JG is only going to be out of the league if he doesn't want to be a backup, the INT are wildly out of character for his career and he has a long track record of being pretty good, he can get premium backup jobs for many more yearsJimmy G: 65.5% comp, 9 INTs on 168 attempts!!, 7.2 yards/attempt, 78.1 rating, 35 QBR
Mac Jones: 64.9% comp, 12 INTs on 345 attempts, 6.1 yards/attempt, 77.0 rating, 36.6 QBR
Unclear who is objectively better. JG is for sure out of the league next year; Mac will probably get picked up to be a Trey Lance.
He'll be 33 and he's been banged up all season. Highly unlikely any team will see the 2019 Garoppolo again, assuming he doesn't retire (some of the injuries this season sounded scary).JG is only going to be out of the league if he doesn't want to be a backup, the INT are wildly out of character for his career and he has a long track record of being pretty good, he can get premium backup jobs for many more years
Oh he could definitely retire, he's made a lot of money and may not want to be a backup. Just saying if he wants to be in the NFL next year and is willing to take backup money someone will sign him.He'll be 33 and he's been banged up all season. Highly unlikely any team will see the 2019 Garoppolo again, assuming he doesn't retire (some of the injuries this season sounded scary).
I suspect he's still on the roster at the start of camp. He's cheap and they already have over half the roster to fill for 2024. Hopefully he improves or gets beat out.can't see Thornton coming back next year. He was taken at least a round too early. He has two seasons as a college or pro player with more than 400 yards. Think he's about done as a player.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1729267966473367850
The Patriots had the following free agents in for workouts: QB Austin Burton (Purdue), TE Michael Ezeike (UCLA), DB Cameron McCutcheon (Western Carolina), TE La'Michael Pettway (Iowa State) and TE Christian Sims (Bowling Green)
QB is Steve Burton’s kid BTW.A murderers row of talent.
Yeah, because a kid they bring in for a perfunctory late season workout is going to be our next starting QB, at the expense of all the other great unsigned options out there in the last week of November. Fucking Bill and his nepotism.aka another FOB kid.
Might as well sign the Walpole kid as the backup.Get the Foxboro HS quarterback in here!
One of their criticisms is that they ran the fake snap to the QB (who reaches in the air) and it's really a direct snap to the RB on a short yardage play. That's so dumb. It literally works every time. Who cares that they ran it in the Brady era? It still works.This could have gone in the Mac thread, but it is so damning of the coaching he's gotten it probably belongs here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/gTUoELw77Gk?si=UFEOC6W_sdKEXfIw
(I can't get it to embed, but the Pats game comments begin at 52:27)
yeah, I think that segment was a mix of real legit criticisms, and dumb stuff because they decided the story they wanted and fit what they saw to that framework.One of their criticisms is that they ran the fake snap to the QB (who reaches in the air) and it's really a direct snap to the RB on a short yardage play. That's so dumb. It literally works every time. Who cares that they ran it in the Brady era? It still works.
And they make it seem like BB is literally the worst coach in the NFL, not to be trusted with...anything.
They were right when they talked about how the old Patriots would never make the key mistake (hyperbole...of course they made big mistakes, but far less often than other teams) but now all they do is make the big mistake. Yep, that's true.
I took it as more that he shouldn't be trusted with making the top pick or nurturing that pick if it winds up being a QB. The increasing sloppiness of the team's play has been going on for the past few years. Whether that's because Bill has slowed down or he's done a poor job putting his staff together as people have departed, or selecting smart players, that's on Belichick.One of their criticisms is that they ran the fake snap to the QB (who reaches in the air) and it's really a direct snap to the RB on a short yardage play. That's so dumb. It literally works every time. Who cares that they ran it in the Brady era? It still works.
And they make it seem like BB is literally the worst coach in the NFL, not to be trusted with...anything.
They were right when they talked about how the old Patriots would never make the key mistake (hyperbole...of course they made big mistakes, but far less often than other teams) but now all they do is make the big mistake. Yep, that's true.
Props for this, for this is spot on.I still think far more of Mac's issues are that he's a physically limited player who is mentally brittle (they noted the Duke BB player mentality, but forgot that part 2 of the Grayson Allen mold is that they melt down when they face adversity, and that is Mac to a T... he is a petulant asshole when winning, and a petulant fraud when things get tough.
Man. I wish I had thought of that succinct statement instead of 40,000 posts shitting on Mac. Perfectly stated.Overall though, I think that the idea that they did not have a good offensive plan the last 2 years is fair. Not sure if Josh leaving surprised Bill, or what, but they struggled with a cohesive identity on that side of the ball. I still think far more of Mac's issues are that he's a physically limited player who is mentally brittle (they noted the Duke BB player mentality, but forgot that part 2 of the Grayson Allen mold is that they melt down when they face adversity, and that is Mac to a T... he is a petulant asshole when winning, and a petulant fraud when things get tough.
