Steve Ballmer rebrands Clippers

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Edit:  Wow, I assumed this was $1.2 billion...but I was wrong.
 
NBA owners all come out massively enriched as the value of their teams skyrocket.  You'd almost think there was a conspiracy to frame Sterling and force him out...but that could never happen.  Right?
 

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Ballmer has the cash and the time. Good for him. I think his net worth is around 20 billion, so while that's an incredible price, it's certainly not even remotely close to out of his price range.
 

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Ballmer has been a key cog trying to get a team in Seattle since failing to acquire the Supersonics...anybody know the particulars behind the Clippers lease and things that might signal a possible relocation?
 

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IIRC, Ballmer is a Seattle based guy who is devoted to bringing the NBA back to Seattle. My impression was that the NBA wouldn't want to move the Clippers, but could they possibly be on the move?
 

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Ballmer has been a key cog trying to get a team in Seattle since failing to acquire the Supersonics...anybody know the particulars behind the Clippers lease and things that might signal a possible relocation?
Ballmer has said many times over the past month that if he won the bidding he would not relocate them to SEA...
 
Few other things
 
You do not spend 2 billion on an LA team and then move them to a smaller market.
NBA needs to approve any team relocation. See the Kings the past year, where they were the prime team to relocate and the NBA shot down each attempt. NBA needs legit reasons why the team should be moved, and I cannot think of any in regards to the Clippers
 

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You do not spend 2 billion on an LA team and then move them to a smaller market.
NBA needs to approve any team relocation. See the Kings the past year, where they were the prime team to relocate and the NBA shot down each attempt. NBA needs legit reasons why the team should be moved, and I cannot think of any in regards to the Clippers
 
I agree that it seems unlikely that Ballmer will move the Clippers BUT:
 
Al Davis moved the Raiders from Los Angeles (where they were the only team in the market) to Oakland (where they are the second team in a smaller market), plus Clay Bennett moved the Sonics from Seattle (12th largest metro in the US by GDP) to Oklahoma City (46th largest).
 
The league will approve relocations when it suits their needs, such as appeasing David Stern's buddies or extorting local tax bases for arena money.
 

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I agree that it seems unlikely that Ballmer will move the Clippers BUT:
 
Al Davis moved the Raiders from Los Angeles (where they were the only team in the market) to Oakland (where they are the second team in a smaller market), plus Clay Bennett moved the Sonics from Seattle (12th largest metro in the US by GDP) to Oklahoma City (46th largest).
 
The league will approve relocations when it suits their needs, such as appeasing David Stern's buddies or extorting local tax bases for arena money.
Yes, but in regards to the Sonics, they moved out of SEA because the city would not pay for a new arena or updates to the current one I believe.
 

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Balmer is a great guy so more power to him.  Not sure what his total net worth is, but I know he has about 14 billion in MS stock.  Assuming he didn't get a bunch more to leave
 
Good for him,  hope he gets a long time to play with his new toy
 

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Balmer is a great guy so more power to him.  Not sure what his total net worth is, but I know he has about 14 billion in MS stock.  Assuming he didn't get a bunch more to leave
 
Good for him,  hope he gets a long time to play with his new toy
So Ballmer made around $110m today with MSFT stock up a modest 0.82%? Hard to even comprehend with my portfolio up like 5 hundo today. I shall now slit my wrist.
 

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Mugsys Jock said:
Edit:  Wow, I assumed this was $1.2 billion...but I was wrong.
 
NBA owners all come out massively enriched as the value of their teams skyrocket.  You'd almost think there was a conspiracy to frame Sterling and force him out...but that could never happen.  Right?
 
Who's the innocent dupe in your scenario?
 
I mean, the guy did say those things right?
 

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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne  17s
There is now a signed, binding agreement between Ballmer and the Sterling family trust to sell the Clippers for $2billion, ESPN has learned
 
 
Now I can't remember - is this a sale by Sterling's wife that the NBA isn't recognizing as it'll keep her as an owner? Or is this a full sale to remove both of them and she finally agreed to leave?
 

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I'm just relieved we're not going to see Oprah as an NBA owner with controlling interest of a franchise (yet).
 

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Now I can't remember - is this a sale by Sterling's wife that the NBA isn't recognizing as it'll keep her as an owner? Or is this a full sale to remove both of them and she finally agreed to leave?
She is selling the team completely.
She wanted to own the team in place of Sterling, and they refused her.
 

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Now I can't remember - is this a sale by Sterling's wife that the NBA isn't recognizing as it'll keep her as an owner? Or is this a full sale to remove both of them and she finally agreed to leave?
 
She's done, but It wouldn't matter if she was still a part-owner provided Ballmer is a) the controlling owner, and b) approved by the NBA BOG as the decision maker.
 
Sterling's wife was a part-owner all this time but the NBA didn't give a shit because she wasn't the designated executive voter on league-related affairs.
 

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It's tough to imagine there's any real thought to moving the team to Seattle here. If Ballmer wanted that, he'd have bought the Bucks.
 

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It's tough to imagine there's any real thought to moving the team to Seattle here. If Ballmer wanted that, he'd have bought the Bucks.
 
Once again, people from Seattle tried to buy the Bucks, but Herb Kohl insisted that the team wouldn't be moved as a term; hence he accepted a lower offer.
 
