This is true in all facets of life, not just football.
This is true in all facets of life, not just football.
Minor nitpick but Jones went to Bolles. Tebow briefly attended Trinity Christian (10 minutes from his house) then Nease waaaaaaay to the south, presumably because of the offense they ran there at the time. IIRC, he was homeschooled, so his attendance was only for FB.He's also local hero in Jacksonville having "gone" to the same high school as Mack Jones. His participation in a camp and subsequent cut will be a huge local story and will drum up excitement for a season where the team is likely to still be pretty bad.
The article you cite seems to say that former 3-year players get reduced benefits. Looks like Tebow world be eligible for $20+K a year if he gets his 4th year, which over 50 years is not chump change. Language below.FWIW, Johnson is wrong. They changed this in the last CBA. Now, it only takes 3 years of service time to be fully vested. Since Tebow is already at three years, he gains nothing by coming back for more.
I would imagine a lot of people in a lot of industries have experienced nepotism.View: https://twitter.com/RiDQulous_98/status/1391905864072798209
I would imagine that a lot of players feel this way
Not to be a contrarian, but I actually think you have it backwards, in the sense that nepotism is essentially non-existent in the NFL. At least in terms of how players are treated.I would imagine a lot of people in a lot of industries have experienced nepotism.
I dont think it's a stretch to say that plenty of college athletes benefit from nepotism, too. It's not unique to the NFL.
It's ironic that DaQuan recognizes how important relationships are in his business, but doesn't think twice about throwing shade at a fellow ballplayer looking for a second chance at a career.View: https://twitter.com/RiDQulous_98/status/1391905864072798209
I would imagine that a lot of players feel this way
Eli to the giants was due to nepotism, no? Archie threw some weight around and managed to get him traded from the Chargers. If Archie hadn’t been involved, he would have stayed with the chargers.The place in the NFL where nepotism is rampant and relationships are super important is in the coaching ranks. Look no further than Steve and Brian Belichick being employed by their father, to say nothing of the Shula's, Schottenheimer's, Shanahan's, Gruden's, etc. But with limited rosters and a salary cap I'm not sure you see it so much among players as noted above.
Eli was the #1 overall pick, he wasn't taking someone else's roster spot due to Archie or anyone else's relationship with the Giants.Eli to the giants was due to nepotism, no? Archie threw some weight around and managed to get him traded from the Chargers. If Archie hadn’t been involved, he would have stayed with the chargers.
He was drafted by the Chargers, but Archie told them he wouldn't play there, and orchestrated/forced a trade which I don't think the Chargers would have done if Archie hadn't been so influential.Eli was the #1 overall pick, he wasn't taking someone else's roster spot due to Archie or anyone else's relationship with the Giants.
Yes but it's not the same discussion as we are having related to Tebow leveraging his relationship with Urban Meyer into an invitation to training camp. The Tweet above and subsequent nepotism discussion was in the context of Tebow leveraging a personal relationship into a camp invite that he (arguably) doesn't deserve. Manning did not leverage a personal relationship in the same fashion.He was drafted by the Chargers, but Archie told them he wouldn't play there, and orchestrated/forced a trade which I don't think the Chargers would have done if Archie hadn't been so influential.
Are you implying that Dan Gronkowski and Jason McCourty had an equal chance to go to the other 31 teams (roster needs aside)? Not to be a contrarianNot to be a contrarian, but I actually think you have it backwards, in the sense that nepotism is essentially non-existent in the NFL. At least in terms of how players are treated.
Archie Manning leveraged his relationship to the NFL to alter where Eli ended up. Man uses influence to son's benefit. I'm saying that's an example of nepotism. That's all I'm getting at.Yes but it's not the same discussion as we are having related to Tebow leveraging his relationship with Urban Meyer into an invitation to training camp. The Tweet above and subsequent nepotism discussion was in the context of Tebow leveraging a personal relationship into a camp invite that he (arguably) doesn't deserve. Manning did not leverage a personal relationship in the same fashion.
Remember the time Tebow could have been Sean Payton’s Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill but wanted to be a QB and not an “H-Back”?If Tebow is on the roster, he can be Jacksonville’s Taysom Hill. Wasn’t Hill listed as a TE forever until the Great Fantasy Football Fiasco of 2020?
Yep, and I bet Hill’s success has made Tebow regret that decision in hindsight.Remember the time Tebow could have been Sean Payton’s Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill but wanted to be a QB and not an “H-Back”?
True story: I traded a Michael Jordan rookie card for this one when I was 7 or 8. gO sOx!!1When one talks about nepotism in sports, the conversation starts and ends here:
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If Tebow is half as useful as a TE in 2021 as the owner's son was at "hitting", I would be shocked.
Archie didn't leverage his relationship with the NFL. He leveraged his family's threat to hold out and wreak havoc upon the team if they dared to draft him. They could have done the same thing if their last name was "Whipple". Archie probably had the experience to know how to navigate the situation and recognize that they had such power in the first place, but I wouldn't consider that nepotism.Archie Manning leveraged his relationship to the NFL to alter where Eli ended up. Man uses influence to son's benefit. I'm saying that's an example of nepotism. That's all I'm getting at.