It's week 13 of the NFL season. There's no unsigned talent that's gonna tip the scales. It's not like other teams are bringing in guys off the street that you'd recognize.A murderers row of talent.
Probably not, but he makes next to nothing and it might depend on if BB is back or not.can't see Thornton coming back next year. He was taken at least a round too early. He has two seasons as a college or pro player with more than 400 yards. Think he's about done as a player.
He will be at least a camp body due to the contract. However the first two moves I’d make under a new regime are cutting Parker and JuJu regardless of the guaranteed money. It’s a sunk cost already. Both are losers so get them off the team.Probably not, but he makes next to nothing and it might depend on if BB is back or not.
I can't imagine how bad he must be if he can't get above Mac or Zappe on the depth chart.https://x.com/dougkyed/status/1729616272315343200?s=46&t=SM8KNBQ5qkrf8EOqnMV5BQ
The Patriots are planning to re-sign QB Will Grier to the practice squad, per source
I get the frustration, but how do you go out and replace everybody? As if top tier coaching talent at every level is just out there for the taking?Girardi was on 98.5 and has come to the conclusion that they need to blow the whole operation out. The entire coaching staff and the scouting staff. Sucks for someone like Mayo but thinks that they just need a clean break from the BB tree.
The part I don't get is they had their heads and asses wired together from top to bottom for 19 years, it's gone to shit the past 4 years, they are beyond inept.I get the frustration, but how do you go out and replace everybody? As if top tier coaching talent at every level is just out there for the taking?
BB goes, hire a proper GM and HC. Maybe the scouting staff is incompetent or maybe it's just Bill making every decision so who knows, figure it out and adjust.
Keep O'Brien and let him overhaul the offensive coaches. Was listening to F&M today where Bedard mentioned how O'Brien only brought over one coach with him. Let him start fresh for a season.
I'd keep Mayo and even Bill's kids, they seemed to have performed well enough to at least compete for their current spots and the defense for the most part hasn't been a problem.
There's just not enough snaps in a game week to get him worked in enough without taking away game prep from #1 and #2.I can't imagine how bad he must be if he can't get above Mac or Zappe on the depth chart.
I mean.... they lost the best QB in football history, an incredible team aged out while trying to compete for a SB so no hard reset possible (and damaged cap the 1st year post Brady), they lost a ton of FO staff, they lost a ton of coaching staff.... they missed on some draft picks.... what always happens to good franchises, it was a fast hard fall in part because most teams would have down periods and up periods over 19 years not 19 straight SB contender seasons.The part I don't get is they had their heads and asses wired together from top to bottom for 19 years, it's gone to shit the past 4 years, they are beyond inept.
What the Christ happened where it went from a well run ship to a shitshow?
They are a league wide laughing stock.
I'm referring more to the way the team performs on the field, they are a clownshow, mistakes everywhere, dumb penalties, situationally unaware, they were one of the best coached teams in the league, now they are a dumb team, as Patriots fans we used to laugh at teams like this.I mean.... they lost the best QB in football history, an incredible team aged out while trying to compete for a SB so no hard reset possible (and damaged cap the 1st year post Brady), they lost a ton of FO staff, they lost a ton of coaching staff.... they missed on some draft picks.... what always happens to good franchises, it was a fast hard fall in part because most teams would have down periods and up periods over 19 years not 19 straight SB contender seasons.
Bad players, which they have in abundance, make bad decisions. Decision-making and discipline are skills just as important as any other.I'm referring more to the way the team performs on the field, they are a clownshow, mistakes everywhere, dumb penalties, situationally unaware, they were one of the best coached teams in the league, now they are a dumb team, as Patriots fans we used to laugh at teams like this.
Now we are one of them.
Ted Johnson said the other night Belichick looks disengaged; he's checked out.
As has the team.
They sure are.Bad players, which they have in abundance, make bad decisions. Decision-making and discipline are skills just as important as any other.
How would that 1992 team score? Even if the 2023 team couldn't score more than 10 that 1992 team wouldn't be dropping many more, if any.Zo mentioned today that the 1992 team that was 2-14 he was on had more talent than this one and would kick this teams ass.
I'd take Irving Fryer, Marv Cook, a second year Ben Coates over any of these receivers. Pop Douglas is the only one who can do a thing on this current team, maybe Bourne when healthy.How would that 1992 team score? Even if the 2023 team couldn't score more than 10 that 1992 team wouldn't be dropping many more, if any.
Yeah--but there was no real QB on that squad. Even our current, injured defense wouldn't give up many points. Our early season defense would shut them out.I'd take Irving Fryer, Marv Cook, a second year Ben Coates over any of these receivers. Pop Douglas is the only one who can do a thing on this current team, maybe Bourne when healthy.
