This is where I am. Also not a really good thing. I mean Mac doesn't have the rocket arm, but he seems to have the really poor decision making.If I squinted my eyes during today’s game I could see Drew Bledsoe.
That’s not a compliment.
This is where I am. Also not a really good thing. I mean Mac doesn't have the rocket arm, but he seems to have the really poor decision making.If I squinted my eyes during today’s game I could see Drew Bledsoe.
That’s not a compliment.
I admitted as much. He sucks and I hated the pick from day 1. I try and stay open minded, but it's getting really hard.See, now you're underselling the excellent plays he made today. So yeah, that answers my question from the game thread. You're a Mac hater.
Which, of course, you have every right to be, and I understand why you are. I just don't have the same view as you. I think he's got a lot of growing to do, so in no way am I arguing that he's great or anything like that. But I have a higher opinion of him than you do, obviously.
It is okay to hate the pick, but what else where the Pats supposed to do? I mean a top QB fell to them at 15. Cam definitely wasn't even close to the answer. I mean trade up for Fields - he is like the one QB that has been even worse than Mac this year (and I liked him coming out of the draft). It is a QB league, not sure what BB was supposed to do at 15 if not Jones.I admitted as much. He sucks and I hated the pick from day 1. I try and stay open minded, but it's getting really hard.
And even if they do, Belichick will draft the best available defensive lineman, or trade down. He’s not drafting a QB that high.They’re not getting the top pick.
I've mentioned this before, but I wanted Fields and am ok getting flamed for it. He's the superior athlete in a shit situation in Chicago. He's been terrible, but not sure how to evaluate him.It is okay to hate the pick, but what else where the Pats supposed to do? I mean a top QB fell to them at 15. Cam definitely wasn't even close to the answer. I mean trade up for Fields - he is like the one QB that has been even worse than Mac this year (and I liked him coming out of the draft). It is a QB league, not sure what BB was supposed to do at 15 if not Jones.
The real mistake was not taking Hurts in 2020. Worst case, he would have just been a younger version of what they ultimately got with Cam Newton, which was not very good. And we've seen how he's improved since then.It is okay to hate the pick, but what else where the Pats supposed to do? I mean a top QB fell to them at 15. Cam definitely wasn't even close to the answer. I mean trade up for Fields - he is like the one QB that has been even worse than Mac this year (and I liked him coming out of the draft). It is a QB league, not sure what BB was supposed to do at 15 if not Jones.
Trade for Jimmy G (which they wanted to do, but only if he’d agree to take less money) and draft the best available defensive player.It is okay to hate the pick, but what else where the Pats supposed to do? I mean a top QB fell to them at 15. Cam definitely wasn't even close to the answer. I mean trade up for Fields - he is like the one QB that has been even worse than Mac this year (and I liked him coming out of the draft). It is a QB league, not sure what BB was supposed to do at 15 if not Jones.
Decision-making, perhapsIf I squinted my eyes during today’s game I could see Drew Bledsoe.
That’s not a compliment.
I would love to know what BB sees in Jimmy G. He didn't get enough (allegedly) when first trading him and tried to run the greatest QB in franchise history out of town for him (allegedly). Shanahan has had insane success with Jimmy G, but still traded a ton of draft capital to get a different QB and replace Jimmy.Trade for Jimmy G (which they wanted to do, but only if he’d agree to take less money) and draft the best available defensive player.
This is the problem. Pats fans complaining about someone looking like Drew Bledsoe shows how out of touch fans here have become after 20 years of the greatest football in history. Mac didn’t look as good as Bledsoe was, so I’m not saying he was good or anything today, but just the idea Bledsoe was a horror is really kind of appalling.If I squinted my eyes during today’s game I could see Drew Bledsoe.
That’s not a compliment.
Bledsoe was the QB that with Parcells brought the Pats back to relevance after some really tough times (in the late 80s and early 90s). I think he was the first jersey I had as a kid.I fucking hate when people drag Drew Bledsoe. The shit that guy takes from Pats fans is really unconscionable. Yes he was very limited by the time Mo Lewis almost killed him, but he was a good QB early in his career, albeit in a different era so his stats don’t stack up to guys who have played during the last 20 years or so. If Mac Jones ends up having Drew Bledsoe’s career (adjusted for era, statistically) we should be very happy about it.
I’ll die on the Drew hill any day. He took the Pats from football Siberia to relevance. He also makes damn good wine.I fucking hate when people drag Drew Bledsoe. The shit that guy takes from Pats fans is really unconscionable. Yes he was very limited by the time Mo Lewis almost killed him, but he was a good QB early in his career, albeit in a different era so his stats don’t stack up to guys who have played during the last 20 years or so. If Mac Jones ends up having Drew Bledsoe’s career (adjusted for era, statistically) we should be very happy about it.
100%I fucking hate when people drag Drew Bledsoe. The shit that guy takes from Pats fans is really unconscionable. Yes he was very limited by the time Mo Lewis almost killed him, but he was a good QB early in his career, albeit in a different era so his stats don’t stack up to guys who have played during the last 20 years or so. If Mac Jones ends up having Drew Bledsoe’s career (adjusted for era, statistically) we should be very happy about it.
One thing that's changed is we're no longer asking Mac to take what the defense is giving him. Now he's being asked to zip high leverage throws into the middle of a defense, into tight coverage, at crunch time. Not clear he can do it. That is, does he have the arm strength, does he see the field well enough, and has he figured out how his arm plays in this league?I think it’s fair to say that through three games this season, Mac has regressed in terms of decision making. Which, given his physical limitations, is critically important. The question is why— change in offensive scheme? coaches? defenses prepping for him differently? Something else?
