That’s what I thought. So how could they be 0-11?
I mean, doesn’t matter really if it’s 1-10 or whatever, the broader point stands.
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I mean, doesn’t matter really if it’s 1-10 or whatever, the broader point stands.
that was 25 games ago so it’s probably a since that game stat, idk for sure
Buffalo was a 3 pt favorite. Maybe it’s excluding games where Mac threw less than (fewer?) 4 passes?
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I think that had to be the plan, though, right? Most sane people agreed that Patricia was a nightmare last year, and we had to see what Mac could actually do with a real offense.
That doesn't mean give him 5 games and then pivot. They need to decide if he's the future or if he's not. He gets the season to figure it out. It's why BB made it clear that Mac is the starter, even after the Cowboys debacle.
Having Minschew as a backup does nothing. If Mac stumbles, its not like Minschew is going to turn this roster into a winner. All it does is create controversy when they're clearly giving Mac this season to prove himself.
Of course he does. He’s a QB that literally no one else in the NFL wanted.
Mac’s going to continue to start because we have no other option… thanks to Bill’s atrocious roster construction.
Given all the injuries piling up... Might as well run with these guys and try to get in position to move up for Maye (or maybe just draft him where we land)
Mac can start, I don't care about this season. Leave him in there. Just no way he's the guy. Can't go into 2024 with him at quarterback. Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray, a draft pick, a trade, figure it out, just can't stick with him.
I was hoping for Kyle Allen as a backup, but he ended up in Buffalo of all places.
It was unfathomable to me that Bill wouldn’t bring in a vet backup QB. It made absolutely no sense.
I mean...practice isn't the game Mac probably looks like fine in practice.
This was the season to find out what Mac is... They're finiding out.
They cut Zappe for a reason they wanted to try a high upside guy in Corral... Appears to have mental health issues that prevented that, otherwise he'd be the one playing. No point trading assets for a subpar vet (even if you can, which the Jets have shown is tough)
This - like I don't know what happens this season, but I really hope the starting QB for the 2024 Pats is not on the roster now.
Sure it did... Either Mac is the guy or you aren't doing anything this year. You couldn't get the guys who wanted a chance to compete in camp for starter role (Brissett) and the rest might win you a game or two but not difference makers... Only guy I thought made sense was maybe Lance as a higher pedigree version of the Corral punt.
Play Mac and tank, it is the best long-term move for the team to finish in the top 5 at worst. The NFL doesn't have a lottery (yet). If they do something gimmicky with Zappe or Malik and win a couple games they shouldn't, it will be worse for the team long-term.
Obvious disclaimer before anyone jumps down my throat, the players don't actually tank, they try hard blah blah blah. You just need to trade the guys that actually have talent and can contribute to other teams so the guys left are trying their best but keep losing.
Obvious disclaimer before anyone jumps down my throat, the players don't actually tank, they try hard blah blah blah. You just need to trade the guys that actually have talent and can contribute to other teams so the guys left are trying their best but keep losing.
Or he knew that the team wasn't a legit super bowl contender this year, and the single most important goal this year was to determine whether or not Mac was the future at QB. If the answer to that question is no (safe to say that answer to that question is no), better to bottom out than to have a mediocre backup come in and pump up the win total by 2-3 games.
Bourne, Henry, Gesicki, Uche, Jennings, Dugger are all pending UFA's that *might* have some value in the trade market. Even collecting some Day 2/3 picks for them would be fine.
It's definitely the Jets who would be the ones declining a Wilson for Mac swap at this point.
Dugger would be my guess as the most valuable. Henry would be worth something too if the Pats eat most of the money. But yeah, 6th for 7th round type deals. I don't think there would be much interest in the rest.
I just do not get what happened to Mac.
His shortcomings were clear after year 1 but it was easy to see a path towards fixing them.
Instead, he has improved nothing. His mechanics suck, his decision-making sucks and he still seems like a petulant child.
Is it Alabama disease? The team is very good around them, but they think they are the reason for success so they get it in their head that they are a golden god? Did Tua only escape this because he got hurt and hit in the face with reality?
His shortcomings were clear after year 1 but it was easy to see a path towards fixing them.
Instead, he has improved nothing. His mechanics suck, his decision-making sucks and he still seems like a petulant child.
Is it Alabama disease? The team is very good around them, but they think they are the reason for success so they get it in their head that they are a golden god? Did Tua only escape this because he got hurt and hit in the face with reality?
There are other issues, and the o-line seems to suck, but I feel like Mac throws a lot of underthrown balls to receivers on the outside where he’s expecting the WR to somehow make the play on it. Seems like 3-4 times a game
I disagree. What if Mac blew out his ACL in game 1? Or we were playing well but he got hurt and missed several games? Give up? I don’t believe Bill’s sole goal for the season was to see if Max was good or not. His plan is always to win as many games as possible.
