The 2nd Season - 2019 Playoff Thread

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I don't know what the updated numbers are, but at one point during this run, the Warriors were 46-10 in playoff games not officiated by Scott Foster, and 7-6 in Foster games.
If he's smart, Scott Foster will cash in on his name recognition, take a job at ESPN/TNT/ABC/NBAtv or an NBA team, get off the floor calling games, and reduce the heavy travel schedule.
 

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Refs make a huge difference in the outcome of NBA playoff games. And it's too bad. One would think that a $50 billion enterprise, with $7+ billion in annual revenue, could figure out how to ref games better.
In their defense, it's really fucking hard to consistently and fairly ref the NBA. I have my complaints about soccer officiating because you've got one guy who's really making the calls, he only has one viewing angle and 22 players to watch, and players engage in shenanigans all the time. But with the NBA, even with 3 refs and only 10 players, there's just too much intricate body movement around shots near the rim.

Missing other, basic calls - like the uncalled double-dribble that may have decided the NCAA semifinal - are far more egregious failures in my eyes. Being consistent about jumpshot calls is a pretty achievable goal, I think, if challenging. Drives to the rim? Damn near impossible. You'll be fully objective about ice dancing sooner than you'll get this perfect.
 

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Its not just that Foster has a bad reputation as a referee. He also has the stink of one of the worst professional sports officiating scandals of all time on him. He shouldn't just be prevented from reffing this game - he shouldn't officiate any NBA, college, high school, CYO or even grade school games.

He has to have pictures of Adam Silver in some sort of compromising position or something.
 

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2612606-nbas-best-worst-referees-named-by-players-in-la-times-survey
Its not just that Foster has a bad reputation as a referee. He also has the stink of one of the worst professional sports officiating scandals of all time on him. He shouldn't just be prevented from reffing this game - he shouldn't officiate any NBA, college, high school, CYO or even grade school games.

He has to have pictures of Adam Silver in some sort of compromising position or something.
Or this is part of a deal to keep him from talking about how wide the Donaghy thing went.
 

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In their defense, it's really fucking hard to consistently and fairly ref the NBA. I have my complaints about soccer officiating because you've got one guy who's really making the calls, he only has one viewing angle and 22 players to watch, and players engage in shenanigans all the time. But with the NBA, even with 3 refs and only 10 players, there's just too much intricate body movement around shots near the rim.

Missing other, basic calls - like the uncalled double-dribble that may have decided the NCAA semifinal - are far more egregious failures in my eyes. Being consistent about jumpshot calls is a pretty achievable goal, I think, if challenging. Drives to the rim? Damn near impossible. You'll be fully objective about ice dancing sooner than you'll get this perfect.
I have no problem officiating an NBA game from my seat in the arena.
 

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That looked like the best version of Denver last night and Portland was still in the game to the very end. Jokic will continue to feast on Portland's bad defensive bigs, but I wouldn't expect the same level of production from Murray and Milsap night after night. Portland needs to make adjustments, but they got the offensive looks they wanted. This looks like a six or seven game series from what I saw last night.
I saw it differently. When the Blazers have to go to Harkless as their 4th quarter Joker stopped you have personnel issues. These aren’t fixed. On the other end I felt as though they were going through G1 motions with adjustments coming as they do have the personnel to defend better.
 

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Scott Foster is trending on twitter. That is NOT a good look for the NBA.
 

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When do the Jokic nonbelievers start being believers? Making it to the WCF? The finals? Winning a title?

I think he's already proven he isn't an 82 game player but I didn't really need much convincing.

8 games, 37.9 minutes per, .503/.371/.909, 24.9 points, 11.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.9 blocks.

His offense more than makes up for his poor D.
 

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When do the Jokic nonbelievers start being believers? Making it to the WCF? The finals? Winning a title?

I think he's already proven he isn't an 82 game player but I didn't really need much convincing.

8 games, 37.9 minutes per, .503/.371/.909, 24.9 points, 11.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.9 blocks.

His offense more than makes up for his poor D.
He's been exceptional all playoffs, and came through in the game seven when every other player on the court was choking.
 

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They're referencing that the Foster news was posted and talked about in the thread before you posted.
Scott Foster is trending on twitter. That is NOT a good look for the NBA.
Everybody knows he's going to make Harden pay and Brothers crew is going to get Horford out early. It's predictable as hell and they never take steps to address it.
 

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Everybody knows he's going to make Harden pay and Brothers crew is going to get Horford out early. It's predictable as hell and they never take steps to address it.
I get the referee thing but maybe Milwaukee will focus on neutralizing Horford tonight. Game 1 to Game 2, losing team usually responds. Ebb and flow of a series that should go at least 6 games.
 

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When do the Jokic nonbelievers start being believers? Making it to the WCF? The finals? Winning a title?

I think he's already proven he isn't an 82 game player but I didn't really need much convincing.

8 games, 37.9 minutes per, .503/.371/.909, 24.9 points, 11.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.9 blocks.

His offense more than makes up for his poor D.
I was a non-believer, and I’m sold now that his offense is for real in the playoffs, especially when he’s being aggressive.

Still not sold that his D can make up for it against a good team, which Portland is not particularly without Nurkic. We’ll know a lot more about Jokic after the conference finals.
 

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I was a non-believer, and I’m sold now that his offense is for real in the playoffs, especially when he’s being aggressive.

Still not sold that his D can make up for it against a good team, which Portland is not particularly without Nurkic. We’ll know a lot more about Jokic after the conference finals.
Do you mean good teams or title contending teams?
 

