SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)

[DJnVa]

I'm not sure the situations are truly comparable.
 

 
Me either, and we're getting lost in the woods.
 
The fact is Deflategate is NOT important. And it's dominated the last 8 months.

 

[jmm57]

Hernandez definitely killed one person, very possibly killed 4 or 5, and was taken alive and sentenced to life in prison after a long media cycle.
 
Belcher killed himself and another. Once he shot himself that pretty much ended the media story, and that shouldn't surprise anyone. He was dead, there was no trial to cover or anything like that.
 
I'm not sure the situations are truly comparable.

Hernandez was also a much higher profile player...a skill player who would have been known by anyone who plays fantasy football. I am a pretty big NFL fan and had never heard of Belcher until his murder/suicide, despite overlapping with him for 2 years at UMaine.

 

[Harry Hooper]

I would enjoy this if we didn't keep losing draft picks. Also, who is to say that constantly having these distractions right before the SB hasn't hurt? Sure, they beat the Hawks last year. But maybe Belichick having to waste time getting interviewed by the NFL the day before the 2007 SB actually hurt game preparations in some manner?
 
And if it was just fans few would care. But the league office, and apparently some among the owners, actually do seem to be out to get the Pats. What's next?

 
 
Right, it's a blast being Randle McMurphy right up until they slip you the lobotomy.

 

[natpastime162]

What would the "proof" of cheating do for you? Would it change how angry you were about how poorly the clock was managed and how much of a pussy McNabb was? I mean this seriously, because it confuses me when people say this in retrospect. Would it truly make you feel better about losing the Superbowl?

Also, I'm a Pats fan. I'm also open to evidence of cheating in SB39 exceeding gamesmanship. By the Eagles, of course.

 
I didn't want to go into endless caveats in the post, so apologies if it was not clear.  I mean it would be newsworthy and yes, cheating by the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Giants would be newsworthy as well.  It would do nothing for me personally.  Personally, not a single allegation of this kind bothers me in retrospect.  Goodell's response to owners and responses in general to these allegations of SpyGate being way bigger than previously reported should be "and the punishment at the time was the largest team penalty in league history."

 

[Super Nomario]

All good. Moving on.
 
I know better than to try to take the other side of this conversation here so I'm not going to try.  I'll just say that I believe a tremendous competitive advantage in having down & distance, signal and blitz & coverage schemes available for 12 minutes in the middle of a game.  And it's not 90 minutes worth of tape to review, it would be more like 5 as you're not recording downtime.  And you could easily view a handful of plays in an effort to single out the call for any particular blitz or coverage in short order.

If you're recording signals, you would have to record all 90 minutes, as obviously the signals aren't happening during the five minutes of game time. And you'd still need to find a way to sync it up to the game film. It doesn't seem credible to me that 12 minutes would be enough time to do anything with that.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

 
It's been a while, but IIRC during the investigation of Spygate it was found that the cameras and films the Pats had were not able to do rapid processing like that. I remember thinking it odd, but that stands out in my mind, that it wasn't possible to film in the first half and then produce the film and decipher it all during halftime.

[SIZE=10.5pt]All the cameraman would likely record is the down & distance from the scoreboard and the signals from the coaching staff.  You’d then just compare that to the still-frame pics that every team has access to on the sideline.  I don’t know if all teams do it the same but one team snaps an overhead pic pre-snap and two seconds post-snap, which is all you need to see what players are doing on any given play.  So if you wanted to know the signal for a particular blitz or coverage, you’d just rewind the tape to the shot that showed 12:17 of the 1st quarter on the 3rd & 13 play.  Or whatever.  So there's no need to parse 90 minutes worth of game tape or to do rapid processing.  All you need is a cameraman recording only the relevant info and a camcorder that has a viewfinder that you can rewind tape on.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I think Belichick is an honorable man and the greatest NFL coach certainly of my lifetime if not ever. And if he had his people deciphering opposing teams signals by using tapes as I laid out above I wouldn't be terribly surprised and wouldn't have all that much problem with it to be honest.  I'd chalk that up to part of the game.  And as someone mentioned - he/they broke the rule and got fined.  Heavily, I'd add.  So I don't really have a big problem with any of this and agree that the attention is way overweight and likely induced by jealousy by NY fans in the NFL office that hate the Pats because Boston and hate Belichick because Jets. The whole thing is way overblown and it was part of the game anyway.  It's stupid.  But technically it was possible and theoretically it was valuable info to have.  It actually makes me think back to when I was growing up on football in the early 80's in the DC area and would hear about how Joe Gibbs was the master at "halftime adjustments".  I wonder how many "halftime adjustments" were smarter teams having deciphered not only gameplans but playcalls from the sidelines?  It's interesting to consider...[/SIZE]

