the final season he didn't. In his age 39 season Manning threw 9 TDs and 17 INTs and had a passer rating of 67.9.
In his age 39 season Brady threw 28 TDs and 2 INTs, with rating of 112.2.
The Manning argument is dead and buried for all time.
He had a few shining years with a new team before he had the dud year. Tom coming out with a bad year definitely will bring out the haters.Not the final season he didn't. In his age 39 season Manning threw 9 TDs and 17 INTs and had a passer rating of 67.9.
In his age 39 season Brady threw 28 TDs and 2 INTs, with rating of 112.2.
The Manning argument is dead and buried for all time.
For sure. It’s more a pundit thing for the short term.Agree with this. It felt the argument ended when Brady led the comeback against the Seahawks for his 4th, then it was buried forever after the comeback against the Falcons for his 5th. The insane performance against the Eagles followed by winning his 6th against the Rams was like Jordan’s Game 6 shot in ‘98 — the GOAT being the GOAT to no one’s surprise. There’s no intellectually honest argument against Brady, even during his "Jordan on the Wizards" phase.
As dj suggests above, you should expect to hear a little nonsense from professional hot takez pundits filling time on TV and radio, as well as embittered Colts/Broncos/Jets fans, but you can safely ignore them.
You know this because:
1) Over time the arguments I've heard have changed from “Manning/Rodgers/Brees is better than Brady” to the relatively pathetic “If they had been on the Patriots instead of Brady...”
2) When the wildly popular documentary about Michael Jordan came out this spring, and the entire sports world was watching it, one other athlete kept being referenced as worthy of such treatment, and people wondered when his would follow.
The question isn’t whether Brady is the best NFL player ever. It’s where he ranks among the best major American sport athletes ever, between Jordan, Ruth, Gretzky, Tiger, Ali/Robinson, Phelps, and the rest.
Exactly how I feel. He spent 20 years not just playing for my favorite team but establishing himself as the greatest of all time, leading them to the history we all remember: 6 -- SIX! -- Super Bowl championships, unprecedented success, and a number of the most thrilling games in the history of American sports. All because he fell to my favorite team in the 6th round of the 2000 NFL Draft, when Bill Clinton was still President and "Erin Brockovich" was in theaters.The two athletes that I'm most grateful to have watched the last 20 years were Brady and David Ortiz. They have made so many deposits in my bank of sports watching joy that rooting for them to fail is not close to an option.
New thread!Not to derail the thread, but @Trautwein's Degree made an interesting comment about Brady and Ortiz being the athletes he's most rooted for, gotten most joy from, in his life, and it got me thinking: what would people's personal Mount Rushmore be - top four athletes you've simply loved, for your own reason, and the sport doesn't matter. I.e., it doesn't have to be one hockey, one baseball, etc.
For me: Pedro, Ortiz, and Brady are the top three. Hard to say who #4 is though. Might be Andre Tippett or Tedy Bruschi.
For me those three and Larry Legend who was my childhood hero by a mile.Not to derail the thread, but @Trautwein's Degree made an interesting comment about Brady and Ortiz being the athletes he's most rooted for, gotten most joy from, in his life, and it got me thinking: what would people's personal Mount Rushmore be - top four athletes you've simply loved, for your own reason, and the sport doesn't matter. I.e., it doesn't have to be one hockey, one baseball, etc.
For me: Pedro, Ortiz, and Brady are the top three. Hard to say who #4 is though. Might be Andre Tippett or Tedy Bruschi.
Assuming you are talking about the poll results, the largest number up there right now is 47.32 to 6 says it all
Undecideds is what mattersAssuming you are talking about the poll results, the largest number up there right now is 47.
You seem like extra invested in being the guy who wants to shit all over Brady once the inevitable decline happens. Congrats on being that guy, I guess.
Manny, Pedro, Ortiz, KG if Boston athletes. If all cities, it gets more difficult. Definitely Manny and KG though.Not to derail the thread, but @Trautwein's Degree made an interesting comment about Brady and Ortiz being the athletes he's most rooted for, gotten most joy from, in his life, and it got me thinking: what would people's personal Mount Rushmore be - top four athletes you've simply loved, for your own reason, and the sport doesn't matter. I.e., it doesn't have to be one hockey, one baseball, etc.
For me: Pedro, Ortiz, and Brady are the top three. Hard to say who #4 is though. Might be Andre Tippett or Tedy Bruschi.