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It’s actually some brilliant marketing if you’ve got the entire country talking about the game tonight.
This.

Silver's NBA loves the petty drama and how it plays out in social media. My guess is that this is a case of no publicity being bad publicity.

If the Warriors dominance, certain styles of play (e.g. Harden) or the officiating prevents some people from watching, there is really not much they can or will do to win those viewers back. However, if you are like many of us who will still give the NBA our eyeballs, controversy that stokes more engagement is more of a feature than a bug.
 

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I've refrained from re-posting or responding to most of the noise surrounding Flopgate, but Morey straight up calling Kerr a hypocrite kinda stands out, imho.

 

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I've refrained from re-posting or responding to most of the noise surrounding Flopgate, but Morey straight up calling Kerr a hypocrite kinda stands out, imho.

I don’t know if I’d go so far as calling Kerr a hypocrite. What is he supposed to do......apologize for getting the benefit of the calls? Forfeit the win? Ask for makeup calls against him tonight?

There is only one thing for Kerr to do following G1......stfu and prepare for G2.
 

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10:30pm EST start for Rockets Warriors tonight is pretty swell. Tuesday night and you have to stay up until 1am to watch the game.
 

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Not if you're in San Francisco or Houston.

When I lived on the West Coast, 5pm start times drove me nuts because I would miss the first half every time.
The west coast missing the first half so the rest of the country can watch the end would be a decent tradeoff. Alas, this is a common complaint but seeing that 10:30pm start time really shocked me.

It's almost unwatchable if you're on the east coast, unless you want to lose your Wednesday. Or do a lot of coke.
 

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As a west coaster, i hate when the times change during playoff games. It seems unfair. I understand it's for ratings to maximize viewership but these guys have been playing 9 months at home at a certain time and the playoffs kick in and now that schedule gets thrown out of whack.

I know I'm in the minority but it feels like losing part of your home court/field advantage. Your whole fan base too is used to your games at a certain time. Fs that up
 

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It seems weird to complain that the schedule is set up for the home team’s fans, and not for neutral 3rd parties on the other side of the continent.
 

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The west coast missing the first half so the rest of the country can watch the end would be a decent tradeoff. Alas, this is a common complaint but seeing that 10:30pm start time really shocked me.

It's almost unwatchable if you're on the east coast, unless you want to lose your Wednesday. Or do a lot of coke.
Stop being a wimp and stay up.
 

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You don't have to miss the whole game. You're choosing to go to bed. People on the West Coast who actually support these teams are at work and can't watch at 5pm.
So start em at 9pm ET. Doesn’t ruin my work day and gives you an hour to get home to watch. Win-win.
 

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So start em at 9pm ET. Doesn’t ruin my work day and gives you an hour to get home to watch. Win-win.
Would you then start the East Coast game at 3:30 Pacific, making it so the West Coast cannot watch any portion of the Eastwrn Conference playoffs so you don’t have to stay up late to see the end of games? There’s no perfect solution, but the most logical one is to have the games start at a natural time for where they are played.
 

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Ernie calling Scott Foster one of the best officials in the league is one of the most embarrassing moments in tv history.
 

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Ernie calling Scott Foster one of the best officials in the league is one of the most embarrassing moments in tv history.
I think he was saying it is based on league scoring. Foster must be objectively one of the best, I would not have thought that
 

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Ernie calling Scott Foster one of the best officials in the league is one of the most embarrassing moments in tv history.
Isn’t he typically graded out among the best by the league’s metrics? I always assumed that since I know I’ve heard it somewhere and that the player complaints surround his attitude with them.
 

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The west coast missing the first half so the rest of the country can watch the end would be a decent tradeoff. Alas, this is a common complaint but seeing that 10:30pm start time really shocked me.

It's almost unwatchable if you're on the east coast, unless you want to lose your Wednesday. Or do a lot of coke.
As an East Coast fan of a West Coast hockey team, I can say this is way worse in hockey, where you have the risk of never-ending overtime. At least NBA playoff games more or less end on time.
 

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I think he was saying it is based on league scoring. Foster must be objectively one of the best, I would not have thought that
Isn’t he typically graded out among the best by the league’s metrics? I always assumed that since I know I’ve heard it somewhere and that the player complaints surround his attitude with them.
If the league doesn’t count his attitude/general game management in their metric then it’s a bad metric.
 

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Rockets are lucky not to be down 30 right now. What a choke performance in a must win game
 

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Can't imagine a team coming out this bad in this type spot. A must win and just turning the ball over like an overmatched 16th seed in the tourney
 

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It’s almost like the Rockets need wing defenders to guard Durant/Klay and to
switch onto Curry and they shouldn’t have shipped out Ariza and LRMM without having a real contingency plan to replace them.
 

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It’s almost like the Rockets need wing defenders to guard Durant/Klay and to
switch onto Curry and they shouldn’t have shipped out Ariza and LRMM without having a real contingency plan to replace them.
I don't know how this game will turn out nor am I willing to call this a done series yet.

That said, I agree that the Rockets miss the presence of last year's Ariza (this year's version is washed so they actually were smart to let him go) and Mbah a Moute (who also seems closer to being done than not). I don't know what the Rockets could have done but it feels like they needed to replace those wing defenders above all else in order to compete with Golden State again.
 

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Yeah. We cut it down to 3. We’re still competitive. Too many damn turnovers tonight. Can’t afford this against the Warriors.