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Syracuse Basketball 2018-19: WTF

Discussion in 'College Sports' started by The Filthy One, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. The Filthy One

    The Filthy One Member SoSH Member

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    I have decided that the reason we're seeing once in a generation events like losing back-to-back home games to non-conference teams (including Old Dominion!) is that I didn't start a thread for the team this year.

    I haven't gotten to watch much of the team this year other than the end of the second half of the Ohio State game and the Georgetown game, but this team is a complete mystery to me. They should be so much better than last year's team, but it is not coming together. Is Frank Howard's injury really making that big of a difference-maker? Can they bounce back in ACC play?

    The thing that drives me nuts with Syracuse every year since the 2010-2013 run ended is why it seams like every team that SU plays shoots so much better than we do. Can Boeheim not recruit shooters? Does he not want to?
     
  2. bsj

    bsj Renegade Crazed Genius SoSH Member

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    I cant post this on a Syracuse forum so maybe I can here without getting yelled at.

    The 2-3 zone is the source of all of our success and of all our problems. It is the great equalizer. It allows us to compete with and beat elite teams in the tourney and make deep runs, and it also allows others to to the same. There is a clear formula to beat it that requires a little bit of luck and a lot of deep shooting to fall. That can be somewhat mitigated by energy and activity - something that motivated teams often do in the tournament but often falls flat in these early season games.

    I'm not anti zone at all. I do wish he would at least try a man D for a play here and there just to shake things up. But he just refuses.
     
  3. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

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    The problems with SU hoops, in no particular order:

    1. No post up players. None. Zero. In the past, they've always had SOMEBODY as a low-post presence. Onuaku. Etan Thomas. Ricky Jackson. Rakeem Christmas. SOMEONE. Now, they don't have anyone. Like, not a single guy posts up ever. The entire offense is outside-in.

    2. Boeheim's P&R offense sucks so bad. And it sucks primarily because the guy he always has set the screen is someone like Sidibe or Chukwu, neither of whom represents ANYTHING resembling an offensive threat. So defenses don't respect the P&R and they can easily defend it. When's the last time SU got a real easy look off the P&R? It almost never happens. It's running it for the sake of running it, and that's pointless.

    3. They never ever ever ever ever box out. I thought I'd put together a little picture presentation (and I have the pics so I could do it) but I don't know if I want to go through it like that. Just trust me - look at any highlight and you'll see that they all just watch the ball, turn to the hoop, and maybe step towards the basket. There is never ever ever any effort to box a guy out. I know it's zone, and it's harder to box out in zone, but they don't even TRY to find a guy and put a body on him. They give up SO many offensive rebounds each game. Last night Buffalo got 18 offensive rebounds. That's essentially 18 extra possessions. I don't care how good defense you play; if you give the other team 18 extra possessions, it's going to be almost impossible to win.

    To this point: Buffalo took 5 more field goals and 7 more free throws than SU did - with the same number of turnovers (so those negate each other). Given that each field goal could have been a three, that's potentially 22 more points that Buffalo could have scored vs. Syracuse (not counting and-ones on three point attempts). Of course they didn't convert all those, but they converted SOME, and won by 12. You can't give the other team the free opportunity to score 22 more points than you, unless they shoot horrifically and you shoot the lights out.

    4. They still suck at free throws. 5-13 last night. In big spots when two free throws would have kept them in it, they brick both at the line. I mean if they shot 11-13 from the line (not impossible) then they'd have been in the game still.

    5. They turn the ball over way too much. They don't do well against pressure defense and they make stupid decisions and poor passes and they force way too much.

    Now, they have great, long, athletes. All over the place. Athleticism isn't the problem. This is a coaching problem. I've long been a Boeheim supporter, but it's time. It's time to move on. His system isn't good. His offense is terrible. They do so many of the basic things so poorly. Give coach K this talent and they're top 10 in the country at minimum.
     
  4. The Filthy One

    The Filthy One Member SoSH Member

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    I read somewhere that Boeheim liked the 2-3 zone because very few kids in college can shoot well enough to beat it. That might have been true 10 years ago, but the rule changes in the NBA have trickled down to college, and now high school kids know that to be truly great players they need to be able to shoot. I worry that the zone is more vulnerable than it used to be because of this.
     
  5. LeftyTG

    LeftyTG Member SoSH Member

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    I keep saying it, even though people keep dismissing it.

    We are firmly in the 'late Bowden years at FSU' stage of Boeheim's career. The transition away from a legend is never smooth and never easy. I just fear we lost our Jimbo Fischer when Hopkins got tired of being jerked around and left for Washington.

    I don't think Boeheim has the willingness to learn and evolve and grow anymore. The game is changing and he isn't changing with it. Perhaps even more importantly, players are changing - particularly how to communicate and get through to players. Syracuse used to be one of the best at getting very good (but not elite) recruits and maximizing their talents. In the last 5 years or so players haven't improved at the same rate as they consistently did decades prior.

    It is painful watching Syracuse play. Not just because they lose to teams like Old Dominion and Buffalo, but that their brand of basketball is just horrible (they have to lead the nation in one dribble jumpshots just inside the three point line - drives me insane). And I say this as a deeply devoted fan! The program is stale, and my biggest fear is that there is nobody strong enough to push Boeheim out - especially since his son is just a freshman. If you are a recruit, why on earth would you go to Syracuse right now?
     
  6. Doooweeeey!

    Doooweeeey! Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

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    WTF, is right. The Orange just beat Duke* on their home court in OT...
    First loss for Duke as a #1 team at Cameron by any other team than the Tar Heels.

    So it's a big win. Many times in the game Duke seemed ready to pull away, and The Orange answered.
    They had the ball in Battle's hands with a chance to win in regulation.

    Howard looks like he's getting comfortable again. A career high 17 boards for Chukwu.
    Without these two they won't go very far, but they now have a couple signature wins.

    *I know, I know, Tre Jones got hurt, Cam Reddish was ill, and they had NO answer for Zion Williamson.
    Still, it's a good result and a good sign.
     
  7. The Filthy One

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    It's not just that they beat Duke (well, the players Duke put on the court...which, to be fair, did include the likely 1 and 2 picks in the NBA draft), it's that they did it while giving up 90.

    Both CBS and ESPN now have Syracuse as a 10 seed and not even among the last 4 teams in the tournament. That's despite home losses to Old Dominion and Georgia Tech (I assume they will get a little break for the loss to UCONN based on having Howard out).

    But I have no idea at all what to expect going forward. It wouldn't surprise me to see them lose at home to PITT on Saturday, for instance. They go entire games where I think they have no idea what they are doing on offense. Their defense is not as good prior years, they are all over the place on offense, but who knows, maybe they just turned a corner?
     
  8. Doooweeeey!

    Doooweeeey! Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

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    I hope so. I like that they never conceded a big lead and kept their poise. Cameron crowd can get you off your game so easily after a quick run.
     
  9. bsj

    bsj Renegade Crazed Genius SoSH Member

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    yeah that bobbing up and down is annoying as fuck
     

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