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September NHL News Thread

Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by PedroSpecialK, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Big Daddy Wheels signs a 5 year, $41.25m extension with Winnipeg for $8.25m AAV - kicks in for 2019-20 when he'll be 33.



    That one could hurt
     
  2. burstnbloom

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    NBD, they only have $52 mil committed next year with Laine, Connor, Trouba, and Morrisey to sign and Myers and Chiarot to replace in the lineup. YIKES. They could very easily be at the cap next year with 9 forwards, 4 D and a goaltender if they don't get any deals on those guys.
     
  3. LogansDad

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    Holy smokes. Wheeler is good, but not "back up the Brinks and build a team around him" good. And he's also not young, as PSK notes.

    It looks like they still have quite a bit of cap room, but that's a lot of pretty good RFA's to try to get signed.They probably should have saved some of that money for Laine, who appears to be the real deal, to me at least.
     
  4. veritas

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    It's probably fair market value for Wheeler, which means it's a bad deal. He was easily a $10m/y player the past three seasons. But the deal starts when he's 33 and he's coming off a significantly down year across the board (except for a ridiculous 34 power play assists, which more than doubled his career high and led the league). Most forwards decline rapidly between 33 and 37. I'd be very uneasy giving this contract to Bergeron if his deal was expiring after this season, and Bergeron is likely a more valuable player.
     
  5. Greg29fan

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  6. AMcGhie

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    Vegas got Tatar for a 2018 1st, 2019 2nd and 2021 at the deadline. Given that value, I can see him being the key piece with Suzuki being the high value (2017 13th overall) prospect going along.
     
  7. cshea

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    Tatar is a cap dump, Suzuki is the prize. Montreal did well here.
     
  8. NYCSox

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    Yeah that's more than I would have expected for a rental.
     
  9. cshea

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    Paciorrety signs a 4-year, $7 mm AAV extension with Vegas.
     
  10. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    ~$800k savings living in and playing half his games in Nevada for his $5m salary, prorated to $7m that jumps to $1.12m

    https://www.capfriendly.com/post_tax_calculator/max-pacioretty

    I don't think this takes into account the 50% home tax rate, 50% distributed-across-away-games, so the real savings is likely lower, but nonetheless - extremely reasonable term and $$ for him for Pacioretty from the Vegas side
     
  11. veritas

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    It’s a much more reasonable extension than Wheeler’s. I’m guessing the general terms were worked out before the trade. I’d be shocked if Vegas made that deal without knowing what it’d take to re sign him
     
  12. cshea

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    Let’s check in on the Ottawa Senators:

     
  13. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I implore people to listen to the very start of the video for the "hahaha, anyway..."

    All that aside, this is one of the most insane videos I've ever seen, and a cringe-inducing attempt at spin management ahead of Karlsson getting moved.

    End of the video sums it up: "You get excited because (the young players) are excited, gets me excited, gets all of our fans excited, and our sponsors. So it's gonna work out! I think we're looking forward to a great, great coming year, I really think that the fans are going to be supportive. We've got some great fans, these are great, great hockey fans, great sponsors, and we just gotta give them the hope that they know, that we know what we're doing, and that translates into the team knowing what they're doing and putting some wins together. Shooting for the Stanley Cup! No less."
     
  14. cshea

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    Whoa, Stevie Y stepping down in Tampa.

     
  15. PedroSpecialK

    PedroSpecialK Comes at you like a tornado of hair and the NHL sa Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Hope that's nothing family related, seems extremely sudden.

    Ottawa at around 22% capacity on season ticket sales, with a bunch of those being Melnyk's sponsors I'm sure

     
  16. veritas

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    More Ottawa news:



    (Dellow used to be a lawyer fwiw)
     
  17. veritas

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    Here's the article:

    https://theathletic.com/518822/2018...nd-melinda-karlsson-going-to-court-on-friday/

    Sorry it's behind a paywall. It's pretty long and I don't have time to sufficiently summarize all of it, but it does a really good job of summarizing a bunch of legal aspects of the case. Basically Caryk is filing a claim for Karlsson to disclose any evidence to why she believes Caryk is responsible for the online harassment. Caryk swears under oath that she isn't responsible and is demanding the information to clear her name.

    IMO Karlsson's wife does not come across well here and Hoffman's wife does. Karlsson's lawyer also can't write for shit.
     
  18. MiracleOfO2704

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    The SJHL’s Humboldt Broncos are in the first period of their first game since the accident. The pre-game moment of silence was tough to watch.
     
  19. cshea

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    Seguin about to get PAID

     
  20. PedroSpecialK

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    8 years, $10m+ according to Lawton

    Godspeed with that one
     
  21. RedOctober3829

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    Almost $80 million for Seguin is an extreme haul. I'll take the deal with Pastrnak any day of the week over this one.
     