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

[SIZE=10.5pt]All the cameraman would likely record is the down & distance from the scoreboard and the signals from the coaching staff.  You’d then just compare that to the still-frame pics that every team has access to on the sideline.  I don’t know if all teams do it the same but one team snaps an overhead pic pre-snap and two seconds post-snap, which is all you need to see what players are doing on any given play.  So if you wanted to know the signal for a particular blitz or coverage, you’d just rewind the tape to the shot that showed 12:17 of the 1st quarter on the 3rd & 13 play.  Or whatever.  So there's no need to parse 90 minutes worth of game tape or to do rapid processing.  All you need is a cameraman recording only the relevant info and a camcorder that has a viewfinder that you can rewind tape on.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I think Belichick is an honorable man and the greatest NFL coach certainly of my lifetime if not ever. And if he had his people deciphering opposing teams signals by using tapes as I laid out above I wouldn't be terribly surprised and wouldn't have all that much problem with it to be honest.  I'd chalk that up to part of the game.  And as someone mentioned - he/they broke the rule and got fined.  Heavily, I'd add.  So I don't really have a big problem with any of this and agree that the attention is way overweight and likely induced by jealousy by NY fans in the NFL office that hate the Pats because Boston and hate Belichick because Jets. The whole thing is way overblown and it was part of the game anyway.  It's stupid.  But technically it was possible and theoretically it was valuable info to have.  It actually makes me think back to when I was growing up on football in the early 80's in the DC area and would hear about how Joe Gibbs was the master at "halftime adjustments".  I wonder how many "halftime adjustments" were smarter teams having deciphered not only gameplans but playcalls from the sidelines?  It's interesting to consider...[/SIZE]

 
 
I agree with all of this, but what I was saying was that IIRC the actual physical tapes from the cameras had to be developed after the game, they weren't ready for viewing until that. All that about scanning them for advantages may well be true, but I don't think it was physically possible to do so at halftime because of the type of tapes they were using.
 
Again, I could be wrong, but during the initial investigation that was reported at some point.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Okay, well that would be a game changer for me then.  And were that the case I'd have been super loud & proud about that if I were in the Pats shoes.  But this whole thing has been a witch hunt from the start so perhaps I'd have agreed it best to just take the medicine and move on.

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Goodell is so full of shit that nothing he says is remotely credible. He presumably wanted to hammer the Pats without calling into question the fundamental integrity of a population of NFL games. Whether the Pats really did use the tapes in-game or not had probably had no bearing whatsoever on Goodell's claim.

 

 
True, but Walsh also met with Senator Specter for 3 hours. 

 

[cshea]

ESPN's version of the "elaborate scheme" didn't seem plausible to me either. Bedard had trouble wrapping his head around it on F&M yesterday too. The ESPN version is an advanced scout would go to a game of an upcoming opponent. The scout would create a spreadsheet of signals and plays. Upon returning to Foxboro, the scout would hand the spreadsheet to Ernie who would attempt to match the spreadsheet to the tapes.

I guess to me it seems extremely far fetched that a scout could chart all the signals and plays while at the game. In 40 seconds, can a guy (or even really 2 or 3) note all signals? Also, I'm not sure what tapes Ernie was trying to match to it, but they wouldn't have had tapes of signals from that particular game because they weren't involved in it. I guess he could be trying to match the signals to old tapes the Pats have, but since teams change them so much, I don't think there was really much to be learned. Seems like if this was indeed what was going on, it was largely a fool's errand.

 

[DavidTai]

Not to mention, if you can chart and catch all signals -that- quickly, you're far better off staying on the sidelines telling these things directly to the coach. Why even bother taping it?