Obviously it's not the same as the Tebow situation, and obviously this isn't a big deal.
Can you show me an example of any NFL player who washes out of the league at one position and is then signed to try out for another position 8 years later?Are you implying that Dan Gronkowski and Jason McCourty had an equal chance to go to the other 31 teams (roster needs aside)? Not to be a contrarian
Your example is outstanding, but John-Henry Williams has to get an honorable mention. Wiki: Dubbed "The Kid's Kid" by the media, John Henry had his father's build but little of his baseball talent: after just two games (where he failed to get a hit in six at-bats), he broke two ribs crashing into the stands in an attempt to catch a foul ball, ending his season.When one talks about nepotism in sports, the conversation starts and ends here:
He did, however, get ahead in his career.Your example is outstanding, but John-Henry Williams has to get an honorable mention. Wiki: Dubbed "The Kid's Kid" by the media, John Henry had his father's build but little of his baseball talent: after just two games (where he failed to get a hit in six at-bats), he broke two ribs crashing into the stands in an attempt to catch a foul ball, ending his season.
They are signing Hernandez too?i looked at jax te death chart and its BAD
Motherfucking 2nd round pick. There were 36ish* rounds in the MLB draft back then, and Haywood took his kid in Round Two.True story: I traded a Michael Jordan rookie card for this one when I was 7 or 8. gO sOx!!1
Does fiction count (and another sport)?Can you show me an example of any NFL player who washes out of the league at one position and is then signed to try out for another position 8 years later?
I wonder if Hard Knocks goes for the niners because of the Jimmy G/Trey Lance thing and the fact that the niners have no exceptions and would be forced to do it (even though Lynch and Shanahan have publicly said they'd hate it).Jaguars roster is at 90 players now. I'm predicting a boomlet in fame for whoever gets released when Tebow gets signed.
Won't make up for the $1,500 a week (and free meals and free coaching) that player won't earn for the next few weeks, but it'd be something.
Would Hard Knocks pick the Tebow Jags over the Cowboys? Would Shad Khan accept a Hard Knocks invite, even though the Jags aren't required to participate due to a first-year coach?
This is the real reason Bill spent all that money on the Free Agents this year. If the Pats don't make the playoffs, he can be forced into it next season.I wonder if Hard Knocks goes for the niners because of the Jimmy G/Trey Lance thing and the fact that the niners have no exceptions and would be forced to do it (even though Lynch and Shanahan have publicly said they'd hate it).
Nepotism refers to favoritism towards one’s own family members. It’s a good descriptor of the familial coaching hires @Ralphwiggum lists. It doesn’t really apply to either the Manning or Tebow situations.Archie Manning leveraged his relationship to the NFL to alter where Eli ended up. Man uses influence to son's benefit. I'm saying that's an example of nepotism. That's all I'm getting at.
Obviously it's not the same as the Tebow situation, and obviously this isn't a big deal.
Part of the problem with this - especially compared to Kaep’s situation - is that white dudes are going to have disproportionately more “personal connections” like this. It’s that structural inequality thing.It really isn't though. Tebow is getting a shot out of a personal relationship for sure, but it isn't like he is getting a chance that some all-world TE is missing out on. If the Jags could have the option of Tebow or Travis Kelce, they wouldn't take Tebow because he is friends with Meyer. Tebow is getting a chance that some other not-quite-NFL-caliber players don't get.
it shouild be arizona or denverI wonder if Hard Knocks goes for the niners because of the Jimmy G/Trey Lance thing and the fact that the niners have no exceptions and would be forced to do it (even though Lynch and Shanahan have publicly said they'd hate it).
Well....he wants to be a professional athlete apparently. Pursuing his dreams until it's a "No...final answer." Nothing wrong with that (if that's what he's doing). He still has tons of time for all those other things if he wants them.Without breaking a sweat this guy could have had a coaching career, a broadcast career, a political career, a motivational speaking career, a spokesman career, maybe an actual H-Back career until he picked one of the other careers.....instead wtf has he done? Baseball? Back to football at this age? It all looks ridiculous to me.
I think it’s going to be the Cowboys.it shouild be arizona or denver
arizona because or murruy watt star power
denver because they can be fored to it might make the nfl force them to find a owner quicker
I'm guessing you know this, but he was also a D1 NCAA championship wrestler and runner up his junior year to Stephen Neal. He was a freak athlete.If Brock fucking Lesnar can go from the WWE to Vikings camp without playing ball since HS I think Tim Tebow (one of the greatest collegiate players of all time) getting a look with his hometown squad and former college coach is not that big of a deal.
I do. I just find it very odd how worked up people are about Tebow. He is a low mile 33 year old. That’s not that old. If he had been getting his body wrecked for the past 10 that’s a different thing. If he could have switched to an H back 10 years ago, why can’t he do it now?I'm guessing you know this
It's totally different because Tebow has whole higher power thing, while Garth Brooks has his friends in low places.I remember the days when we would just call this a publicity stunt and leave it at that. @mauf provides a good example of this.