The Dean Blandino makes excuses thread (12/22- Blandino explains the Newton call)

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I feel like Dean Blandino needs his own thread since he will be going on NFLN a lot this season trying to explain why the refs fucked up a call or make excuses for why a blown call was correct.... Here is this weeks...

NFL Media ‏@NFLMedia 1h1 hour ago
"We reviewed all of the hits in the game...and there was one call that we felt was missed." @DeanBlandino on Panthers-Broncos

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.@DeanBlandino on when a QB loses QB protections: "It’s basically the posture will dictate his protections."


The fallout from the Carolina Panthers' Week 1 loss to the Denver Broncos centered on a series of helmet-to-helmet hits absorbed by Cam Newton.

Coach Ron Rivera intimated that his quarterback doesn't receive the same "veteran favoritism" as other established stars due to Newton's size and physicality.

The NFL's vice president of officiating confirmed a report by NFL Network's Judy Battista that one of the unflagged hits on Newton should have been a penalty.

"We reviewed all of the hits in the game, just like we do for every other game," Dean Blandino said on Tuesday's edition of NFL Total Access, "and there was one call that we felt was missed."

The blow in question was delivered byBroncos linebacker Brandon Marshall, who launched himself into Newton, hitting the quarterback in the helmet.

While it's true that Newton absorbs more hits than traditional dropback passers such as Tom Brady and Drew Brees, Blandino clarified that quarterbacks lose protection when they transition from passing threat to running threat.

"It's basically the posture will dictate his protection," Blandino explained. "So if he's in running posture, ball tucked, advancing it as a runner, he's treated like a runner and he doesn't get special protection. If he's in a passing posture, whether he's inside the pocket/outside the pocket, he's still going to get passer protection -- head, neck, crown to the body -- those types of protection. So it's the posture that dictates the protection.

"You can be scrambling in the pocket/outside the pocket, tuck the ball and then bring the ball up to throw and throw a forward pass. So you go from a runner to a passer again, so it can go back and forth."

When Newton finally drew a personal foul late in the fourth quarter, many questioned why it was ruled an offsetting penalty due to his own intentional grounding infraction on the play.

In an era of heightened concussion awareness, shouldn't the helmet-to-helmet hit trump the intentional grounding penalty?

"That's the rule," Blandino said. "If it were a 5-yard penalty on the offense, say it was an illegal formation or an illegal shift, that 5-yard penalty would go away and only the 15-yard personal foul would be enforced. But if it's a 10-yard penalty or a foul like grounding, the fouls offset."

In other words, the offsetting penalties are an issue decided by the NFL's competition committee rather than the gameday officials.

Although Newton will continue to take legal hits as a runner, the controversy surrounding the 2016 NFL Kickoff should lead officials to keep a more watchful eye on his head area while he's in the process of throwing.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000702199/article/dean-blandino-posture-key-to-cam-newtons-protection?campaign=Twitter_atn




Link to his full segment on NFLN (WEEK ONE!)
 

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We can also use this as a way to see if his "excuses" vary depending on the week. (Like it would not shock me if he makes up a different reason as to why a H2H hit was not called in an upcoming week)
 

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The league should eject players for helmet to helmet hits, particularly on QBs. Forcing teams to take concussed players out of the game completely and leaving penalties for helmet to helmet hits at merely a 15 yard penalty and a small chance at a tiny fine is making the problem worse.
 

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If not kill the game, it's going to kill a player on the field soon enough.

I was genuinely scared for Newton on opening night.
Small sample size, but three of the youth football leagues in our area have seen enrollment sliced by nearly half over the last 10 years. Not all of that is attributable to head concerns obviously, but my sense is that is a huge driver.
 