Yeah, so, you showed your ass badly here as someone who should check out of the thread. The poll only makes sense if you loved Brady to begin with.Manny, Pedro, Ortiz, KG if Boston athletes. If all cities, it gets more difficult. Definitely Manny and KG though.
Yeah, so, you showed your ass badly here as someone who should check out of the thread. The poll only makes sense if you loved Brady to begin with.
Same, I am completely indifferent.I voted other since I am neither rooting for or against him.
That's a good way to put it.Same, I am completely indifferent.
Certainly. Merged with a new thread title.Just curious how everyone felt while watching TB12 last week. If possible, mods, we could add this poll to the existing Tompa thread?
I don't think wood is a problem when it comes to Kel and Tom BradyChuck wood.
Arians says this shit all the time. It’s why heS such a straight shooting media darling.Arians sounds like a head coach who has never been under a microscope like this.
I'm pretty much here as well.I dislike Brady the person. The Trump stuff, his embrace of Guerrero (not all of the TB12 stuff is snake oil, but a lot is), his COVID truthering, the weird way he handled Deflategate, etc. Frankly, I think he's a dummy who is a football savant. I tolerated all his BS while he was a Patriot, but I find it easy to root against him now. I don't hate him or anything, but I won't shed a tear if he's a bust in Tompa.
Aside from guys who left the Sox for the MFY, I can't think of another Boston star who went elsewhere who I felt this way about.
Politics aside, there have been just a handful of Boston superstar athletes who have been as humble, hard-working, (relatively) scandal-free, and successful as Brady.I'm pretty much here as well.
I've dealt with a lot of pro athletes in my life, and most are assholes. Even given that, I get the sense that Brady is at the high end of that scale. I could tolerate him on the Pats, but have no reason to now.
Yeah I don’t get the jerk thing either. He’s an intense competitor which may play into it. Off the field he’s definitely he’s been far removed from reality, believes in some sketchy people and “science” and comes off as a know it all in terms of life coaching and healing but I never once thought he was a jerk.Politics aside, there have been just a handful of Boston superstar athletes who have been as humble, hard-working, (relatively) scandal-free, and successful as Brady.
I get that Brady has more than his share of odd quirks but he has never struck me as an "as*hole" or even a "jerk".
I also never felt that I had to "tolerate" Brady for the qualities listed above. In fact, I feel lucky for him to have been a Patriot all these years, similar to how I feel about Papi, Pedro, Neely, Bergeron, Pierce, McCourty, etc.
Pedro Ortiz Brady Gronk, though Manny and Betts are both close.Not to derail the thread, but @Trautwein's Degree made an interesting comment about Brady and Ortiz being the athletes he's most rooted for, gotten most joy from, in his life, and it got me thinking: what would people's personal Mount Rushmore be - top four athletes you've simply loved, for your own reason, and the sport doesn't matter. I.e., it doesn't have to be one hockey, one baseball, etc.
For me: Pedro, Ortiz, and Brady are the top three. Hard to say who #4 is though. Might be Andre Tippett or Tedy Bruschi.
Rest In Peace to a legend. A role model. A fighter for justice and equal rights. We should all aspire to live our lives as principled as RBG lead hers. We should all aim to bring a little more love to this world.
Tough one. Larry, Ortiz, and Brady. Either Jim Rice, McHale or Bruschi after that.Not to derail the thread, but @Trautwein's Degree made an interesting comment about Brady and Ortiz being the athletes he's most rooted for, gotten most joy from, in his life, and it got me thinking: what would people's personal Mount Rushmore be - top four athletes you've simply loved, for your own reason, and the sport doesn't matter. I.e., it doesn't have to be one hockey, one baseball, etc.
For me: Pedro, Ortiz, and Brady are the top three. Hard to say who #4 is though. Might be Andre Tippett or Tedy Bruschi.
I’m sorry for posting that. My take is pure conjecture and is a dickish thing to post on a Boston/Patriots board.Politics aside, there have been just a handful of Boston superstar athletes who have been as humble, hard-working, (relatively) scandal-free, and successful as Brady.
I get that Brady has more than his share of odd quirks but he has never struck me as an "as*hole" or even a "jerk".
I also never felt that I had to "tolerate" Brady for the qualities listed above. In fact, I feel lucky for him to have been a Patriot all these years, similar to how I feel about Papi, Pedro, Neely, Bergeron, Pierce, McCourty, etc.