SoSH Mock Draft?
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Bosox4416 said:
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TheDeuce222 said:
DanoooME said:
Time to pick your teams gents. Teams left:
- Texans
- Giants
- Cowboys
- Dolphins
- Chargers
- Panthers
- Seahawks
SMU_Sox said:
Alright -- the roster is almost set, pending the trade between GF and SMU: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/82730-sosh-mock-draft/?p=5340426
SeoulSoxFan said:
You got it, unless I should flip Wibi for it.
I'll take on the
I'm ready to get it going.
The Houston Texans take Johnny Manziel, Quarterback, Texas A&M University. I considered Clowney extensively, but ultimately, without a quarterback we can trust, I couldn't pass on a Quarterback who could be a franchise player. We still have Watt on defense, and given the strides Manziel showed at his pro day, I like his chances to become an efficient pocket passer and retain his mobility and playmaking ability.
The Houston Texans take Johnny Manziel, Quarterback, Texas A&M University. I considered Clowney extensively, but ultimately, without a quarterback we can trust, I couldn't pass on a Quarterback who could be a franchise player. We still have Watt on defense, and given the strides Manziel showed at his pro day, I like his chances to become an efficient pocket passer and retain his mobility and playmaking ability.
TheDeuce222 said:
For future reference bold the name and position, it will make it way easier on SSF when trying to fill the draft sheet.
That's a pretty bold first pick. He's not what I think BOB would be looking for in a QB, because he doesn't really fit his system, but the athleticism is kind of hard to overlook. You say you need a QB you can trust but that's a lot to put on a rook (not named Luck.) You may be setting him up to fail. I think a relentless D helps a rookie QB (see Wilson, R) and I'm a defensive guy, so the thought of Clowney and Watt on the same line is an opportunity I wouldn't be able to pass up.
Got it. Will bold the picks from here on in. Not saying that Houston can trust Manziel right away necessarily, but I think his potential is too good to pass up. Especially after seeing Mario Williams have a nice career but ultimately leave in free agency, I would rather take a shot at quarterback that could be a star. I don't think you need to anoint Manziel from day 1 as your starter, as I feel like Fitzpatrick can keep the team competitive for 8-10 games if need be. I feel a lot better about getting an impact defensive player at 33 rather than reaching for a QB I don't have confidence in if the top 3 plus Carr are off the board as I suspect may be the case. Being able to compete year in and year out comes down to having a difference maker at quarterback. I'm not wiling to pass that opportunity to get one by.
If you're picking a guy number 1 overall, you better be anointing him as your starter. Letting him sit or hold a clipboard isn't going to do him any good. In fact, I think that mindset has become antiquated in todays NFL.
Manziel could be a difference maker. He could also be Tebow part deux. I understand your line of thought, I still think it's a bold pick.
Manziel could be a difference maker. He could also be Tebow part deux. I understand your line of thought, I still think it's a bold pick.
Are trades allowed? If so, Elcab is about to become the most popular person on SoSH since Teagan Presley.
Call me old fashioned - I'd like to see the guy earn the job. Whether that is in training camp or by Week 12, Manziel is gonna be the starter for these fictional Texans by the end of 2014 and for a long, long time to come. I don't see he Tebow comparison personally. Manziel has a far better throwing motion and much more translatable skills than Tebow. His floor is a lot higher in my mind.Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
TheDeuce222 said:
Manzel??? We're off to a controversial start for sure.
I agree that Manzel could be -- should be -- much better than Tebow. But there has to be a lot more than that to be #1, no? It has to be a sure-fire, bona fide starter, a difference maker. Manzel could be, but far from any sort of a guarantee, even in the crapshoot that's the NFL draft.
Also, I think picking him on a horrible pass blocking team (minus Duane Brown -- literally every other OL got a minus PFF grade) is inviting disaster. This is a unit that allowed 55 QB hits and 180 hurries. That's a whopping 223 total pressures allowed including sacks in just 684 passing plays.
Manzel may start by week 12, but he may be out by week 14.
P.S. Not sure if it's kosher to talk about what player should have been picked -- thoughts?
That does help quite a bit in filling out the chart.
mascho said:
Agreed. Too bad Jets are stacked at a certain position. I'd go all Tannenbaum and offer a boatload for Elcab's #2 pick.
I think we should be able to. What's the point of doing this if we're not going to discuss it? There's no reason to be overly competitive about an Internet mock draft.wibi said:
wibi said:
Alright -- thanks wibi. You're the new GM for the Panthers, with DM taking on the Seahawks. Chart updated with the 1st pick, and a quick poll on Manzel.
Also for any NEW GM's, it's not too late to join -- I'd be happy to give up the Steelers if someone would like to participate.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Nip's message seems to indicate that posts could take a bit to come back (having worked with databases that's a thankless job).
So I've put up the latest chart (Bosox4416 is on the clock) that shows all of the picks so far, and hopefully the posts about each pick will come back.
