The Pre-Game Thread: Week 3 vs Texans

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There is another name that worries me. We all know about Watt & Hopkins, but how about Fuller? As in Will Fuller, the rookie WR who has done this the past two games:
  • vs Bears: 5 REC / 107 YDS / 1 TD
  • vs Chiefs: 4 REC / 104 YDS / 0 TD
Mind you, the Chiefs played a sloppy, sloppy game that left at least 9 points on the board. But Fuller seems like a real deal and Osweiler has found him enough to make him a legit deep threat.

BB has done a great job containing multiple weapons (see Cards week 1) but with the NE O not able to feature a real starting QB, more pressure is on D.

Right now, Texans are favored by about 2.5 points:

...if Jimmy Garoppolo (shoulder) officially gets ruled out for the game [Edit: he has been ruled out] and Jacoby Brissett has to make his first career start. That being said, even if Brissett starts, don't count out the Patriots. Despite being a 9.5-point underdog in Week 1, New England was able to go into Arizona and win. Also, the Patriots haven't lost a home primetime game to an AFC team since 2008 (11-0). Oh, and one more thing: The Patriots are 28-0 straight up at home since 2009 against non-divisional AFC teams.
 

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Searching for silver linings...
-The lack of tape on Brissett could be a benefit, especially with the super short week. Houston has no clue what they're preparing for, especially since they likely installed some JG specific schemes last week.
- With Brissett playing a half + on Sunday, hopefully the "first game" jitters won't be there on Thursday night
- Any chance they install some gadget plays to take advantage of his athleticism? Element of surprise might yield them a score or 2??
 

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The QB situation is far from ideal, but I am more worried about the defense. We are seeing once again how the defense becomes ordinary when Hightower is out of action.
 

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Houston is a legit SB contender. Their defense is very good and their offense, which used to feature a couple guys you had to worry about (Foster/Johnson), now has a ton more weapons. Lamar Miller is a dynamic RB that we are obviously familiar with. Hopkins is an all-pro stud WR. And now they have added a legit deep threat in Fuller and a nice slot guy in Miller. Fortunately, we do have some experience with the Brockstar and some footage to work with. I think the key here is getting pressure on Brock and forcing mistakes. We went vanilla yesterday but I see a much more aggressive game plan on Thursday. Really, really need Hightower to play.

On offense, who the hell knows. Going to have to be a lot of safe throws and runs with the occasional deep ball. I think game flow will dictate play calling. If the defense can rise up, a 20-17 type win is possible. If we get down 10-0 early, could be in for a long night. I don't expect Gronk in this one and would probably prefer he take another 10 days off before Buffalo.

Beating Houston with Brissett would be an even greater accomplishment than taking down Arizona with Jimmy.
 

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Here's the much needed perspective of a Jets fan. Apparently he's got this all figured out.

[Mod edit: please don't link to click-baiting trolls posing as a NYJ beat writer. But welcome to BBtL and we actually love you and all other lurkers]
 
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Apologies for the length. There's no paywall though. Here's the article posted by Beale13 so as to not give clicks to the Steaming garbage heap that is Mehta.

What does Jimmy Garoppolo's injury mean for the Jets?
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NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, September 19, 2016, 9:24 AM

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Bill Belichick had months to prepare Jimmy Garoppolo to take over for Tom Brady but time isn’t on his side with Jacoby Brissett.
Bill Belichick had months to prepare Jimmy Garoppolo to take over for Tom Brady but time isn’t on his side with Jacoby Brissett. (JIM ROGASH/GETTY IMAGES)
Bill Belichick's giant brain has been the envy of the NFL for the better part of two decades. People have fawned over his genius, bowed to his greatness and kissed his butt more times than I care to remember, but not even the greatest football mind of the generation will be able to wiggle out of this jam.

The Patriots face a new reality now that Jimmy Garoppolo wrecked his shoulder on Sunday: The Evil Empire will be looking up at the Jets in the AFC East standings when Tom Brady returns.

