Steve Gregory released
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Thanks God. Gregory being on the roster last was an organizational failure, even given the bad luck with Adrian Wilson. I hope he's not back at any price, because I think his value on the roster itself is negative, and I'd like to think they can do better.
Fear not, for behold, I bring you tidings of great joy.
Thank God. Let some other message board bitch about him being caught flat-footed and out of position on every single snap.
mascho said:
Fear not, for behold, I bring you tidings of great joy.
Thank God. Let some other message board bitch about him being caught flat-footed and out of position on every single snap.
This is fantastic, but it would be even more incredible if someone could superimpose the goat pic.
Gotta make room for Vinnie Sunseri somehow right? I mean it's mortal lock that they are drafting this kid 3-4 rounds earlier then they need to.
Plays for Saban, special teams ace, little know safety with little respect from the scouting community. This is going to happen.
Plays for Saban, special teams ace, little know safety with little respect from the scouting community. This is going to happen.
mascho said:
Gregory "could" be back at a lower number
Hopefully they aren't counting on this year's draft to come up with a starting safety. If anything, this probably means they have confidence in the kids (Harmon in particular) AND would look into the safety market.
T.J. Ward would be perfect for this team, and Lombardi could provide a lot of intel on him.
mascho said:
Fear not, for behold, I bring you tidings of great joy.
Thank God. Let some other message board bitch about him being caught flat-footed and out of position on every single snap.
I can still see that awful angle he took in that playoff game.
I feel like Harmon's kind of like a younger version of Gregory - not enough of a big hitter to be a prototypical strong safety, and not the range to be a prototypical free safety, but decent enough to be a good backup at both positions. Maybe that's all they want out of that safety spot, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a move for a heavy hitter (Ward, or maybe Calvin Pryor or Deone Buchanan in the draft) since both Wilsons look like long shots to make next year's squad at this point.SeoulSoxFan said:
Gregory "could" be back at a lower number
Hopefully they aren't counting on this year's draft to come up with a starting safety. If anything, this probably means they have confidence in the kids (Harmon in particular) AND would look into the safety market.
T.J. Ward would be perfect for this team, and Lombardi could provide a lot of intel on him.
I feel like Gregory would have been good as a backup. But the contract he had and play he had made him a pretty shitty starter. He was by a mile the worst starter on defense (and no I'm not counting guys like Chris Jones or Joe Vellano or something.
BigSoxFan said:
Yeah, I was as frustrated with him as any of you at times but he'll always get a a free drink from me.
Classic.SeoulSoxFan said:
Given the way players in the locker room raved about his football intelligence and film study, I could see Gregory catch on as a DB coach somewhere down the line.
Probably too early to think about now (he's only 31), but if the injuries cut his playing career short he might have a second career in football ahead.
A year too late, sadly.
FWIW, earlier this week Zolak was banging the table for the Pats to get a big-hitting safety back there.
FWIW, earlier this week Zolak was banging the table for the Pats to get a big-hitting safety back there.
I'm going to miss that flash of a blue on the edge of the screen diving at the ghost while the real ball carrier racks up yards. Led the league in air tackles.
Not that we had better options. Makes this an urgent need, hope they fill it correctly.
Not that we had better options. Makes this an urgent need, hope they fill it correctly.
Great news. I think Harmon after one year is already an upgrade, but adding someone else through the draft would be great. Adding one of the bigger free agents back there would be better.
This happening on 2/28, was there a 3/1 bonus or would something have become guaranteed? Just seems like a random time to cut bait otherwise.
saintnick912 said:
He didn't have any roster bonuses, no. I think the Patriots just have a lengthy process they go through where they decide which players are part of their future, after evaluating that year's crop of free agents and draft prospects. Next week is the last before free agency so we should see a few more moves.
This could be a courtesy thing, too. He gets to hit free agency in the major FA period and have a whole offseason to earn a job with a new team rather than having to scramble for a job after being cut in camp.mpx42 said:
Could be a preemptive move to have a bit more room to maneuver so that an offer to Talib/Edelman/Bryant etc. doesn't remove the last remaining cap space during the last week of restrictive negotiating.
Since I watched his career at Syracuse play out, I was eternally stunned that he was a starting DB on the Patriots.
Best that he's gone.
Best that he's gone.
Dumb question: how does this improve things if Harmon was his back-up? I can only assume BB has his eye on a free agent.
Well Harmon was a rookie so I'm sure they are projecting some improvement. But I also think they will bring in a veteran to compete. May even be Gregory on a minimum deal.
if the master plan is to bring in someone else, wouldn't it make more sense to cut Gregory after that deal is done? Even if I'm comfortable with their evaluation of Harmon as playing a bigger role, it's hard to see how he'd be an improvement over Gregory. With injuries and such the Pats need 3 safeties, and seems odd to dispense with the competency of Gregory until a 3rd safety is in-house.
Tony C said:
BB has always respected veterans and have let them go early, so they can have a better chance of landing elsewhere. I'd guess that that's the case here.
SeoulSoxFan said:
That could be it, but they didn't even ask him to take less money and there are other likely veteran cuts that haven't happened yet. Sopoaga and Wilson come to mind.
I would have cut Soap and Wilson before Gregory if I cut Gregory at all.
I suspect it has something do with this: http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/phragle said:
Gregory was a FA after 2014, so they wouldn't have gained anything by waiting. With Wilson, they have the option to wait until after 6/1 and split his remaining signing bonus over 2014 and 2015. They could designate him a post-6/1 cut, but they only get two of those. It doesn't look like they gain anything by waiting to cut Sopoaga - he's under contract in 2015, but it looks like all his dead money is in guaranteed salary this year, so I'm not sure.
phragle said:
A healthy Wilson with Harmon as the backup means Gregory was redundant and what Nomario said.
Super Nomario said:
They would have gained security. They don't gain anything by cutting him now. It's not like they need the cap space.
I don't see any downside of keeping him around for the 90-man. Unless - like SSF said - they were trying to be nice, but if they were really trying to be nice wouldn't they give him a chance to take a pay cut?
Dogman2 said:
Teams carry four or five safeties.
phragle said:
Well, they gain the cap space which helps if they plan on offering deals to Talib/Edelman/Bryant. Even though the cap has been raised, the additional space is certainly helpful.
No shit on carrying 4-5 safeties. You do know that even with Gregory cut, they still have 5 safeties on the roster, right? You aren't thinking this through.
Dogman2 said:
They have plenty of cap space to resign Talib, Edelman, and Bryant in free agency while still keeping Gregory.
What am I not thinking through? This is very simple.
I think they were trying to be nice. Maybe they did talk to him about a pay cut, but couldn't come to an agreement and so they parted ways.phragle said:
Both the "being nice" (to what purpose?) and Adrian Wilson reasons seem strained, at best. This is the Adrian Wilson who was on the verge of being cut last pre-season before he injured his achilles, and now is a year older and coming off of that injury? If that's the thinking, then give me Steve Gregory warts and all, because it's more than slightly mad thinking. (Or maybe Dogman is referring to Tavon Wilson? That would be even crazier.)
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