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Steward and Marshall were fined like $25K each. Yeah that'll stop em from trying to knock out the MVP QB
The only things that will stop the headhunting are ejections and suspensions. A hit like Marshall's on Newton, or Talib's ridiculous facemask takedown of the Carolina receiver in the Super Bowl, are blatantly dangerous and have the high potential for life-changing injury. They have no place in the game and need to be stopped. Such plays really ought to result in 1) a penalty to the team in terms of yardage (to pressure teams to coach their players and ensure they don't play dangerously), 2) an ejection from the game of the offending player (Talib would likely have acted differently if there were a chance he'd miss the rest of the Super Bowl), and 3) suspensions of players who headhunt and play dangerously (Marshall tried to decapitate Newton. There's no good reason why he shouldn't sit out 4 games).

That's what would work. Fines won't work, talk won't work. High consequences will work.
 

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I'm sure this is going to go down a rat hole and people start circling the wagons but I think this is one area where soccer / FIFA does it right (aside from the 80 things they do wrong) with the yellow / red card system.

2 yellow cards you're ejected.
One blatant with a red card, you're ejected and suspended the next game
Too many yellow cards over X period, you're suspended a game

Do I have any confidence the NFL could actually execute it? No but it's the right answer. Hockey and the Shanniban system would work too, except again it's the NFL.
 

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Well, Aaron Donald essentially got two yellow cards and was ejected, so there's a parallel there. If you punch you're ejected straight away like a red card. I think rather than make it more complex with more rules, the league just needs to start suspending people and fuck off with the pissant fines. If Marshall and Stewart were suspended for this Sunday the entire league would stand up and take notice.

Also, finding it funny that Stewart got fined $18K for what, according to Blandino, wasn't a penalty. Makes perfect sense.
 

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago


Broncos' not only players fined for opener. Panthers' G Trai Turner also fined $9,115 for taunting, per source.


So targeting QB head = 2.5 times as bad as taunting. Just trying to keep my NFL math straight. We all know general awareness of football deflation = 4 times as much as driving 120 MPH with a gun and weed and a child in the car.
 

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The only things that will stop the headhunting are ejections and suspensions. A hit like Marshall's on Newton, or Talib's ridiculous facemask takedown of the Carolina receiver in the Super Bowl, are blatantly dangerous and have the high potential for life-changing injury. They have no place in the game and need to be stopped. Such plays really ought to result in 1) a penalty to the team in terms of yardage (to pressure teams to coach their players and ensure they don't play dangerously), 2) an ejection from the game of the offending player (Talib would likely have acted differently if there were a chance he'd miss the rest of the Super Bowl), and 3) suspensions of players who headhunt and play dangerously (Marshall tried to decapitate Newton. There's no good reason why he shouldn't sit out 4 games).

That's what would work. Fines won't work, talk won't work. High consequences will work.
I said it in the game thread that—loathe as I am to entertain the possibility—I'd think about throwing harsher team penalties in there as well. Nothing at the discretion of the Commish, just something cumulative and clearly defined that will force teams to think twice before rostering players like BIG BANG CLOCK if the build-up punishments don't change the way they play.
 

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago


Broncos' not only players fined for opener. Panthers' G Trai Turner also fined $9,115 for taunting, per source.


So targeting QB head = 2.5 times as bad as taunting. Just trying to keep my NFL math straight. We all know general awareness of football deflation = 4 times as much as driving 120 MPH with a gun and weed and a child in the car.
Well are you sure the gun and the weed didn't belong to the child.
 

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Well, Aaron Donald essentially got two yellow cards and was ejected, so there's a parallel there. If you punch you're ejected straight away like a red card. I think rather than make it more complex with more rules, the league just needs to start suspending people and fuck off with the pissant fines. If Marshall and Stewart were suspended for this Sunday the entire league would stand up and take notice.

Also, finding it funny that Stewart got fined $18K for what, according to Blandino, wasn't a penalty. Makes perfect sense.
Punching is an autoeject? So I can throw a punch at someone wearing a helmet or chest pads that'll have no effect on the recipient and get kicked out or I can run 20 mph and spear him in the face with my helmet risking a concussion and get 15 yards and have to pay a tiny percentage of my salary?
 

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I'm sure this is going to go down a rat hole and people start circling the wagons but I think this is one area where soccer / FIFA does it right (aside from the 80 things they do wrong) with the yellow / red card system.

