Do you mean in 2024 or if they sign someone off the street for Week 10?
It’s not that finding someone better will be easy or that there isn’t a chance it could get worse. They have 2 wins and the worst record in the AFC and the worst point differential in the league. They suck. Who cares if it could get worse? It’s just such an inane point to make, and if you are in favor of moving on from Mac I literally do not understand why you keep saying this. Who the fuck cares that it could be worse?
After watching the synergy between Mac and the receivers today I would say practice is overrated.
I hope not. Burrow is awesome. Mac could be compared to the injured version, though injured Burrow is still a lot better.
It's also possible to envision an improvement in the form of better on-field demeanor and less distractions (e.g., cheap shots) with the same caliber of QB play. I don't think meeting that bar will be exceptionally difficult. Mac is a fungible asset.
I just want to know by what measure is that a distinct possibility. There are like 5 backups you can get at low money for next year in FA that'll give you the same.
Could not agree more with this post. I'm not necessarily attributing this view to the BaseballJones per se, but the notion of being unwilling to try something new or to do things differently because "things could be worse" is the calling card of self-induced mediocrity or worse. I had friends who worked for Chicago's public schools administration who joked that the internal credo was "Excellence will not be tolerated." Building an offense around Mac Jones in 2024 would certainly embody that philosophy.
You’d be surprised just how easy it would be to get a worse QB than Mac Jones.
I gave two measures: Mac’s career record as a starter and his actual passing performance. Neither is very good but there have been tons of starting QBs in the NFL who have been way way worse.
Yep. I don’t care who plays QB the rest of this season. It’ll be Mac, unless he gets hurt. And that’s fine.
At this point I’d risk it. Mac Jones is a terrible QB. If they actually try to upgrade the position by getting rid of him I’m fine with that even if it doesn’t work out. I’ve seen enough Mac Jones for a lifetime.
I trust that you’ve read my posts which include the fact that I’ve stated numerous times that they need to draft their next QB this coming draft and that I’ve not been arguing that they should stay put.
Neither passer rating nor W/L record are a representation of passing performance.
I’d risk it too. Frankly it’s not that big a risk because they’re already one of the worst teams in the league due in large part to their QB play.
I have said this till blue in the face: the vast majority of the team’s problems stem from terrible QB play. Andy Dalton would have this team at .500, and he makes Gardner Minshew look like Dan Marino. But Mac makes Dalton look like Marino too.
And I’ve also been lectured that the receivers are never open. I feel doubly betrayed!
the problem being that even though Jones isn’t good, finding someone better will be very difficult. Who, on an NFL roster right now, is going to be both available and a sure bet to be as good or better than Jones? The veterans are all proven backups, broken down or bad. Cousins would have been the best option but his Achilles injury complicates things. Mayfield might be an upgrade if Tampa doesn’t retain him. Other veteran options would be Brissett, Jimmy G, Tyrod Taylor, Tannehill, Mariota, Winston, Darnold, Lock, Minshew, Bridgewater or Dobbs. After that, you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel with the Snoop Huntley, Mason Rudolph, Blaine Gabbert types.
Sure but that team has 3 first rd picks in Drake London, Kyle Pitts and Bijan Robinson doing squat. Arthur Smith isn't exactly the bastion of offensive genius. I'm pretty sure the fire Arthur Smith thread in whatever the SOSH equivalent will be 5X longer.
Not posting this as a defense of Mac, I've already said he was awful but on the last play I have no idea what the offense was doing. Gesicki seems to be running a decoy and not a good one and Henry and Pop seem to rub each other. With the game on the line if this is the best play you can come up with you have serious issues. I've also seen more than enough Gesicki, if you really want to feature him in the red zone fine but he should not see the field between the 20s.
So please tell me the point of pointing out that the next guy could be worse than Mac? It’s an inane point that adds nothing to the discussion. Of course this is true. Who cares?
London is on pace for 60+ catches, 850+ yards, and 4 TDs this season. Oh, and he is hurt. Pitts is also on pace for 60+ catches, 800 yards, and 2 TD. Robinson is on pace for 200 carries, over 1,000 yards and a few TDs to go with 20 catches for 200 yard pace. That's 3 pass catchers and a RB all having good to very good seasons with, again, a rookie QB and his backup.
Please let's see them at least eff around and find out. I agree with you that Mac Jones is an NFL QB. My guess is that he may be able to be a capable backup at some point.
I'm not even sure how you'd go about doing that if you were trying.
The Patriots want to see what they have with Mac, and they want enough tape for it to be crystal clear. Can he be the guy to win throwing the ball 50 times a game?
Congrats on the nice throw. Now replicate it 5 more times.
I agree his mechanics are horrible and have degraded severely from his rookie season. That play though is really a microcosm of the NE offense this season. Out of the 4 receivers only 1 has even 1/2 yard of separation and the O Line gives up interior pressure almost immediately, Mac actually makes a decent throw and it bounces off the only receiver he could throw to hands for the INT. The more times I watch that the more I want to know what Gesicki is doing on that play. At least Pop and Henry look like they failed at a rub route, Gesicki seems to be striking up a conversation with the defenders.
I think it has been more that they've been playing from behind the entire year as well.
But he DOESNT LEARN. After the Ramsey pick last week, he said he has to learn to just swallow the ball. This is the fucking NFL. People are covered on some plays. How many times a game do you hear "so-and-so had nowhere to throw that ball"? That's the play we want to hang our hat on? Mac falling away on his throw to a receiver completely draped in coverage?
I’ve never understood this. Why would a team feel like they need to abandon the run game if they’re down, say, 14-0 late in the first quarter?
That would explain why their rushing attempts (22nd) and yards (25th) are relatively low, but if teams are playing us to pass because they're ahead, you'd expect our rushing yards per carry to be on the higher end (fewer attempts and more DBs on the defense). Given a solid passing attack I think our running game could potentially be very effective, but when other teams can just load up on it because our passing game isn't a threat to complete anything deep, it just doesn't have a chance.
I guess if Mac could have magically had the ball in his hands the split second of your pic they might have had something. Gesicki is still getting set in the first pic as the CB starts to go over and a second later they’ve got it covered. They ended up snapping at 13:33.