Belichick seemed to have done it again by uncovering this new pretty boy quarterback to (temporarily?) replace his old pretty boy quarterback. Garoppolo showed poise in a Week 1 road win in Arizona and was flammable on Sunday against Miami before leaving the game for good with a sprained AC joint that will keep him out for the Patriots' Thursday night game against the Texans (and likely beyond).

It's hard to shed a tear for such a successful (and sometimes rule-breaking) outfit, but I feel slight sympathy for Garoppolo, who appears to be a good guy making the most of a golden opportunity. The young quarterback went 18-for-27 for 234 yards and three touchdowns in a quarter and a half before going down for the count.

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The fine folks that make up Patriot Nation will now convince themselves that osmosis will help rookie Jacoby Brissett win the next two games against the Texans and Bills before Brady returns from exile. Spoiler alert: He won't. (More on that later).

Ryan Fitzpatrick has the pieces around him to push the Jets to the top of the AFC East heap.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has the pieces around him to push the Jets to the top of the AFC East heap. (BRETT CARLSEN/GETTY IMAGES)
To make matters worse for the New England crazies, the Jets will be all alone atop the division upon Brady's return, which is enough to make them reach back for some lame and predictable jokes from the past. Yes, people. We know that the Jets haven't won a Super Bowl since man first stepped on the moon. And yes, we know that Brady has four rings, so you don't have to tweet me photos of the man wearing his championship jewelry.

The Jets' next two games don't look as daunting as they did before the season. They will travel to Kansas City this week to face a team that hardly looks unbeatable. The Chiefs needed an epic Chargers collapse to win their opener before getting roughed up by the Texans on Sunday.

Raise your hand if you're scared of the Alex Smith-led short-passing "attack."

Running back Jamaal Charles is expected to make his season debut, which would have been frightening if it were 2010 or 2012. It's neither of those years the last time I checked.

Kiko Alonso crushes Jimmy Garoppolo, who is now out with a shoulder injury.
Kiko Alonso crushes Jimmy Garoppolo, who is now out with a shoulder injury. (STEW MILNE/AP)
Todd Bowles' team will host the Seahawks, who have scored a grand total of one touchdown in 22 possessions and have yet to force a turnover this season, in Week 4.

Spoiler alert: The Jets are winning that game too.

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So, they'll be 3-1 when Brady returns from his Deflategate punishment.

Never say never with the Patriots — except for now. Belichick faces an impossible mission with Brissett in the next two games. The Hoodie Fan Club needs to think about this logically. Sure, Belichick has had success with Brady's understudies in the past, but those guys needed to time to learn and grow.

Matt Forte has been a workhorse so far for the Jets with 52 attempts through two games.
Matt Forte has been a workhorse so far for the Jets with 52 attempts through two games. (KEVIN HOFFMAN/USA TODAY SPORTS)
Matt Cassel, who went 10-5 as a starter when Brady shredded his knee in the 2008 season opener, had a three-year apprenticeship before getting thrown into the fire. Garoppolo, who completed 70 percent of his passes with a 117.2 QB rating in his first two starts, sat for two years.

Brissett has been a NFL player for FIVE MONTHS. He'll have THREE DAYS to prepare for his first start. Belichick is brilliant, but let's be realistic. He's not going to climb this mountain.

Brissett comes with great references though. Bill Parcells, who watched the quarterback in high school in Florida, praised Brissett after the Patriots took him in the third round.

"I have a very high regard for this young man," Parcells told the Boston Herald. "He's an awesome kid. He's very bright. He has zero personal issues. He's a very dedicated, committed guy and I think he's going to the absolute perfect place for him. They've got a great coach, a great organization, and they've got a great role model playing that he'll be able to observe and learn from. It just doesn't get any better than that. Because of what I think he has, his career is going to develop well."

Jacoby Brissett has three days to get ready for the Texans.
Jacoby Brissett has three days to get ready for the Texans. (JIM ROGASH/GETTY IMAGES)
Parcells might very well be right, but it's unrealistic to expect Brissett, who went 6 for 9 for 92 yards in the Patriots' 31-24 white knuckler over the Dolphins Sunday, to win right now. He'll face the Texans, who roughed up Alex Smith (four sacks, nine QB hits), in a few days before Rex Ryan's Bills come to town. Say what you want about Ryan, but he owns rookie quarterbacks. Look it up.