It's hard to imagine with Bill's ego that he would be ok with the current state of the team and how that reflects on him, but on the other hand when you consider his age and wealth, including a nice place on Nantucket maybe it's just as simple as the drive just isn't there anymore.I'm referring more to the way the team performs on the field, they are a clownshow, mistakes everywhere, dumb penalties, situationally unaware, they were one of the best coached teams in the league, now they are a dumb team, as Patriots fans we used to laugh at teams like this.
Now we are one of them.
Ted Johnson said the other night Belichick looks disengaged; he's checked out.
As has the team.
more importantly, every player now is just way better, faster, stronger. Comparing a team from 30 years ago to now is silly, the quality of players has gone way, way up.Yeah--but there was no real QB on that squad. Even our current, injured defense wouldn't give up many points. Our early season defense would shut them out.
That team didn't score and didn't stop many teams--27th (of 28) in scoring, 23rd in scoring defense.
I'm more saying that 1992 was so bad they wouldn't really kick anyone's ass. They might win, but they aren't blowing anyone out.
Defensively, they are decent. Especially seeing as though the defense is getting absolutely no help from the offense and the defense has lost its best players to injury.They sure are.
And you are correct; this team is loaded with bad players, a horrible roster from top to bottom.
Yeah, I’m shocked an old player from thirty years ago thinks his bad team would kick this bad team’s ass. Weird context to lean into that trope (usually you hear old players from great teams wax poetic about how things were), but I guess it’s provocative/entertaining.more importantly, every player now is just way better, faster, stronger. Comparing a team from 30 years ago to now is silly, the quality of players has gone way, way up.
If you look at the 19 years of dominance, it was actually two dynasties rolled into one; the first one was 2001-2007, 3-1 in the Super Bowl, that team aged out from 2008-2010, they retooled and when on another run from 2011-2018, 3-2 in the Super Bowl, then that team aged out from 2019 until now.I mean.... they lost the best QB in football history, an incredible team aged out while trying to compete for a SB so no hard reset possible (and damaged cap the 1st year post Brady), they lost a ton of FO staff, they lost a ton of coaching staff.... they missed on some draft picks.... what always happens to good franchises, it was a fast hard fall in part because most teams would have down periods and up periods over 19 years not 19 straight SB contender seasons.
This is the same org that thought JuJu was an upgrade on Jakobi, of course.I can't imagine how bad he must be if he can't get above Mac or Zappe on the depth chart.
It's not a singular down year, it's at least two at this point, if not three, and the future could not be bleaker on offense.Holy fuck this thread has gone to shit faster than the Patriots themselves.
Laughing stocks! Clown shows! I am really sorry that you guys must have such miserable lives outside of sports. Because nobody should ever be this upset about a single down year in two decades of their lives for the sports team that they love.
I mean if a playoff season is a down year to you then you just aren't a reasonable personIt's not a singular down year, it's at least two at this point, if not three, and the future could not be bleaker on offense.
It's very unBelichickian not to have had a viable succession plan from Brady. Even after Jimmy G left, they had time to figure it out. Stidham was not a real effort. Hurts would have been. Or Lamar. Mac was but obviously sucks and there's was no overlap with Brady. When Bill looks back at these down years, I bet that's his main regret.If you look at the 19 years of dominance, it was actually two dynasties rolled into one; the first one was 2001-2007, 3-1 in the Super Bowl, that team aged out from 2008-2010, they retooled and when on another run from 2011-2018, 3-2 in the Super Bowl, then that team aged out from 2019 until now.
Two dynasties rolled into one, would have been nice if they could have retooled again and gone on another run.
I guess that's what happens when you lose one of the links between the two dynasties; the greatest QB to ever play the game.
The other link is still here, but to what extent.
I believe he thought they could coach Mac up to be a good NFL QB. Probably got a good recommendation from Saban. Sometimes players just don’t have what it takes, and is not always obvious on draft day which players do.It's very unBelichickian not to have had a viable succession plan from Brady. Even after Jimmy G left, they had time to figure it out. Stidham was not a real effort. Hurts would have been. Or Lamar. Mac was but obviously sucks and there's was no overlap with Brady. When Bill looks back at these down years, I bet that's his main regret.
The weird part is really that we didn't have a shitshow year. Andy Reid went 4-12 his last year in Philly. Philly went 4-12-1 a couple years back. The Ravens have had a couple 5-11 years in their run. Kyle Shanahan has had two 6-win seasons and a 4-win season. The Rams went 5-12 last year. The Packers had a couple six-win seasons with Rodgers. And these are some of the best (and best-run) teams in the sport! It's really only us and Pittsburgh that haven't had one of those "everything goes wrong" years in the past couple decades. Well, we're having one now.The part I don't get is they had their heads and asses wired together from top to bottom for 19 years, it's gone to shit the past 4 years, they are beyond inept.
What the Christ happened where it went from a well run ship to a shitshow?
They are a league wide laughing stock.