2 yellow cards you're ejected.
One blatant with a red card, you're ejected and suspended the next game
Too many yellow cards over X period, you're suspended a game

Do I have any confidence the NFL could actually execute it? No but it's the right answer. Hockey and the Shanniban system would work too, except again it's the NFL.
Wasn't this basically what people thought the new policy was going to be when Goodell floated the 2 personal fouls and you're ejected rule right before the super bowl? Instead it became 2 taunting penalties and you're out (because taunting is worse than head hunting). Seems pretty simple to execute at least in game.
 

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So, one has to wonder if injuries/anthem crap is driving this:

Via Forbes, the Thursday night opener between the Panthers and Broncosdrew 25.2 million, down eight percent from 2015 (Steelers-Patriots) and six percent from 2014 (Packers-Seahawks). Also, Sunday night’s game between the Patriots and Cardinals generated an audience of 20.65 million. Despite the game being decided at the last second, the audience fell 18 percent in the 18-to-49 demographic, in comparison to last year’s Giants-Cowboys Sunday night opener.
According to SportsBusiness Daily, the ratings for the early game dropped from 9.8 in 2015 (Eagles-Falcons) to 9.1 for Steelers-Washington. The late game had an even bigger decline, with last year’s Vikings-49ers 9.5 shrinking to 7.1 for Rams-49ers.
 

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So, one has to wonder if injuries/anthem crap is driving this:
Really? I think it's much more likely that stuff like Bruce Arians's monumentally stupid comments and the concussion stuff coming home to roost is the driver. I haven't spoken to any women who are "on the fence" anymore about the NFL; universally, I'm told "my kid will never play football" when the topic comes up.
 

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Well, I did say injuries...so, yeah, that would be the main driver.
 

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Well, I did say injuries...so, yeah, that would be the main driver.
You are correct - I glossed over that and replied to the second part. My bad.

The coverage of Cam Newton in Week 1 probably exacerbated the situation.
 

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Arizona has a tiny fan base compared to the Giant-Cowboys. Not sure about the MNF early game but anyone that actively wanted to watch the 49ers-Rams, and anyone that actually watched it through, is a a masochist. Both teams suck and are boring as all hell.
 

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The only things that will stop the headhunting are ejections and suspensions. A hit like Marshall's on Newton, or Talib's ridiculous facemask takedown of the Carolina receiver in the Super Bowl, are blatantly dangerous and have the high potential for life-changing injury. They have no place in the game and need to be stopped. Such plays really ought to result in 1) a penalty to the team in terms of yardage (to pressure teams to coach their players and ensure they don't play dangerously), 2) an ejection from the game of the offending player (Talib would likely have acted differently if there were a chance he'd miss the rest of the Super Bowl), and 3) suspensions of players who headhunt and play dangerously (Marshall tried to decapitate Newton. There's no good reason why he shouldn't sit out 4 games).

That's what would work. Fines won't work, talk won't work. High consequences will work.
They should also review tapes and apply suspensions for things that weren't called during the game. Refs miss a lot of things at game speed.
It's one thing if you get away with a hold or a PI or whatever during the game. That's part of the system.
But a dangerous tackle shouldn't be something that players try to sneak in there.

They do that now with fines I guess, but they should extend that mandate to suspensions. Either that, or have an officiating crew in the NFL offices reviewing hits basically in real time. If a play or two goes off before the suspension can be called-in, so be it. But that player would still then have to leave the field during that game, as soon as it's reviewed.
 

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So, one has to wonder if injuries/anthem crap is driving this:
Where can I go to place money on the league office and owners overacting to a drop in ratings by implementing some short sighted and ham fisted attempts to draw in more fans that will ultimately be huge failures and accomplish nothing but pissing off actual football fans?
 