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The Sterlings should thank their lucky stars this fiasco created enough hype to enable them to possibly sell the team for a 160-fold profit (yes, yes, exaggeration due to inflation ignorance).  $2 billion is crazy for a team that's only #2 in its sport in its market. Nice cap gain though . . .
 

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The Sterlings should thank their lucky stars this fiasco created enough hype to enable them to possibly sell the team for a 160-fold profit (yes, yes, exaggeration due to inflation ignorance).  $2 billion is crazy for a team that's only #2 in its sport in its market. Nice cap gain though . . .
Here's where I'm confused. Sterling was not involved in any of these negotiations and would have to AGREE to sell the team which his attorney has repeated adamantly that he would not agree to do.

Wouldn't it seem that the BOG would still need to vote and complete the process of eliminating Sterling so he wouldn't have to sign off on the sale? Did I miss Sterling's attorney say that he would agree to sell the team?
 

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soxhop411 said:
 
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne  17s
There is now a signed, binding agreement between Ballmer and the Sterling family trust to sell the Clippers for $2billion, ESPN has learned
 
 
 
HomeRunBaker said:
Here's where I'm confused. Sterling was not involved in any of these negotiations and would have to AGREE to sell the team which his attorney has repeated adamantly that he would not agree to do.

Wouldn't it seem that the BOG would still need to vote and complete the process of eliminating Sterling so he wouldn't have to sign off on the sale? Did I miss Sterling's attorney say that he would agree to sell the team?
No. Silver said he would prefer something like this to happen then to vote him out
 

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No. Silver said he would prefer something like this to happen then to vote him out
Right......but we are still talking about the legal process dragging this out for months with no guarantees (although it appears extremely likely the league will win).
 

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Right......but we are still talking about the legal process dragging this out for months with no guarantees (although it appears extremely likely the league will win).
Read the tweet above, he has signed a doc that has sold the team to Ballmer, no lawsuit 
 

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Read the tweet above, he has signed a doc that has sold the team to Ballmer, no lawsuit 
Donald didn't sign this. It states that the agreement is with the family trust which Shelly oversees because Donald could not be involved in the negotiations for a sale. Ultimately Donald would need to agree to sell his 50% from what I understand.......and his attorney has said he wouldn't.
 

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Remember a couple years ago when all the owners said they were losing money and started the lock-out? $2 billion for the LAC, and we are going to have an interesting CBA conversation when the current one expires.
 

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Remember a couple years ago when all the owners said they were losing money and started the lock-out? $2 billion for the LAC, and we are going to have an interesting CBA conversation when the current one expires.
 
Yep, and remember how Stern manipulated the sales price of the Nets to use as an example of the declining value of franchises? Prokhorov bought that team for $223 million dollars because they were "in debt." He then built an arena on land owned by the former owner, who promptly made back the difference.
 

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Remember a couple years ago when all the owners said they were losing money and started the lock-out? $2 billion for the LAC, and we are going to have an interesting CBA conversation when the current one expires.
The owners destroyed the players in the last round of negotiations leading to a huge jump in revenue and operating profits for these teams. Wait under the current ESPN/TNT $930m annual contract expires in two years......that new baby will exceed $2B annually plus what Asia/Europe are doing and these owners will see an even greater increase in their franchise values.
 

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Remember a couple years ago when all the owners said they were losing money and started the lock-out? $2 billion for the LAC, and we are going to have an interesting CBA conversation when the current one expires.
 
Roger Mason (VP of NBA Players Association) was on ESPN Radio this morning and the very first thing he mentioned was the the $2 billion valuation for the Clippers was very interesting.
 

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Well this answers my question LOL! Sterling declared mentally incapacitated by doctors per the terms of the family trust. That Shelly is a sneaky little fox, isn't she?

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/29/report-donald-sterling-declared-mentally-incompetent-clears-way-for-sale-of-team-to-ballmer/
 
Ah America, a country where an 80-year old can espouse unpopular opinions in the privacy of his own home (that would have not been considered outside of societal norms when he was in his thirties), be declared more hated by society than mass murderers and terrorists because of these private comments, subsequently be declared mentally incapacitated by a doctor working with his estranged wife (without a court hearing), and as a consequence be stripped of a $2 billion asset. And everyone stands and applauds.
 

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Ah America, a country where an 80-year old can espouse unpopular opinions in the privacy of his own home (that would have not been considered outside of societal norms when he was in his thirties), be declared more hated by society than mass murderers and terrorists because of these private comments, subsequently be declared mentally incapacitated by a doctor working with his estranged wife (without a court hearing), and as a consequence be stripped of a $2 billion asset. And everyone stands and applauds.
 
"Stripped" might not be the word. He's making 1.87 billion dollars in the process.
 

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I know, the poor guy is having one billion forced down his throat (I assume his estranged wife gets the other half) like a goose being force fed to make pate. My heart bleeds for him.

In this country we have freedom of contract. He agreed to the governance scheme of the NBA which has made the owners rich and will soon make him even richer than he was. He agreed to the terms of the family trust. Why should a court get involved? Are judges experts on the issue of mental competency? Does every dispute have to get adjudicated at the taxpayers' expense?

As for his "unpopular opinions" there are places where people are shot, or stoned, or jailed for unpopular opinions instead of being forced to take a $985,000,000 profit on their initial $15M investment.
 

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I assume you are both also in favor of eminent domain.
 
Does Donald Sterling even get that $ or does Shelly now that she has been declared the Trustee?