Just to recap where we're at so far in case we don't get posts back:
1. HOU- Football, Johnny QB
2. STL- Watkins, Sammy WR
3. JAX- Clowney, Jadaveon DE
4. STL- Robinson, Greg OL via Browns (#13, #44)
5. OAK- Bridgewater, Teddy QB
6. ATL- Mack, Khalil OLB
7. TB- Bortles, Blake QB
8. MIN- Gilbert, Justin CB
9. BUF- Matthews, Jake OL
10. DET- Evans, Mike WR
11. TEN- On the clock
1. HOU- Football, Johnny QB
2. STL- Watkins, Sammy WR
3. JAX- Clowney, Jadaveon DE
4. STL- Robinson, Greg OL via Browns (#13, #44)
5. OAK- Bridgewater, Teddy QB
6. ATL- Mack, Khalil OLB
7. TB- Bortles, Blake QB
8. MIN- Gilbert, Justin CB
9. BUF- Matthews, Jake OL
10. DET- Evans, Mike WR
11. TEN- On the clock
Sorry, this site has been weird for me, and I thought I had the Steelers! Anyway,
The Tennessee Titans select Anthony Barr OLB/DE UCLA
The Titans lack an outside pass rushing presence, and with new DC Ray Horton in the fold I think this will be a top priority. I was hoping Justin Gilbert or Jake Matthews would fall a bit more to this spot but Barr is a great consolation prize.
The Tennessee Titans select Anthony Barr OLB/DE UCLA
The Titans lack an outside pass rushing presence, and with new DC Ray Horton in the fold I think this will be a top priority. I was hoping Justin Gilbert or Jake Matthews would fall a bit more to this spot but Barr is a great consolation prize.
NY Giants select Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt
The Giants are pretty straight ahead in their draft philosophy - select from the best players available, build from the lines out, value hard workers. The O-Line was a disaster last season, so a number of mocks are projecting Taylor Lewan. But the Giants have invested heavily at the tackles recently giving Beatty a large contract before last season and drafting Pugh in the 2013 first round. They'll look to bolster the middle of the line later in the draft.
A lot of other mocks have Eric Ebron going here noting that new OC Ben McAdoo was Green Bay's TE coach before being their QB coach. But it's hard to picture a Tom Coughlin team trotting out a Jimmy-Graham-style, non-blocking TE. A TE that can do a bit of both is on the shopping list for a later round.
On the other side of the ball, Donald fills a distinct need. This defense needs to generate pressure from the front 4 to really work. Donald is under-sized compared to the other DTs Jerry Reese has drafted, but his skill, work ethic, and track record make him too promising to pass up, And with a healthy JPP drawing extra blockers, Donald should see enough 1-on-1s to wreak havoc in backfields right away.
Edit: Just to keep up with the other GM's firing up their fans with pics of their picks.
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The Giants are pretty straight ahead in their draft philosophy - select from the best players available, build from the lines out, value hard workers. The O-Line was a disaster last season, so a number of mocks are projecting Taylor Lewan. But the Giants have invested heavily at the tackles recently giving Beatty a large contract before last season and drafting Pugh in the 2013 first round. They'll look to bolster the middle of the line later in the draft.
A lot of other mocks have Eric Ebron going here noting that new OC Ben McAdoo was Green Bay's TE coach before being their QB coach. But it's hard to picture a Tom Coughlin team trotting out a Jimmy-Graham-style, non-blocking TE. A TE that can do a bit of both is on the shopping list for a later round.
On the other side of the ball, Donald fills a distinct need. This defense needs to generate pressure from the front 4 to really work. Donald is under-sized compared to the other DTs Jerry Reese has drafted, but his skill, work ethic, and track record make him too promising to pass up, And with a healthy JPP drawing extra blockers, Donald should see enough 1-on-1s to wreak havoc in backfields right away.
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With the #13 pick, the Cleveland Browns select Darqueze Dennard, CB Michigan State - the best corner on my board. With Manziel, Watkins and Clowney off the board, the Browns decided to acquire a potential shutdown corner to pair with Joe Haden. He will start immediately becoming an instant upgrade on Buster Skrine. The Browns defense continues on its quiet path to dominance.
Bears select Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville.
Phil Emery doesn't have too much of a track record to get a sense of his philosophy. He's got 2 drafts under his belt, but those were with 2 different head coaches. Some hallmarks seem to be a preference for guys with great measurables, work ethic, and "coachability." That's lead to some first round reaches in the "experts'" opinions - Shea McClellin ('13) and Kyle Long ('14), with the former a potential bust and the latter a potential Pro Bowler. And while there are plenty of needs on defense, it's not clear where the Bears' scheme is headed. The word this off season has been the need for more flexibility and physicality, but not abandoning the 4-3/Tampa-2 basics.
So...Aaron Donald would have been the pick, as would have Gilbert or Dennard. But with safety a pressing need and Pryor showing more raw athleticism and physical edge than HaHa Clinton-Dix, the Bears jumped on Pryor to change the character of their secondary.
In reality, Emery could pull any number of surprises here. And one of the two Alabama first rounders (Clinton-Dix and Mosely) would not be shocking either since DC Mel Tucker worked under Saban at Michigan St and LSU.