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Where can I go to place money on the league office and owners overacting to a drop in ratings by implementing some short sighted and ham fisted attempts to draw in more fans that will ultimately be huge failures and accomplish nothing but pissing off actual football fans?
Smart owners have to recognize that an NFL team is not a growth opportunity, right? If they are smart they will put zero money into new initiatives, paper over potential PR hits, and sell in a few years. But most NFL owners have money to spare and treat a team like a luxury good, not an investment. So we will see.

When Jeffrey Lurie, Zygi Wilf, or Shahid Khan sells, that will be the canary in the coal mine.
 

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Really? I think it's much more likely that stuff like Bruce Arians's monumentally stupid comments and the concussion stuff coming home to roost is the driver. I haven't spoken to any women who are "on the fence" anymore about the NFL; universally, I'm told "my kid will never play football" when the topic comes up.
I agree. The repeated head shots Cam took on Thurday night were sickening. People are increasingly critical of the NFL for good reason and decreased interest in the product is a logical outcome.
 

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Arizona has a tiny fan base compared to the Giant-Cowboys. Not sure about the MNF early game but anyone that actively wanted to watch the 49ers-Rams, and anyone that actually watched it through, is a a masochist. Both teams suck and are boring as all hell.
That, plus the fact that everyone out side of NE are sick of the Patriots.
 

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Arizona has a tiny fan base compared to the Giant-Cowboys. Not sure about the MNF early game but anyone that actively wanted to watch the 49ers-Rams, and anyone that actually watched it through, is a a masochist. Both teams suck and are boring as all hell.
I agree and would put the drop down to this, the fact that it was generally a pretty nice day in the major media markets and a very small amount to the concussion stuff. My perception - and I could be wrong - is that very few fans, even casual ones, care much about pros and concussions (to the point of not watching games anyhow), but do care about whether their kids will play. If fantasy football numbers were down, if the numbers remain down, then I would re-examine.
 

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That, plus the fact that everyone out side of NE are sick of the Patriots.
I don't think that the on-field product of the Patriots is viewed any differently than before, and may even have more interest. The off-field and the whininess from the fan base has hit a "how do we turn this shit off" point, but once the whistle blows they are still something people tune in for.

It's one day, let's relax.
 

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I don't think that the on-field product of the Patriots is viewed any differently than before, and may even have more interest. The off-field and the whininess from the fan base has hit a "how do we turn this shit off" point, but once the whistle blows they are still something people tune in for.

It's one day, let's relax.
You fucking relax!
 

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I agree. The repeated head shots Cam took on Thurday night were sickening. People are increasingly critical of the NFL for good reason and decreased interest in the product is a logical outcome.
Maybe it's just the different circles with which I what football, but my experience is that SOSH significantly over indexes in the number of people that have their football viewing experience negatively impacted by hits to the head. Either that or the friends with which I watch and talk about football totally lack any sense of empathy for other humans.

I have no doubt that there is a percentage of the population tuning out due to hits to the head. But I would put that issue on equal footing with other issues, such as:
  • People being put off by shoddy and inconsistent officiating
  • The commercial overkill.... TD, commercial, extra point, commercial, kickoff, commercial!
  • General fatigue/loss of respect with the NFL making stupid decisions
  • Lack of digital offerings to watch games
  • The league currently being filled with a lot of whiners. Looking at you Steelers and Ravens
There are a lot of broad issues with the NFL right now that are probably affecting people in different ways. I do not have much half in the league to correct these in a timely or effective way.

I love watching football but if I had to choose between watching a non-patriots NFL game or a college football game between two top 25 teams then I am watching the college game every time. It's currently a more enjoyable football watching experience for me.
 

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Isn't that a variation of the crack back block? Thus the fine? They've been trying to stop the blind side blocks for a year or two now.
 

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There was a Blandino quote in an ESPN piece on the Steelers / Bengals game where he mentions that the NFL sends the refs advance footage of the teams they are seeing each week. I don't know if this is common knowledge - I was not aware. But it certainly seems like a pretty easy way for the NFL to say, hey, this guy pushes off a lot, this guy runs a lot of pick routes, etc. Could certainly be a factor in how some guys seem to get flagged to death while others walk.
 

