Following the fight, well-known trainer and commentator Teddy Atlas tweeted that "boxing is a corrupt sport."
Can't blame the ref, but the judges...yes. I get what you mean though, lol.Boxing refs are much, much worse than NBA refs.
Bradley won 4 absolute TOPS.
Fix and black deals are the only explanation. Sickening.
Go ahead and hype the rematch fuckers. Robbers and thieves.
When they're all corrupt, who cares what you call'em. aimiright?Can't blame the ref, but the judges...yes. I get what you mean though, lol.
ESPN: "Just hearing Tim Bradley say after the fight, "Well, I have to go back to the tape and see if I won the fight." That is telling"The winner of the fight was asking for a rematch. When do you ever see that?
I figured Bradley might have won only two rounds, maybe three. When I heard the first score, I was already in a state of shock. I kind of figured that something was going wrong after that.Dan Rafael scored it 119-109. Gave only the first round to Bradley
That was kind of wierd and now it looks/sounds like a foreshadowing of what was to come.I'll say something... I mentioned to my gf at the time how I thought it was weird that Bradley's trainer kept counting the rounds to go... but never seemed to be giving him an idea how he was losing the fight and needed to pick it up/go for the KO, etc.. I didn't think it was because of THIS.. I thought he was just trying to get his fighter through alive.
At the very end he said something like "1 more round til history!" And I was thinking... huh? Maybe you should let him know he's losing 10 rounds to 1! Guess not.
True, GCPT, but even if you give the 1st and the last FOUR, very generously, that's only 5. And that's assuming today's Bradley's birthday and just hit to lotto.It wil be very interesting to see the judges' round-by-round scorecards. I would guess they gave Bradley the benefit of the doubt in each of those later rounds where Pacquiao eased up a bit.
I believe Jim Lampley said on all 3 scorecards that they had Bradley winning 8 of the last 9 rounds. That is what Lampley said in the post fight conversation.Trusting judges is always a bad move in boxing. Even if they're not corrupt (and not saying they weren't in this fight, given the reported late action on Bradley), they are often just wrong. Manny had several chances to go in for the kill on Bradley and he never did. Then in the final few rounds he eased up on the gas pedal. Not as bad as De La Hoya against Trinidad, but kind of the same thing. He was still winning rounds (in my book) but he was allowing Bradley to look good.
Doesn't take away from the fact that this decision was historically bad horseshit. But Pacquiao has to take some blame for allowing it to happen. He could have and should have ended it in he middle rounds. And why he coasted through the final few rounds is a mystery to me.
It wil be very interesting to see the judges' round-by-round scorecards. I would guess they gave Bradley the benefit of the doubt in each of those later rounds where Pacquiao eased up a bit.
Promoter Bob Arum fumed, the crowd at the MGM Grand arena booed, and Pacquiao seemed stunned when the decision was announced. Arum said there would be a November rematch, though he blasted the way the decision went down.
"I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.
Noticed that too. Was waiting for Bradley's trainer to tell him he was going to need the KO. When I heard that I was definitely perplexed. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure the first thing I heard Freddie Roach say to Pacquiao when he sat down after round 11 was that he needed a knockout. Completely ass-backwards. Very, very strange. Also odd that Bradley's corner hoisted him up after the match considering it wasn't even close, which seemed to initially confuse the announcers as well.I'll say something... I mentioned to my gf at the time how I thought it was weird that Bradley's trainer kept counting the rounds to go... but never seemed to be giving him an idea how he was losing the fight and needed to pick it up/go for the KO, etc.. I didn't think it was because of THIS.. I thought he was just trying to get his fighter through alive.
At the very end he said something like "1 more round til history!" And I was thinking... huh? Maybe you should let him know he's losing 10 rounds to 1! Guess not.