Yeah, I said it in the game thread, I saw that fumble long before it happened (probably a lot of us did).Agholor fumble: that play situation so often leads to a fumble that I sat up nervously while it was unfolding and was scarcely disappointed when the ball was punched out. There's something about a guy running downfield in open space, not aware of the defender gaining on him from behind and slowing down to let the play develop in front of him that seems to lead to innumerable fumbles.
Pretty sure I’d rather have a glass of wine with Bledsoe than a TB12 smoothie with Brady. He seems like a really cool guy from what I’ve seen of him post career.I’ll die on the Drew hill any day. He took the Pats from football Siberia to relevance. He also makes damn good wine.
I want to shotgun a beer with Brady!Pretty sure I’d rather have a glass of wine with Bledsoe than a TB12 smoothie with Brady. He seems like a really cool guy from what I’ve seen of him post career.
Yes, they have clearly taken the training wheels off to some extent this year. Which raises the question - is Mac just incapable of handling anything other than a very conservative playbook, or is he just hitting a somewhat natural plateau where he will improve once he gets used to it?One thing that's changed is we're no longer asking Mac to take what the defense is giving him. Now he's being asked to zip high leverage throws into the middle of a defense, into tight coverage, at crunch time. Not clear he can do it. That is, does he have the arm strength, does he see the field well enough, and has he figured out how his arm plays in this league?
His lack of arm strength is striking when you watch him in person.
He certainly seemed capable of the throws, the issue today was his decision making on 2-3 plays.Yes, they have clearly taken the training wheels off to some extent this year. Which raises the question - is Mac just incapable of handling anything other than a very conservative playbook, or is he just hitting a somewhat natural plateau where he will improve once he gets used to it?
That's why it's so annoying if he's out for an extended period of time - he needs all the in-game experience he can get, and the coaching staff needs it too to deterine what they actually have in Mac.
You’d think guys who catch and carry footballs for a living wouldn’t lose awareness like that and would carry it high Tiki Barber-style, but I got that same sinking feeling watching him run. The recovery was also fortunate luck for Peters. Had to bounce just right.Agholor fumble: that play situation so often leads to a fumble that I sat up nervously while it was unfolding and was scarcely disappointed when the ball was punched out. There's something about a guy running downfield in open space, not aware of the defender gaining on him from behind and slowing down to let the play develop in front of him that seems to lead to innumerable fumbles.
But he has Bledsoe’s decision making.100%
Mac wishes he had Bledsoes arm
Just wait until you see the third one.Mac- Hate to kick a guy while he’s down, but his two picks were just brutal.
Agholor- His fumble was just a back breaker. Great play by Hamilton, but ball security is not negotiable.
Defense- with the caveat that they played well at times, and were put into too many bad situations late in the game, they got absolutely shredded for the 3 scores in the middle of the game. Coaching and execution has to be better.
I'm not sure how the Bourne own fumble recovery works in that count you did for today. Shouldn't it be Two NE fumbles one lost?Fumble Luck (TM) this season for NE:
vs Mia:
- Defense caused 4 fumbles, Mia recovered 4
- Offense lost 2 fumbles, Mia recovered 2
- TOTAL: 6 fumbles, 0 for NE, 6 for opp
vs Pit:
- Defense caused 1 fumble, NE recovered 1
- Offense lost 0 fumbles
- TOTAL: 1 fumble, 1 for NE, 0 for opp
vs Bal:
- Defense caused 1 fumble, NE recovered 1
- Offense lost 1 fumble, Bal recovered 1
- TOTAL: 2 fumbles, 1 for NE, 1 for Bal
Season total:
- Defense caused 6 fumbles: NE got 2, Opp got 4
- Offense lost 3 fumbles: NE got 0, Opp got 3
So it's 7-2 in terms of fumble recoveries. The Pats' D has done a good job through three games getting the ball out. They just haven't had too much to show for it.
Forcing it up down 10 with 90 seconds under pressure, I wouldn’t put that in the same category.Just wait until you see the third one.
No issues with the game calling today. 26 points and could have had more of not for all the turnovers.So nobody is going to give Matt Patricia any guff for today? After all, it's his offensive program they're running. He doesn't tell Jones to throw the ball to the other team, obviously, but he's pretty much the one calling everything.
I completely forget that play. What happened on that one?I'm not sure how the Bourne own fumble recovery works in that count you did for today. Shouldn't it be Two NE fumbles one lost?
Agree. Actually thought calling was solid all day. He can’t execute for them.No issues with the game calling today. 26 points and could have had more of not for all the turnovers.
Patricia’s not the guy telling Mac to throw picks into the end zone.
Many of those seemed to rely on picks/rubs that just didn’t happen for one reason or another. But yeah, uninspired.The short yardage play-calls deserve a ton of criticism
This used to be the bread and butter of the Pats offense. I was always under the assumption that the day McD left, there would be a ton of institutional knowledge to pass along. If Matt P has no real experience as a coordinator, why isn't he just using the playbook they've had for almost 2 decades now? I don't understand this concept of having to start from scratch given that BB is still in charge, and has been an architect of the offense as well.Many of those seemed to rely on picks/rubs that just didn’t happen for one reason or another. But yeah, uninspired.
I can’t remember if it was Bourne or not. But there was one towards the end where wr fumbled and recovered his own. Toward the middle of the field near a hash mark. Raven almost got it. But after the algohor fumble and mac injury the whole end just bled together for me.I completely forget that play. What happened on that one?
If I squinted my eyes during today’s game I could see Drew Bledsoe.
That’s not a compliment.
Lil'Jordan Humphrey is taking a lot of his snaps at the moment.Henry going MIA has been definitely something. Jonnu is arguably out-producing him!