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There was a Blandino quote in an ESPN piece on the Steelers / Bengals game where he mentions that the NFL sends the refs advance footage of the teams they are seeing each week. I don't know if this is common knowledge - I was not aware. But it certainly seems like a pretty easy way for the NFL to say, hey, this guy pushes off a lot, this guy runs a lot of pick routes, etc. Could certainly be a factor in how some guys seem to get flagged to death while others walk.
Tim Donaghy is on record saying Stern's office influenced NBA refs to call a game a certain way by sending the refs such points of emphasis.
 

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It just came out that last night it was Ed Hochuli who sent Tyrod Taylor off after a big hit and looking into his eyes. Apparently the spotters are useless. What a farce. And unlike most other NFL farces, this may actually hurt them long term
 

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I thought JE's hit/block was pretty dirty at the time. He'd been chippy the first half (and had been taking some pretty whicked hits), but I could do without those kinds of collisions. Granted, many of these plays are bang-bang in nature, but that seemed like a deliberate attempt to blow someone up.
 

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It just came out that last night it was Ed Hochuli who sent Tyrod Taylor off after a big hit and looking into his eyes. Apparently the spotters are useless. What a farce. And unlike most other NFL farces, this may actually hurt them long term
I wondered last night if any other ref would have made that call.

It's easy for them to leave the decision to to the spotters and not get blamed for a cold backup throwing a pick-six. An average referee wouldn't want to stick his neck out there, but Hochuli isn't one to shy away from the spotlight.
 

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Hochuli is the guy Goodell wanted to shitcan from playoffs because of the 2nd game of the season mistake (it was egregious Denver "no fumble/fumble") then recovered to be one of the best graded teams by Peireira by the end of the season so had earned a playoff spot.

There is a mentality for you... make one mistake, and there is no redeeming in Roger's eyes.

Hochuli is a over the top in explanations, but at least I know why he did what he did after a review even if I disagree vs a lot of other Ref's.
 

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Hochuli is the guy Goodell wanted to shitcan from playoffs because of the 2nd game of the season mistake (it was egregious Denver "no fumble/fumble") then recovered to be one of the best graded teams by Peireira by the end of the season so had earned a playoff spot.

There is a mentality for you... make one mistake, and there is no redeeming in Roger's eyes.

Hochuli is a over the top in explanations, but at least I know why he did what he did after a review even if I disagree vs a lot of other Ref's.
I think you are overstating Roger's position here. First off, it isn't "Roger's position" but rather the views of multiple entities making playoff assignments, grading, etc. Secondly, the Denver play was an absolute debacle. Just horrible. This was very different from missing a few egregious holds. It is important that the public have faith in the product on the field, and Hochuli looked terrible. Finally, Hochuli has gotten some great assignments since that glitch (justifiably so, he is a good ref). How is that "not redemption??"
 

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I think the NFL to survive has to adopt an explicit "no hits above the bottom of the sternum" policy and probably a "no launching for a block/tackle" policy as well. Edelman's hit is not something they want to encourage down at HQ.
 

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I think you are overstating Roger's position here. First off, it isn't "Roger's position" but rather the views of multiple entities making playoff assignments, grading, etc. Secondly, the Denver play was an absolute debacle. Just horrible. This was very different from missing a few egregious holds. It is important that the public have faith in the product on the field, and Hochuli looked terrible. Finally, Hochuli has gotten some great assignments since that glitch (justifiably so, he is a good ref). How is that "not redemption??"
According to Mike Pereira, Goodell did indeed want to block Hochuli from the playoffs for that screwup:

When I took the playoff assignments to Goodell to approve, he told me that Hochuli was not to be in the playoffs, based upon the call he made in Week 2. It wasn’t quite Goodell-Pereira “The Rematch,” but I argued. I couldn’t in good conscience keep them out of the playoffs. I’d be sending a message to every crew out there that if they made a critical mistake at the beginning of the year, even if they battled back to have a better overall season than most crews, they’d be held out of the playoffs. That wouldn’t have been fair, because they had earned the right to make it under the system.