Hey, I totally agree! I'm just saying that boxing is what it is and the only way to prevent incompetent and/or corrupt decisions is to knock your opponent the fuck out. I thought Pacquiao had several chances to go for it tonight but he never took them, then he let Bradley get back into the fight sometime around round 8 or 9.True, GCPT, but even if you give the 1st and the last FOUR, very generously, that's only 5. And that's assuming today's Bradley's birthday and just hit to lotto.
I hear ya GCPT.Hey, I totally agree! I'm just saying that boxing is what it is and the only way to prevent incompetent and/or corrupt decisions is to knock your opponent the fuck out. I thought Pacquiao had several chances to go for it tonight but he never took them, then he let Bradley get back into the fight sometime around round 8 or 9.
Emanuel Stwerad once said, "I wish every fight could end in a knockout." And I do too!
I believe that this was for the last three rounds. So the last three rounds on three scorecards equals 9 rounds. They had Bradley winning 8 of those 9 rounds.I believe Jim Lampley said on all 3 scorecards that they had Bradley winning 8 of the last 9 rounds. That is what Lampley said in the post fight conversation.
Ah okay, sorry about that I misunderstood that. Thanks.I believe that this was for the last three rounds. So the last three rounds on three scorecards equals 9 rounds. They had Bradley winning 8 of those 9 rounds.
I like your style, playa, you move fast! Who's the new chick?I'll say something... I mentioned to my gf at the time how I thought it was weird that Bradley's trainer kept counting the rounds to go... but never seemed to be giving him an idea how he was losing the fight and needed to pick it up/go for the KO, etc.. I didn't think it was because of THIS.. I thought he was just trying to get his fighter through alive.
At the very end he said something like "1 more round til history!" And I was thinking... huh? Maybe you should let him know he's losing 10 rounds to 1! Guess not.
Bradley should have given the belt and announce victory to paquiao right after the decision.
Let the conspiracy theories flourish. The contract had a rematch clause - even the Nov. 10th date. Fuck, let Oscar sign Pacman to Golden Boy after the rematch.Atlas says it's fishy that it was Pacquiao's last contracted fight with Arum, and now he gets the rematch.
I haven't watched Boxing in years (mostly for exactly the reasons stated in this thread), but it looks like the stats you quote are for power shots only.ESPN stats:
Landed / thrown / %
Pacman: 190 / 493 / 38.5
Bradley: 109 / 390 / 27.7
I didn't see it, but I'm guessing Avery Bradley did:I like your style, playa, you move fast! Who's the new chick?
Anyway, unreal decision. After the Celts debacle I quickly set up to stream the fight and lay a few wagers. Took over 9.5 rounds, and took a flyer on Bradley at +310. Just needed the over to break even, so imagine my surprise when I heard the decision. I won, but what a joke.
I'd like to rewatch the fight with the sound off, as Kellerman himself suggested. It's possible my/our views were skewed, but I don't think this one fails the eyeball test. I'm curious to hear about the on the street reaction in Vegas.
Go OKC.
EDIT- BTW, anyone hear on the post-fight Sportcenter how the guy referred to Manny getting upset by AVERY Bradley? I rewound it three times and I'm sure that's what he said. He sure as hell didn't say Timothy.
@Avery_Bradley Yep I Just Beat Pacquiao Up! Lol
I didn't see it, but I'm guessing Avery Bradley did:
https://twitter.com/Avery_Bradley/status/211701706747154434
While it was a risk, Manny's power is extremely overrated. He hit Bradley flush all night with that "devastating" straight left and only really rocked him twice.For the fix to be in, Manny would have had to be in on it -- because there was always a string posisbility of a KO. Bradley is hittable and Manny can hit.
Not exactly an implication of Roach "being in" on the fix or anything of that nature. But I found it odd for the trainer of a guy who was up by a wide margin in a majority of people's minds to tell his fighter he needed a KO in the last round.I think it's unfair to implicate the fighters or the corners in any kind of fix. There are logical reasons for why the trainers would be saying these things to their guys going into the twelfth round.