 

[nighthob]

More to the point that "cheating scheme" has an actual name, it's called "advance scouting" and literally every team does it. Hell, the Dolphins audio recorded the Patriots offense during one advance scouting trip and then synched up the audio recordings to the game tape to learn New England's audibles. Which was completely legal.

 

[lexrageorge]

[SIZE=10.5pt]All the cameraman would likely record is the down & distance from the scoreboard and the signals from the coaching staff.  You’d then just compare that to the still-frame pics that every team has access to on the sideline.  I don’t know if all teams do it the same but one team snaps an overhead pic pre-snap and two seconds post-snap, which is all you need to see what players are doing on any given play.  So if you wanted to know the signal for a particular blitz or coverage, you’d just rewind the tape to the shot that showed 12:17 of the 1st quarter on the 3rd & 13 play.  Or whatever.  So there's no need to parse 90 minutes worth of game tape or to do rapid processing.  All you need is a cameraman recording only the relevant info and a camcorder that has a viewfinder that you can rewind tape on.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I think Belichick is an honorable man and the greatest NFL coach certainly of my lifetime if not ever. And if he had his people deciphering opposing teams signals by using tapes as I laid out above I wouldn't be terribly surprised and wouldn't have all that much problem with it to be honest.  I'd chalk that up to part of the game.  And as someone mentioned - he/they broke the rule and got fined.  Heavily, I'd add.  So I don't really have a big problem with any of this and agree that the attention is way overweight and likely induced by jealousy by NY fans in the NFL office that hate the Pats because Boston and hate Belichick because Jets. The whole thing is way overblown and it was part of the game anyway.  It's stupid.  But technically it was possible and theoretically it was valuable info to have.  It actually makes me think back to when I was growing up on football in the early 80's in the DC area and would hear about how Joe Gibbs was the master at "halftime adjustments".  I wonder how many "halftime adjustments" were smarter teams having deciphered not only gameplans but playcalls from the sidelines?  It's interesting to consider...[/SIZE]

I think you may be understating the complexity of doing all that recording in real time.  During a game, I can see a situation arising where someone in the coaches booth is spying the opposing team's sideline signals with binoculars.  If the spotters are really good, they could figure out that whenever the coaches flash a 3 the middle linebacker blitzes.  But that's really stretching it, and I do recall coaches saying they will often times give out multiple signals in order to prevent that exact scenario from happening.  But attempting to read film and decipher the signals during a 12 minute halftime seems unlikely. 
 
The value of the taped signals would come into play when the actual game films are reviewed.  The down and distance would be matched up with the same point in the game film, and the coaches would have time to decipher the signals.  But that's a post-game benefit.  

 

[Bongorific]

Who creates the game film teams use to prepare for an opponent? Does the NFL have designated cameras capturing every game from different angles and then provide the video to teams? Or do the teams create the video themselves and then provide copies to the league that are shared?

From what I've read, teams are allowed to film their own games. My assumption is they can only do this from certain areas, going back to the whole sideline video issue.

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

More to the point that "cheating scheme" has an actual name, it's called "advance scouting" and literally every team does it. Hell, the Dolphins audio recorded the Patriots offense during one advance scouting trip and then synched up the audio recordings to the game tape to learn New England's audibles. Which was completely legal.

 
I would almost bet that they even reviewed the tape in a room only accessible to the coach and a few other team officials.

 

[Harry Hooper]

IIRC, Jeff Fisher went on and on about how the Competition Committee was engaged in a multi-year effort to keep technology out of game preparation and execution. It was very akin to Harbaugh's complaining about the unconventional formations. Bottom line: Don't make my job as an NFL head coach any harder!!!

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Who creates the game film teams use to prepare for an opponent? Does the NFL have designated cameras capturing every game from different angles and then provide the video to teams? Or do the teams create the video themselves and then provide copies to the league that are shared?

From what I've read, teams are allowed to film their own games. My assumption is they can only do this from certain areas, going back to the whole sideline video issue.

Teams cut their own game films and exchange them with each other.  There's a camera up top of the stadium at the 50 and one in the end zone.
 
At least that's how it was done ten years ago.  Things have likely changed once they finally got completely digital.

