The Adventures of Malik Cunningham

ManicCompression

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I share with you the belief that losing Cunningham is irrelevant to the present and future of the team. Because it is. It has no bearing at all. You still didn’t answer the question and are now agreeing to disagree on a point I never made. It isn’t a positive or a negative that he’s on the Ravens. It just is. The fact he’s on their roster with nothing to go off of since being in the NFL directly negates your previous argument that no other team wanted him because he went undrafted or unsigned. It’s a tired, unbelievably flawed perception that I’m hoping stops getting used around here. Not just for Malik mind you. For all players. It’s being used in the Zappe thread too and it falls flat ever time. It’s assuming the other 31 GMs are only interested in the players on their roster AND they never make mistakes.
I don’t know what you’re on about. I answered your question and said that it’s not just the fact that he’s undrafted, it’s that he’s undrafted with all of these other factors also not in his favor.
 

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I don’t know what you’re on about. I answered your question and said that it’s not just the fact that he’s undrafted, it’s that he’s undrafted with all of these other factors also not in his favor.
My question was what did the Ravens GM, who by your accounts had zero interest in Malik Cunningham as a QB because he went undrafted, see from him during his time here that would all of a sudden pique interest and make him sign him off of our practice squad. Your answer? He probably sees less than what BB sees in Rourke, and now something about the fact that he’s undrafted with other demeaning factors. Literally nothing pertaining to the fact that something made another front office seek him out as a QB even though he was signed here to be a WR.

My whole issue has a lot more to do with the overall ability of the Pats personnel group to effectively evaluate offensive position players. Malik just happens to be the tipping point for the argument.
 

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I think the answer is less about what has changed in their evaluation of Cunningham (nothing) and probably more to do with what might have changed in their roster/depth chart and the point in the season. In other words, Cunningham is constant, but the competition/needs for the Mr. Irrelevant roster spot changed and that has nothing to do with Cunningham.

With regards to earlier in the season, my hypothesis would be that they had drawn up some gadget plays for Cunningham before the game but then the game situations didn’t end up fitting what they had drawn up and/or what the other team was doing on defense didn’t fit well with what they had drawn up. I’ve been fairly unimpressed with the offensive coaching staff this season, but they are also not complete morons. I’m sure they have defensible reasons for the moves they do or do not make.
 

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My question was what did the Ravens GM, who by your accounts had zero interest in Malik Cunningham as a QB because he went undrafted, see from him during his time here that would all of a sudden pique interest and make him sign him off of our practice squad. Your answer? He probably sees less than what BB sees in Rourke, and now something about the fact that he’s undrafted with other demeaning factors. Literally nothing pertaining to the fact that something made another front office seek him out as a QB even though he was signed here to be a WR.

My whole issue has a lot more to do with the overall ability of the Pats personnel group to effectively evaluate offensive position players. Malik just happens to be the tipping point for the argument.
DeCosta could just be doing a favor for Lamar, or picking him up for the scout team. I think you're putting a lot more value into how team's view their 53rd roster spot than they do. There are constantly players cycling in and out of the back end of rosters. Not everything is a long-term upside play. That's my point of comparing him to Rourke - we're probably going to forget Rourke just as we're going to forget Cunningham, because 99% of the time these guys get a cup of coffee and then their career is done.
 

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What did DeCosta see in him that Bill and all the other teams didn’t?

He went to the same college as Jackson, played the same position as Jackson in a similar offense, and if you squint hard enough could be considered Lamar Lite. Maybe it’s worth a shot at the end of a season to see how he performs in a pro offense expressly tailored to Jackson’s skills. Almost 0 risk.

As opposed to how he fit in the Patriots (and 30 other teams’) offense.

I don’t think we needed to tab DeCosta as Wile E. Coyote Super Genius here…
All of these things were true in April too though
 

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All of these things were true in April too though
You were fast! Yes, of course you are correct. Just think Ravens are ”set” in many places heading into the playoffs, as opposed to not necessarily knowing how things would play out roster-wise back in April. Why not take a flier now with all the crappy QB play out there?
 

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Threads like these make me wonder what Boston/NE athlete has had more bandwidth spilled on SoSH with little to no actual in-game production (preseason and minors don’t count).
Oh it has to be some of the Celtics wing picks

Edit: Nesmith has a 27 page thread in the Port Cellar. He played < 100 games for the Celts. ~1200 minutes total.

Double edit: And Langford had a 33 page thread!! Also < 100 games!
 

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Threads like these make me wonder what Boston/NE athlete has had more bandwidth spilled on SoSH with little to no actual in-game production (preseason and minors don’t count).
Michael Bishop for those old enough to remember. How long was EV's Roberto Petagine thread?