I told Goodell I wouldn’t do it.
Excerpt from Pereira's book here. The juciest tidbit is that Goodell got so worked up during a disagreement with Pereria that he grabbed Mike and shoved/slammed him against an office door, like Veruca Salt getting pissed her dad hasn't yet gotten her an Oompa-Loopa.
 

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So a few things as follow up:

- Goodell "Pushing" Pereira into his office so that they could have a heated discussion about an event in private vs. in a crowded hallway with a lot of folks around is a lot different than has been portrayed since this news came out. If you have worked in any company you have almost certainly seen comparable disputes. This is much more of a "let's go in your office, come on" than the "Goodell physically assaulting Pereira" version......
- Goodell doesn't have the power to pull out refs from playoff assignments Steve, and organizationally he couldn't just overrule Pereira without a ton of organizational support.....it really didn't matter what the hell he thought. Pereira said that he wouldn't do it and it sounds like Goodell pretty immediately pulled back. I'm still missing where Goodell laid down some punitive hammer (that he doesn't have) on Hochuli.
 

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So the CEO of AT&T pushed people around? In what business is it acceptable for the CEO to lay hands on...well, anyone?

And come on now, Goodell was trying to pull Hochuli from the playoffs by force of will and intimidation. "He told me Hochuli was not to be in the playoffs." That's pretty clear. If he doesn't have the power to do that, why the fuck is he pressuring Pereria in any way? It's pretty clear what was going on in the NFL offices from that account.
 

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So the CEO of AT&T pushed people around? In what business is it acceptable for the CEO to lay hands on...well, anyone?

And come on now, Goodell was trying to pull Hochuli from the playoffs by force of will and intimidation. "He told me Hochuli was not to be in the playoffs." That's pretty clear. If he doesn't have the power to do that, why the fuck is he pressuring Pereria in any way? It's pretty clear what was going on in the NFL offices from that account.
If you were to get into a heated argument with a CEO in the middle of a crowded hallway, you think that said CEO wouldn't move towards you and guide you into the office in a somewhat physical manner? I can tell you that while Bob Allen may not have done this, he certainly had flunkies who would have and Mike Armstrong definitely would have done it (CEOs at AT&T when I worked there). Hell, Jamie Dimon at Chase would have done it but not by grabbing him by the shoulder or gently guiding him into the office, but by the neck, ensuring that his head hit the door frame at least once. Ken Chenault at Amex would have simply said "We can discuss this later" and then as Pereira turned around he would have found the entire contents of his office packed up and in the lobby.

Pereira sounds like a complete puss and a guy who is trying to sell books to be frank.

"We shouldn't have this guy in the playoffs. He fucked up royally and made us all look like idiots."
"True, but he and his crew have done a great job since then and they earned the spot."
"Hmmm.....OK, I don't agree with you, but it's your call. Fair enough."

I mean..... conversations like that are happening constantly in corporate america.
 

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I worked at a company where the chairman said effectively that he'd like to slap my face. Of course it was WWE...so maybe it's not comparable with the NFL.

Or maybe it is!
 

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"We shouldn't have this guy in the playoffs. He fucked up royally and made us all look like idiots."
"True, but he and his crew have done a great job since then and they earned the spot."
*goodell grabs pereria and slams him into an office door*
"Hmmm.....OK, I don't agree with you, but it's your call. Fair enough."

I mean..... conversations like that are happening constantly in corporate america.
Fixed that for you.

Anyway, that's getting away from the crux of the original point of this thread, where Cam Newton's brain was getting turned into cottage cheese and the refs didn't do anything about it.
 

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Fixed that for you.

Anyway, that's getting away from the crux of the original point of this thread, where Cam Newton's brain was getting turned into cottage cheese and the refs didn't do anything about it.
I like the thought of Goodell basically bodyslamming people throughout the day. I would like to thank you for introducing "Violent Roger Goodell" into my daily thoughts.