"Jacoby is really a calm individual," Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels said on WEEI radio on Monday morning. "He's been that way since we brought him in for his interview. We tried to put him under pressure when we first brought him in here before the draft and he didn't flinch then. He's a guy that is very difficult to fluster."

Let's see if that changes when J.J. Watt is bearing down on him.

Belichick won't be able to fix this problem. He'll be chasing the team that he loves to hate when Brady comes back.
 
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FYI - posting full articles is no bueno here, especially shitty Manish Mehta ones.
 

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The only thing worse than posting a link to a Manish Mehta article is posting a Manish Mehta article. Or posting a Gregg Doyel article, I guess.
 

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I would say posting the link and then not saying what the link is for is worse. I accidentally increased that dbags click count.
 

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Apologies for the length. There's no paywall though. Here's the article posted by Beale13 so as to not give clicks to the Steaming garbage heap that is Mehta.
I put that on spoiler, koufax32, hope you don't mind. Not that I mind copying articles but just not in full -- I have fat fingers and takes me way too many swipes to scroll down on my rather toasty Note 7 Edge.

Mehta's link has been kindly edited out as well. But remember, we DO love lurkers so keep posting!
 

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Pats down to their third string QB, Jets fans get excited about maybe being in first place in two weeks, assuming the Pats lose both and the Jets win both. Of course then Brady is back, but forget that. Lets all remember what's important here. With the Pats potentially playing 2 1/2 of their first four games with a third string rookie QB, the Jets have a chance to be ahead of them in the standings after those four games. But only maybe because right now they are actually behind the Pats.

They are so cute and fun to mock.
 

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I put that on spoiler, koufax32, hope you don't mind. Not that I mind copying articles but just not in full -- I have fat fingers and takes me way too many swipes to scroll down on my rather toasty Note 7 Edge.

Mehta's link has been kindly edited out as well. But remember, we DO love lurkers so keep posting!
I didn't even think about spoilering it. My apologies. I felt the article serves a purpose as it shows the circling sharks attitude of other fan bases with this JG setback, albeit in a vintage Mehta whiney tool way.

This was the Jets version of the "so you're saying there's a chance!" line from D & D.
 

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Pats down to their third string QB, Jets fans get excited about maybe being in first place in two weeks, assuming the Pats lose both and the Jets win both. Of course then Brady is back, but forget that. Lets all remember what's important here. With the Pats potentially playing 2 1/2 of their first four games with a third string rookie QB, the Jets have a chance to be ahead of them in the standings after those four games. But only maybe because right now they are actually behind the Pats.

They are so cute and fun to mock.
This is exactly what went through my mind too.
 

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Yeah my bad on the link posting. I didn't realize he was a known commodity in here. That was my introduction to him actually, and I almost wrote something along the lines of when did the Daily News start hiring 12 year olds to write their articles but thought that might come across as too cutting. I guess I didn't need to hold back.
 

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Not sure if this is a topic for a different (or new) thread, but is this Thursday potentially going to be the first ever Patriots game started by an African American quarterback? I can't think of any, and my quick perusal of the Wikipedia list didn't turn anything up. Pretty cool for the franchise, if it is in fact the case.
 

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It's amazing that it's only 2.5 when you consider we're likely starting our rookie 3rd string QB. What's that line for any non-Patriots team?
There seems to be a lot of "In Bill we trust" built into the line. It will be interesting to see how the money comes in on Wed and Thursday.
 

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Not sure if this is a topic for a different (or new) thread, but is this Thursday potentially going to be the first ever Patriots game started by an African American quarterback? I can't think of any, and my quick perusal of the Wikipedia list didn't turn anything up. Pretty cool for the franchise, if it is in fact the case.
Yep, because we're a bunch of racists.