 

[Devizier]

NHL
Mike Danton
Todd Bertuzzi
Enforcer suicides
Boots Del Biaggio ownership
Multiple illegal contracts to circumvent salary cap

 
Patrick Kane, anyone?

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/patriots-never-bothered-to-steal-jets-playbook

--Woody blasts Pats for disinterest in Jets playbook.

 
You do know this was a humor piece, right?

 

[Trlicek's Whip]

They need to buy a bunch of dummy security cams and put them everywhere in the visitors clubhouse. Put them under the visiting bench. Put them everywhere.

 
"These are the cameras they WANTED us to find."
 
-Harry Caul, new NFL consultant (and surveillance expert)
 

 

[Ed Hillel]

I'm an Eagles. I'm open to evidence of cheating in SB39 exceeding gamesmanship. That being said, I want proof. Otherwise I relive the most glaring example of McNabb's clock mismanagement. Eagles, down a field goal, starting at their own 5 with 0:46 remaining and no timeouts. McNabb takes the snap, surveys the field, and throws a ball to Brian Westbrook, at the line of scrimmage in the center of the field and tackled after a 1 yard gain. The play burned 24 seconds off the clock. That's what I remember from SB39 and it fucking pisses me off.

The Eagles shifted to Dime and the Patriots started running the ball. What more could you want?

 

[Bongorific]

Teams cut their own game films and exchange them with each other.  There's a camera up top of the stadium at the 50 and one in the end zone.
 
At least that's how it was done ten years ago.  Things have likely changed once they finally got completely digital.

I assume teams are then required to blur out any image of a coach captured in these films? Just as baseball broadcasts aren't allowed to depict the third base coach giving signals to a hitter and only showing the catcher from the waist up to pevent pitch calls being shown.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I want BFB to come out to Darth Vader's theme song, unveil the banner himself, and get carried off the field on a chariot made of pandas.  Another vote here for embracing the dark side.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

The Eagles shifted to Dime and the Patriots started running the ball. What more could you want?

The poorly worded ESPN article stated that the Pats scored TDs on 3 out of 4 drives where the Eagles were apparently in dime D. Of those three TD drives the Pats had a total of 8 rushes for 33 yards, and 17 passes for 144 yards.
 
So, not really.  The Pats passed twice as often and twice as effectively as they ran on those particular drives.

I assume teams are then required to blur out any image of a coach captured in these films? Just as baseball broadcasts aren't allowed to depict the third base coach giving signals to a hitter and only showing the catcher from the waist up to pevent pitch calls being shown.
 

The films were taken from atop the stadium so it's a non-issue, although I think I'm missing whatever it is you're getting at here.

 

[nighthob]

You do know this was a humor piece, right?

Huh? That's Andy Borowitz, he hasn't ever been funny.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

 
Don't forget Javaris Crittenton, who threatened Gilbert Arenas with a gun in the locker room and went on to join the Crips while being an active player and kill a mother of 4 who was an innocent bystander to his attempted hit on a rival gang member who stole his necklace. And he was also arrested for narcotics trafficking. 

I forgot all about this wonderful man! Busted for selling blow while out on bond for murder. Jesus.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

As posted in the Media subforum by The Gray Eagle (link), PFT Commenter's latest gem is a must-read: 
 
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/8/9271793/mmbm-what-else-are-the-patriots-hiding
 

And if you want to look at the cover up lets take a look at who in our government was in charge of investigaing the Pats for Spygate-  Senator Arlen Spector. Turns out he came up empty handed in his "efforts" to find out all the bad stuff the Pats did which is the shocker of the century. Oh but wait, this is Arlen Spector we're talking about here. The same Arlen Spector who was a leading counsel in the Warren Commissons hearings on the assassination of John F Kennedy. The same Arlen Spector whose loony-tune "single bullet" theory that "proved" that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and that there was no conspiracy to kill the President. Just the type of guy youd bring in to clear your organizaton of a massive conspiracy. Why am I the only one who is seeing this???
 
Just so we're all on the same page- the Patriots brought in the same guy to clear them of cheating that also argued that one bullet penetrated "15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone", and also found that the Patriots videotaping of one Jets practice aloud them to win 86 regular season games, 14 playoff contests, and 3 Superbowls.