  22. cshea

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    UFA vs. RFA deal though.

    Anyways, this is amazing:

     
  23. cshea

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    Elsewhere, sounds like Karlsson’s getting traded today. SJS in the lead.

     
  24. veritas

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    Burns and Karlsson on the same team would be wild. SJ vs Toronto would probably break records on the Vegas O/U
     
  25. cshea

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    I can’t really figure out what SJS would give up. They don’t really have a great farm system. I guess Timo Meirer would probably go, but I don’t know what else. They don’t have much that I’d be enthusiastic about acquiring.

    Edit: they also don’t have a first round pick
     
  26. cshea

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    Sounds done/close to done.

     
  27. veritas

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  28. veritas

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    San Jose is really going all in on the next few seasons. They’re going to be crippled after 4-5 years when their core is in their mid-late 30’s and still on high money long term deals. Assuming extending Karlsson is part of this
     
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  31. kenneycb

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    So a couple of established, okay NHLers, a couple of okay prospects, and a couple of what will presumably be late round draft picks. Not great.
     
  32. RedOctober3829

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    It is not. Huge price to pay for possibly 1 year of Kaarlson.

    Also it looks like the Senators protected themselves from another Mike Hoffman situaiton.

    "Interesting condition on Karlsson trade: If he appears on the reserve list of any Eastern Conference team this season, SJ must send another first-round pick to OTT by 2022.

    Call that the Mike Hoffman Clause."

     
  33. cshea

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    There’s another conditional pick in there if SJS signs him.

    I don’t think that is a great return even if it is treated as a rental. Paciorrety arguably brought a better return.
     
  34. TheRealness

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    So, it is ok now if I don't hand Tampa the division crown just yet? Are we done handwringing over that? Great.

    Feel badly for the folks in Ottawa. They continue to underwhelm. Wonder how long it will be until they are moved to Quebec City. Great deal for San Jose though. They seem like favorites in the West now.
     
  35. veritas

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    Sharks prospect report had these players as 3 and 4 in their system:

    https://theathletic.com/471198/2018/08/15/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-17-san-jose-sharks/

    For context they were given the same "LEGIT NHL PROSPECT" ranking as Bruins' prospects UV, Studnicka, JFK, and Frederic
     
  36. cshea

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    FWIW, Pronman didn’t have either in his top 100 overall.
     
  37. mikeford

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    Adam Larsson fetched a better return than Erik Karlsson

    What a world
     
  38. veritas

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    JG Pageau torn achillies. Ottawa is definitely not going to be good next season

     
  39. cshea

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    The Colorado Avalanche are the true winners of the day.
     
  40. veritas

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    And the Atlantic division, which could be historically lopsided this season
     
  41. kenneycb

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  43. BigMike

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    Yeah Ottawa and Montreal are going to be just awful.
     
  44. AMcGhie

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    Top: BOS, TB, TOR
    Mid: FLA, BUF
    BOTTOM: OTT, MON, DET

    I can see 3 hundred point teams, 3 50 point teams, and 2 teams that fight for the WC. Really think there's going to be clear separation between those 3 groups quickly.
     
  45. kenneycb

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    I’m not sure I see Buffalo doing anything. They have a good first line but they’re relying on a bunch of kids and middling vets otherwise. Their D has potential but I doubt Dahlin will come in and light the league up as a rookie. And their goalie situation is a certified dumpster fire.
     
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  47. cshea

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    I’d probably tier the Atlantic:

    Good: Tampa, Toronto, Boston, Florida
    Year away: Buffalo
    Bad: Detroit, Montreal
    Tire fire: Ottawa

    I wouldn’t sleep on Florida. They have some great players and were one of the best teams in the second half of last season. Added Hoffman to a very good forward group, and they also have a promising rookie in Borgstrom.

    Buffalo has much improved depth. G is a concern, Hutton as a starter is unknown. I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility they push for a playoff spot if Dahlin hits the ground as a #1 and a difference maker right off the bat, as well as Mittlestadt playing a capable #2 C role.
     
  48. veritas

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    I think there could be 4 100 point teams, I wouldn't sleep on Florida either. They had 96 points last season and added Hoffman.

    I also think the 4 worst teams in the league could be in the division, although they get to play each other a bunch so they probably won't finish last in points.

    Buffalo losing ROR is huge. They were the worst team in the league last season and lost their best player. Skinner and Dahlin probably replace his value, I'm just not seeing where they got significantly better.

    Detroit and Montreal were also pretty awful last season and lost their best players.

    Ottawa is Ottawa.
     
  49. LogansDad

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    Damn, this sucks. 37 years old.
     
  50. cshea

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    Funny how this sort of thing happens when he goes from making $7 million to $3.3 million (and then a million each in the followinf 3 years). He played 82 games each of the last 3 seasons.
     

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