 

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I mean, there is a conscious and unconscious bias against black QBs everywhere, and one of the other major Boston teams does have a terrible long history of racism which they are only recently freeing themselves from, so yes, that is actually the reason when you get down to it. I'm sure there are multiple other teams that have never had a black QB either (Giants?).

Doesn't mean the current ownership is at all racist. But, it would be a nice touch if it were mentioned and celebrated.

This is a separate thought from the obviously baiting tweet from Hubbuch.
 

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Is it too much to ask for a mediot to acknowledge that Michael Bishop was on the roster for a year with Brady, or that Rohan Davey threw 19 passes and for 3 years was "one injury away" from being the Next Man Up? Oh yeah, that would require said mediot to go to www.pro-football-reference.com for 15 minutes to research that. Never mind....
 

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Is it too much to ask for a mediot to acknowledge that Michael Bishop was on the roster for a year with Brady, or that Rohan Davey threw 19 passes and for 3 years was "one injury away" from being the Next Man Up? Oh yeah, that would require said mediot to go to www.pro-football-reference.com for 15 minutes to research that. Never mind....
Rohan Davey, thank you! I remembered Bishop in my search, but someone else was nagging me in the back of my brain. It's true that the Pats have had black QBs on the roster, but I still think that there is something meaningful in (potentially) having the first one make a start for the franchise, even if it is due to injuries. I swear I wasn't bringing it up to suggest/point out 'OMG the Pats are racists,' I just couldn't remember it happening before and thought that if that supposition was correct, then there is in fact something cool about this start. In my mind this event shouldn't cause people to be deliberately provocative, nor defensive, as a referendum on Boston's race legacy, but I agree with Nash that it is a historic event for the team that should be view positively, and I hope that fear of 'opening a can of worms' won't lead to it being ignored.

Of course, if any reporter asks BB about it, I expect him to answer with "It's just a football decision, we think that Jacoby gives the team the best chance to win this week. Next question."
 

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Keep in mind that until this season's opener, only 5 QB's have started meaningful games for the Patriots over the prior 22 seasons. Just noting this because there have been precious few starts available for QB's not named Brady or Bledsoe over the years:

Brady (223 starts)
Bledsoe (123)
Cassel (15)
Zolak (3)

Actually, Zolak is 5th. I've spoilered the 4th place QB:

Scott Secules (4)

Some other tidbits:

a.) The first black QB drafted solely to play QB by an NFL team, Onree Jackson, was drafted by the Boston Patriots in 1969 (see http://deadspin.com/the-big-book-of-black-quarterbacks-1517763742).

b.) The first black QB to start in the NFL, Marlin Briscoe, played for a year in New England as a wide receiver.

Yes, it would be cool for the Patriots to acknowledge their first ever start by a black QB. But such PR is best left to the team's PR department, not the coaching staff, which is got enough other things to worry about right now.

EDIT: Forgot how to do subtraction. Thanks Marc Sullivan Fan!
 
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It's amazing that it's only 2.5 when you consider we're likely starting our rookie 3rd string QB. What's that line for any non-Patriots team?
Now between +1 and pickem. 2.5 was a bad line, too much for the sharps to lay off.
 

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Keep in mind that until this season's opener, only 5 QB's have started meaningful games for the Patriots over the prior 12 seasons. Just nothing this because there have been precious few starts available for QB's not named Brady or Bledsoe over the years:

Brady (223 starts)
Bledsoe (123)
Cassel (15)
Zolak (3)

Actually, Zolak is 5th. I've spoilered the 4th place QB:

Scott Secules (4)

Some other tidbits:

a.) The first black QB drafted solely to play QB by an NFL team, Onree Jackson, was drafted by the Boston Patriots in 1969 (see http://deadspin.com/the-big-book-of-black-quarterbacks-1517763742).

b.) The first black QB to start in the NFL, Marlin Briscoe, played for a year in New England as a wide receiver.

Yes, it would be cool for the Patriots to acknowledge their first ever start by a black QB. But such PR is best left to the team's PR department, not the coaching staff, which is got enough other things to worry about right now.
22 seasons, right?