 

 

[Jimbodandy]

"and also found that the Patriots videotaping of one Jets practice aloud them to win 86 regular season games, 14 playoff contests, and 3 Superbowls."
 
"aloud"  That hurts to read.

 

[djbayko]

The films were taken from atop the stadium so it's a non-issue, although I think I'm missing whatever it is you're getting at here.

With today's ubiquitous HD camera tech, I doubt it's a non-issue.

I think he was pointing out the lunacy of the NFL's policies when it seems that in every other sport on Earth, the onus is on each individual team to keep their secrets secret.

 

[Harry Hooper]

With today's ubiquitous camera tech, I doubt it's a non-issue.

I think he was pointing out the lunacy of the NFL's policies when it seems that in every other sport on Earth, it is up to the individual teams to keep their secrets secret.

. I'm just a (coaching) caveman. Your technology scares me.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

With today's ubiquitous HD camera tech, I doubt it's a non-issue.

I think he was pointing out the lunacy of the NFL's policies when it seems that in every other sport on Earth, the onus is on each individual team to keep their secrets secret.

So were you in power you'd have an anything goes policy?  Tape whatever you want from wherever you want at any time and do with it whatever you want to do?

 

[Stitch01]

Other sports have a "right" and "wrong" way to steal signs. Its just the punishment is usually a guy getting hit with a baseball rather than a Senate investigation. Maybe we should have just let Kensil fire a ball at BBs ass 8 year ago and we could have all moved on.

 

[Ed Hillel]

So were you in power you'd have an anything goes policy?  Tape whatever you want from wherever you want at any time and do with it whatever you want to do?

Personally, I think you have to do it all out or nothing at all. Making only certain places illegal in a world where everyone has cameras in their pockets basically just makes it look like the NFL is trying to show the public it cares, while in reality nobody in the league does. The rule is illogical. I also think taping signals is just as likely to hurt a team than help. People change signs, especially now.

 

[Gambler7]

According to Zolak for whatever reason Chanel 7 had news cameras outside McNally's house and he was walking in with a handful of people. Zolak said he looks like he lost 40 pounds. Can't make this up. 

 

[lexrageorge]

Personally, I think you have to do it all out or nothing at all. Making only certain places illegal in a world where everyone has cameras in their pockets basically just makes it look like the NFL is trying to show the public it cares, while in reality nobody in the league does. The rule is illogical. I also think taping signals is just as likely to hurt a team than help. People change signs, especially now.

NFL coaches use radios now.  So the whole discussion is essentially moot. 

 

[djbayko]

Other sports have a "right" and "wrong" way to steal signs. Its just the punishment is usually a guy getting hit with a baseball rather than a Senate investigation. Maybe we should have just let Kensil fire a ball at BBs ass 8 year ago and we could have all moved on.

A good example of teams being responsible for their own secrets and policing.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Not to kick up that recurring joke and I can see why the Pats/BB wouldn't want any part of the discovery portion of a defamation suit, but unless ESPN has some legit source this shit is getting closer to libel - putting this stuff out there as true without some concrete background is reckless disregard for truth.

Late to address this, but that line from the SI article basically concluding the Patriots cheated in SB 49 with absolutely no evidence is getting close, to say the least.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Personally, I think you have to do it all out or nothing at all. Making only certain places illegal in a world where everyone has cameras in their pockets basically just makes it look like the NFL is trying to show the public it cares, while in reality nobody in the league does. The rule is illogical. I also think taping signals is just as likely to hurt a team than help. People change signs, especially now.

I mean, if you want to get technical about it the memo stated that all videotaping is illegal.  Period.  It read " "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."
 
So, "video taping of any type...is prohibited...at any...location accessible to club staff members during a game".  Not all passes are created equal, but there are club officials with all-access passes, and they can go anywhere, including into the stands.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

NFL coaches use radios now.  So the whole discussion is essentially moot. 

But it isn't. Coaches are still sending in signals today:
 

 

[Ed Hillel]

I mean, if you want to get technical about it the memo stated that all videotaping is illegal.  Period.  It read " "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."
 
