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The 2018 Masters Tournament

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by ConigliarosPotential, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. PayrodsFirstClutchHit

    PayrodsFirstClutchHit Member SoSH Member

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    I think Faldo is bland and provides no real insights outside of the Masters. He stammers and mumbles through most of the broadcast.

    Give me someone willing to give an opinion, tell an interesting story or provide criticism of the players/course like Miller.
     
  2. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

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    Depends on what kind of insights you're looking for. For casual viewers, I can understand this mentality, but I watch almost every PGA tournament and play a ton of golf and find Faldo to be a great resource when analyzing my own game. You can pick up some great stuff from him that you can bring to the course.

    Same with Miller. He's past his prime, but if you pay attention, you can get some great advice.

    I'm not saying you'll be bowled over during the entire broadcast, but watching from start to finish you'll pick up a lot.
     
  3. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

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    Having said that, I'd love to see Bones move into the booth at some point. I find ex-caddies to be a great resource for playing advice.

    They also have the best stories.
     
  4. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    I tuned out after ‘I love Johnny Miller.’ Then disregarded everything previous to that. He’s top five most hated for me, player or personality. In no particular order:

    Jack
    Chamblee
    Miller
    Bubba
    Reed


    For shame, sir.
     
  5. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Yeah I think Faldo is fantastic.

    The NLU podcast with Bones mentioned in one of these threads was phenomenal. His memory is incredible and he had a lot of great little anecdotes.
     
  6. Phragle

    Phragle wild card bitches SoSH Member

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    Maybe you should clean the mustard off your shitty opinions
     
  7. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

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    Faldo was a pretty conservative player and his insights are also pretty conservative and his delivery can be a bit dry "just take an iron, lay up on the right side and hit the left side of the green". These insights are great, though. He's a course manager and I know that most amateurs could benefit from a more conservative approach. He definitely makes me think about how to play certain holes better.

    His generation played the game differently than the ultra aggressive pros today. We love to see the fancy shots, but the fact is most of us can't do that and play effectively. He provides a nice counter-argument and sometimes you'll hear him even taken off-guard when a guy like DJ does something ridiculous. His generation didn't need to play on greens with the speeds that today's players do, so he's advocate the bump-and-run over the super high spinny wedge. That's more valuable to your rec golfer because we're also not playing super fast greens.
     
  8. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

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    Let's not forget him yelling gay slurs on TV at the WGC China tournament a few years ago.
     
  9. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    According to articles I've read today, the "abusive relationship' was them telling Reed that he was getting married too young. After that, his parents and younger sister were barred from the wedding, and every tournament since
     
  10. riboflav

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    I was privileged to be there and it was a very tepid response to Reed all day. Closest I got to him was his walk to the fairway on 7 and he and Rory were basically 15 feet apart almost side by side and everyone was yelling RORY and cheering him on. I literally heard no one call out to Reed.
     
  11. riboflav

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    Also, the almost exact same thing occurred during his walk up to the 16th green where Rory was ahead of him and received a good reception and as Reed got closer the crowd grew much quieter. Jordan and Rickie and Tiger had the loudest receptions that I witnessed.
     
  12. riboflav

    riboflav Member SoSH Member

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    No.
     
  13. cshea

    cshea Member SoSH Member

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    Reed’s Augusta State coach is on record saying that he believes Reed’s father was too hard on Reed. Reed would call his dad after matches and it would usually delve into shouting matches and arguments. That is really the only source of possible friction between Reed and his family that anyone has uncovered.
     
  14. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    as i said, i've read stories such as this that cited their opposition to the marriage

    http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...les-away-patrick-reed-family-wept-watched-win

    there's clearly more going on than anyone knows ... a tough father wouldn't in and of itself lead to cutting off his mother and sister
     
  15. terrynever

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    Instead of going to the Knicks-Cavs game on Monday night, Reed could have fixed this family fissure with a pop-in visit.
    I got a feeling the wife will come under more scrutiny in near future. The PGA Tour wives are usually a cliquish group. Reality show coming?
     
  16. The Needler

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    You really have no idea what the truth is of the dynamics of this family, none of the members of which you know personally. And for the life of me, I can't imagine why it should matter to you. There are many thousands of people estranged from their families for a variety of reasons. There is no law obligating someone to keep in contact with his family, or to get back into contact with them when they have success.

    I have a first cousin whose mother (my aunt) disowned him after he chose to get married to a woman she didn't approve of. They have now been married for over 20 years, have a beautiful, smart, kind daughter in college and live a happy life. If you ask my aunt and my cousin why they haven't reconciled after all these decades, you'd get different answers, but the truth is, while his engagement may have been the immediately precipitating incident, it was just the final straw in decades of an unhealthy relationship. I would be surprised if the same wasn't the case for Patrick Reed, and he has every right to make the choice he has, and to decline to talk about it.

    And certainly he has earned the right to enjoy a basketball game.
     
  17. terrynever

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    In real life, you are absolutely right. It is none of my business. But Patrick Reed is a public figure. He makes millions a year, not just as a golfer, but as a commercial commodity. His personal situation is news, especially when he wins a major golf tourney. Blame the media if you want. Blame me. But that is the way things work in our society. Celebrities, sports stars, they give up part of their lives in order to rise to the top of their profession.
     
  18. cshea

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    I think you are right that the media asking Reed about his family is fair game and I also think it is also fine for Reed to stiff arm and not say anything.

    It seemed you were insinuating that Reed should go reconcile with his family instead of going to a basketball game. That’s a little much.
     
  19. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The majority of Augusta tickets are still held by families in the area that were fortunate enough to be on the mailing list before they closed it in the 70's. Lots of people outside that little click attend, but a ton of Augusta "patrons" are old area blue bloods. I went to a practice round years ago with a friend who grew up in Aiken, SC (which is right across the border) and it was like a family reunion for him. We couldn't walk 20 yards without bumping into people he knew. Since Reed is local, it doesn't surprise me he gets a chilly reception from the crowd if some of these stories are true. Most likely a ton of those walking the course on Sunday feel like they know enough about the guy (right or wrong) to have an opinion.

    It's hard to judge the internal dynamics of other families. Tons of things are supremely relevant for families based on custom, religion, heritage, etc., that would never be relevant with my parents. So to say what is going on there for us who didn't grow up in that house is a stretch. Who knows really, wouldn't surprise me if both of them could tell a compelling story where I might sympathize with either. You just never know.
     
  20. terrynever

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    Insinuate is too strong. I was suggesting a possible solution. If Reed has publicity personnel on his team, they would suggest he defuse the situation somehow because this can only get worse as his career expands. But it is his call, and his wife's call. If endorsements do not pick up after this career-changing Masters triumph, maybe that will impact his decision.
     
  21. tims4wins

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    I mean, this isn't too much different from Aaron Rodgers, and it doesn't seem to have impacted him much. Different sport though
     
  22. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    Reed is not a local. He was born in Texas and grew up outside of Baton Rouge. IIRC, his parents moved to Augusta when he was in college.
     
  23. terrynever

    terrynever Member SoSH Member

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    Agreed. I will root for Patrick Reed regardless of his life choices. His decision to go for the 15th green on Saturday on a wet course with three wood from 257 yards out is my takeaway memory of the 2018 Masters.
     
  24. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Did anyone else know Patrick Reed won the Masters with a completely mix-and-match set of clubs? See http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/4378600, for example:
    I don't know if this was given any airtime on CBS, but I think this is pretty cool.
     

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