Hell, forget a vet backup. How about ANY backup? Bailey is atrocious and literally everyone in the league knows it.
I had a first round grade on Tua and a positionally unadjusted grade that translates into a low second or high third round pick for Mac. This was always one of Mac's potential outcomes. It's the worst outcome but it was possible.
Here's what I posted in the game thread:
It's really not a mystery. It's the same thing that happens to every player (in every sport) that succeeds when they first join the league - opponents make adjustments. Mac cannot and could never consistently complete the deep ball in the NFL, and once opponents recognized that, they moved everyone closer to the line of scrimmage and made the passes he could complete much more difficult. Opponents made adjustments and the Pats (and Mac) either have not or cannot adjust along with it. Now it's in his head, he's pressing, and it's making everything worse.
It's both simple and sad, but not at all uncommon.
It's not even the deep ball to me, he can't throw towards the sidelines and can't challenge windows in the intermediate/deep middle of the field. I actually think he throws a beautiful fade against man coverage, he can drop that in the bucket, but he can't challenge windows anywhere unless it's in the short middle.
They’ve also seen the OL play really deteriorate over his time here. Alongside a very limited group of skill players, it’s all a bad mix.
He’s a guy who probably needs his targets to be very open all the time. He doesn’t have a ton of time, isn’t seeing the field well, and doesn’t have guys getting open. And he seems unready for the times when the blocking and route running and everything else actually do come together.
He’s a guy who probably needs his targets to be very open all the time. He doesn’t have a ton of time, isn’t seeing the field well, and doesn’t have guys getting open. And he seems unready for the times when the blocking and route running and everything else actually do come together.
Mac was one of those guys it felt like who people that were really high on him said...
He's above the physical minimum for the NFL and he's smart and tough and makes good decisions so he'll suceed"
And maybe if he went to SF he would have. But there wasn't much tape or way to know how he'd handle getting hit in the mouth and having to make more tough decisions quicker while keeping the high level of mechanics he needs to succeed. I feel like Mac is destined to have a couple really good seasons somewhere as an emergency starter. He just to me can't execute under pressure, and once he feels pressure he loses the ability to identify where the pressure will be or is so he starts panicking even in okay pockets and is footwork and reads fall apart
A coach from the Belichick tree was driving Tua out of the league before he was fired. Tua luckily found himself with a good offensive coach, and Miami heavily invested in skill players.
Correct.
Just like last game, there's no option. You give him the season and cross your fingers.
Again, I'm cool with them giving him a Patricia-less year to see if he could play a real offense. Now that it's obvious he can't, I'm shaking my head at the decision to not compete for Lamar Jackson's services.
Well that’s what happens when you never step into a throw and throw everything like your feet are in concrete or you are falling and jumping backwards even when their isn’t pressure
I think Meyers helped Mac a lot. They always had chemistry. Whenever Mac had one of those plays where it looked like he had great anticipation and chemistry, it was with Jakobi most of the time. A little with Henry. But Jakobi was Mac’s chain mover. 1700 yards, 150 catches, and 80 first downs together in two years. Not huge WR1 numbers, but the defense was good enough, and the OL just barely good enough, that Mac having a binkie really helped everything.
It wasn’t Brady and Moss, but I think letting Jakobi go was a mistake in retrospect. You can’t deny they had some chemistry and it elevated Mac’s play.
It wasn’t Brady and Moss, but I think letting Jakobi go was a mistake in retrospect. You can’t deny they had some chemistry and it elevated Mac’s play.
They don’t compete for anyone’s services if it’s an offensive player of real consequence.
Just guys you take in the 5th round of your fantasy draft.
It's everything. Every QB has limitations, but Mac's are more severe than most QB1 level guys. Once the league came around to them all, opponents were able to make what he could do that much harder. At the point, he either had to start making some of those deep throws (or sideline and challenge throws), or he had to be that much better in the few areas that he is proficient (short to medium accuracy, tough, decision making). He still could have succeeded to some degree if he'd been able to do that and had the guys around him to help, but he doesn't have the supporting cast to overcome everything else. Now he's clearly pressing and knows he's running out of chances to prove he can start, so it's all falling apart.
It's rough because Belichick (the coach or the GM) hasn't done him any favors, and before last week I would have argued his struggles were a distant 3rd behind the offensive line and skill players as the main problem with the offense. One could still make that argument, but it doesn't matter because even if he's not the main problem, he's 100% not the answer. Time to move on, either now or in 3 months. He can no longer be a part of this team's future.
The line isn't this horrible in terms of personnel, what gives here? They weren't anywhere near this bad last year either.