Phil Emery doesn't have too much of a track record to get a sense of his philosophy. He's got 2 drafts under his belt, but those were with 2 different head coaches. Some hallmarks seem to be a preference for guys with great measurables, work ethic, and "coachability." That's lead to some first round reaches in the "experts'" opinions - Shea McClellin ('13) and Kyle Long ('14), with the former a potential bust and the latter a potential Pro Bowler. And while there are plenty of needs on defense, it's not clear where the Bears' scheme is headed. The word this off season has been the need for more flexibility and physicality, but not abandoning the 4-3/Tampa-2 basics.
So...Aaron Donald would have been the pick, as would have Gilbert or Dennard. But with safety a pressing need and Pryor showing more raw athleticism and physical edge than HaHa Clinton-Dix, the Bears jumped on Pryor to change the character of their secondary.
In reality, Emery could pull any number of surprises here. And one of the two Alabama first rounders (Clinton-Dix and Mosely) would not be shocking either since DC Mel Tucker worked under Saban at Michigan St and LSU.
67YAZ said:
Nice pick and write up 67Yaz. Chart updated with all current picks. Gunfighter is up -- did you PM him 67Yaz?
I did.SeoulSoxFan said:
Have to say that this stretch of picks, basically 10-16, is probably going to generate some trades to jockey for position. All these teams have overlapping needs on the defensive side of the ball and there's a group of excellent prospects (Gilbert, Barr, Dennard, Donald, Pryor, Clinton-Dix) that lack some of the questions marks around the next tier of prospects (Mosely, Jerrigan, Nix III, Hageman, Roby, Ealy).
It's easy to picture Dallas getting aggressive and move for Barr while the Giants or Rams or Steelers drop down if their preferred pick is off the board. Should be fun to watch unfold.
Agree -- there are some intriguing names for offensive players as well.
Which leads me to say... Jets are rushing in a new era, and making the pick at #18 available for trade.
Which leads me to say... Jets are rushing in a new era, and making the pick at #18 available for trade.
The Steelers can use some extra picks. And Justin Gilbert is already gone, but Taylor Lewan is a great value here, about ten picks after he should have been picked:
Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan
Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan
I’m excited to be Jerry Jones for a day (I think just one day would be enough) but this draft has broke in the worst possible fashion for the Cowboys. Their needs are plentiful with Interior OL and Defensive Line clearly at the top of the list. On the defensive line their need is more at the DE position then an interior guy, but really either would be a big help. But Dallas also has needs at defensive back (corner and safety) and linebacker. The Cowboys don’t really feel like a move up candidate because they have so many needs, so their options at #16 are to hope a player falls to them or to try to move back. Specifically Dallas is hoping that Aaron Donald, Anthony Barr, Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard fall to them. None of that happened in this draft.
This leaves Dallas in tight spot. It feels too early to me for the next group at DL: Hagemen, Tuitt, Nix and Jernigan. Your mileage might vary on that assessment and there are a ton of mock drafts out there sending Jernigan to the Cowboys. Same with the interior OL guys, with maybe the exception of Zack Martin. But my read on this draft is that there is going to be value at DT and OL through the first 3 or 4 rounds.
Assuming that Dallas can fill holes at DT and OL in the middle rounds that leaves two viable options for this pick: DE, Kony Ealy or S, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Again though you have to ask the question, which position do you feel better about in the middle rounds, DE or S. My take is that Ealy is closer to the DEs you are going to find in the middle rounds then Clinton-Dix is to the Safeties that you will find later.
Considering the draft broke in a way that does not align with Dallas’ top area of need, the Cowboys are going to take the best value they can to improve a secondary area of need. The Cowboys select Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
This leaves Dallas in tight spot. It feels too early to me for the next group at DL: Hagemen, Tuitt, Nix and Jernigan. Your mileage might vary on that assessment and there are a ton of mock drafts out there sending Jernigan to the Cowboys. Same with the interior OL guys, with maybe the exception of Zack Martin. But my read on this draft is that there is going to be value at DT and OL through the first 3 or 4 rounds.
Assuming that Dallas can fill holes at DT and OL in the middle rounds that leaves two viable options for this pick: DE, Kony Ealy or S, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Again though you have to ask the question, which position do you feel better about in the middle rounds, DE or S. My take is that Ealy is closer to the DEs you are going to find in the middle rounds then Clinton-Dix is to the Safeties that you will find later.
Considering the draft broke in a way that does not align with Dallas’ top area of need, the Cowboys are going to take the best value they can to improve a secondary area of need. The Cowboys select Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
The Ravens were below average on the offensive line last year. Martin gives them an immediate upgrade on the offensive line. Martin demonstrated ability at both OT and OG during the Senior Bowl, and makes a ton of sense for the Ravens at the spot. He immediately makes Flacco a better QB as well.
The Ravens were below average on the offensive line last year. Martin gives them an immediate upgrade on the offensive line. Martin demonstrated ability at both OT and OG during the Senior Bowl, and makes a ton of sense for the Ravens at the spot. He immediately makes Flacco a better QB as well.