So, "video taping of any type...is prohibited...at any...location accessible to club staff members during a game".  Not all passes are created equal, but there are club officials with all-access passes, and they can go anywhere, including into the stands.

That's true. I have no issues with the Pats getting punished after that 2006 memo, though I still think the penalty was excessive, and the owners' seeming santimony over the issue was ridiculous.

 

[Captaincoop]

I heard the reporter who "broke" this "story" on the radio this morning, and I still fail to see what is newsworthy.  The Patriots were already punished - heavily - for the videotaping back in 2007.  The story now appears to be that Goodell allowed several jealous and bitter owners to push him into using the minor equipment violation from the AFCCG as a way to impose additional punishment on the Patriots because those owners suspected (but couldn't - and still can't - prove) that the 2007 violations were more significant than reported.
 
In short, this is another story about how screwed up the NFL is, not anything that is relevant to the Patriots in 2015.  Any attempt to spin it as a new story about Patriots' malfeasance is sheer nonsense.

 

[garzooma]

I absolutely agree with DCM's statement that this is not going to end. Kraft needs to take the initiative aggressively. Time to step out of the clubbiness of the Gazillionaire owners circle and go Al Davis, up to and including threats to spill all of the NFL's dirty laundry.

Agreed, Jonathan?

 
One thing he should do is call out the coward owner who won't put his name on his claim that the Patriots got away with something in CameraPlacementGate.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Mike Reiss wraps up the inactive list charge, Johnson and Madden comments on filming, etc. ... in a link that won't find its way onto SC
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4784949/make-up-call-stands-out-from-tuesdays-patriots-stories?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[CantKeepmedown]

Boomer Esiason had a pretty reasonable take on this with Jim Rome.  Rome asked him about stealing playsheets (as if this has become gospel that the Pats did it).  Esiason said that teams tried to do it all the time.  Rome asked him if it was gamesmanship or crossing the line, i.e. cheating?  Boomer said it was just gamesmanship and nothing else.  Said that it's on the team to make sure nothing is laying around that could be used by the other team, and it's up to the teams themselves to not be taken advantage of. He said that Brandon Marshall told him that he found an opponents playsheet once and gave it directly to his defensive coordinator.  Obviously, finding it and actively searching for it is not quite the same, but Boomer didn't seem to think it was a big deal either way.
 
Also, he made a comment about how it would be easy for him to whine and cry and say that Super Bowl XXIII was stolen from him because Jerry Rice was using stick-em on his gloves.  But, he said that he accepts the fact that the 49ers were the better team that night, made plays when they needed to and ultimately won the game.  He said if more former players could just accept that fact, things would be much better.  

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

And where has Martz been the last 8 years?

Since you asked...

He's been working with "The Scouting Academy", which has just partnered with our very own "Inside the Pylon" a few days ago.

Kind of neat, huh?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Zolak also said earlier Reiss is pissed off at ESPN and has been reprimanded twice for what he's written. I'm guessing that may be strike 3?

 

[jimbobim]

Zolak also said earlier Reiss is pissed off at ESPN and has been reprimanded twice for what he's written. I'm guessing that may be strike 3?

Jesus the  ESPN/NFL suits have to get off their sensitive "They cheated no doubt about it high horse". Reiss would be hired by the Globe in a millisecond if they actually offed him for putting some sunlight on their steaming pile of crap. 

 

[allstonite]

Zolak also said earlier Reiss is pissed off at ESPN and has been reprimanded twice for what he's written. I'm guessing that may be strike 3?

 
If this is true ESPN sunk even lower in my eyes and I didn't think that was possible. He's far too good at his job to work there

 

[RedOctober3829]

Jesus the  ESPN/NFL suits have to get off their sensitive "They cheated no doubt about it high horse". Reiss would be hired by the Globe in a millisecond if they actually offed him for putting some sunlight on their steaming pile of crap. 

Reiss should get out of ESPN.  He has higher standards than working for that mouthpiece. 

 

[DJnVa]

According to Zolak for whatever reason Chanel 7 had news cameras outside McNally's house and he was walking in with a handful of people. Zolak said he looks like he lost 40 pounds. Can't make this up. 

 
That's hilarious.
 
I'm sure the Patriots paid for his crash diet.