almost everyone here has said that this decision makes no sense. Quote some posters that are saying otherwise.Agree 100%. The blind devotion to B.B. here is embarrassing. Great coach. May have cost the pats the super bowl here.
They have had disputes over money with tons of players during BB’s tensure. They let guys walk, with Deion Branch they even let him go out and find himself a better deal (and then took him back years later).Come on they've been fighting over money for two years. Have you ever been in a workplace with a contract dispute? This happens all the time.
This, the only thing Jordan Richards has done in 2+ years is make people forget about Tavon Wilson, if both are FA tomorrow 31 teams are lining up to sign Butler, Richards, ehh not so muchThis team doesn't owe me anything. I know that with the way that press vultures around them and the way the league has been at times, they are going to be guarded and tight lipped.
But, hell, man -- there are people like us out her who fall in love with these guys, who care, who are the reason this sport exists. I don't mind when Belichick is surly with the press, or guarded, but at some point I do think they act as though we're not even out here. That somehow this only matters to them, not to us. This is just a shitty thing to say. If you want to say, "I'm not going to talk about it," then at least man up and do it that way.
Packages? Man, there people out here who really care about this. Don't insult us too.
And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.almost everyone here has said that this decision makes no sense. Quote some posters that are saying otherwise.
If this is true why would Butler not come in to start the second half when it was very clear that Rowe was not the answer?
That's just the thing. If he was going to be that far out of the picture, then why on earth watse a roster spot on him.Why dress him if he’s not going to play? And how does Bademosi get on the field before Butler?
Coaching staff couldn’t recognize it. Hence the reason they got way out coached tonightIf this is true why would Butler not come in to start the second half when it was very clear that Rowe was not the answer?
He played on special teams, that's why.That's just the thing. If he was going to be that far out of the picture, then why on earth watse a roster spot on him.
Well your own theory is basically moronic.You have no idea if this is true. Zero.
They shifted Browner onto Matthews and put Butler on the 6'1" Kearse, for the most part.Especially considering how the reason Butler was in position to make a game changing pick in Super Bowl 49 in the first place is because he was brought in to replace Arrington, who was struggling to cover 6'5 Chris Matthews. Unless he murdered a member of Bill's immediate family, it's ridiculous that he wasn't given a chance to step in.
BSCoaching staff couldn’t recognize it. Hence the reason they got way out coached tonight
I think that makes BB look even worse. If Rowe was not the answer why not adjust with Butler?And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.
Yes, it's crazy to think BB thought he was giving his team the best chance to win, in his opinion. So moronic.Well your own theory is basically moronic.
This is where I'm at. I think it's frankly obvious that it is what it is. I don't think BB is going to get run out of town over it. Whatever happened, I do have faith that he does what he thinks is right. Last time he did what he thought was right with Butler, it won the Super Bowl. I'll still put my money down on his gut feeling any day. Every once in a while, it's not going to work out.Belli’s Ego has won us much more than it has lost us...this move screams ego...surely some defense, I’m betting Butler did something, but I expect Belli’s ego made this an over reaction.
Have you ever had a fucking job? Because judging by some of your idiotic posts I've bitten my tongue to not comment on since you've been posting on this site I really do wonder. The contract thing has obviously been an issue and something happened this week that stemmed from that. And they probably lost a super bowl over it. The manager (in this case B.B.) should follow his own lecture about doing what best for the team and play the best players. Instead of sitting a key guy because he has a beef with him. That's what shitty managers do (trust me I've worked for a lot of them) and B.B. Is not usually a shitty manager but he fucked up tonight.They have had disputes over money with tons of players during BB’s tensure. They let guys walk, with Deion Branch they even let him go out and find himself a better deal (and then took him back years later).
Name me one time they have sat a guy to prove they can win without him? It makes zero fucking sense. Prove to who?
They clearly got out coached. Coaches can have really bad days, happens all the time against the patriots. Bill isn’t immune to sucking it upBS
If we can see it they can see it, they aren't idiots.
There is a reason, I don't have a clue as to what it is.
And more and more like a poor game plan and inability (unwillingness) to adjust to on-the-field circumstances.So we already have had some misinformation dispelled — Rowe DID practice with 1s all week.
So it seems less and less that this was a missed flight, a late arrival or some other disciplinary matter.
Yeah, OK, sounds good but this thinking is fucking idiotic as the game goes on.And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.
Which — again — suggests it is not a disciplinary matter.He played on special teams, that's why.
I don't think Rowe was terrible and understand wanting to use bigger CB against PHI big WR but don't try to sell me that butler is worse than Richards in any situation. Richards is a poor man's Tavon and contributed heavily to the loss.And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.
Yeah.. I just don't see how having a guy play all year and then changing it up in the championship game even with two weeks of practice is a decision that can be justified. I personally don't think it's the reason they lost.. I think if one holding call was made early the line play would've been more fair and there would've been a lot more pressure on Foles. Just a number of things fell into place tonite.. and Philly benefitted or made all of the plays they needed too. (Thinking on it now.. the Foles TD clearly should've come back.. the Clement one I can accept).And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.
At most, that explains why Butler was demoted to third corner. They intentionally put together a 100% Butler-free defensive plan. Something they could have been doing for months if they really thought 4-safety looks with Richards were a good idea. If BB thinks Bademosi is a better CB than Butler, then BB should not have waited until the SB to play him ahaed of Butler. It's bad either way you look at it.And just to clarify my position,I don't understand the decision either. I am pushing back on the claims that the move was made due to ego, discipline, arrogance, or stuff along that lines. I believe the move was made because for whatever reason they thought Rowe was a better matchup out there. Not because they were trying to prove some sort of point.
Richards is terrible. I simply don't know the reasoning for the personnel decisions. What I am saying is that the ONLY reason I believe they made the moves they did is because.....they thought it was their best chance of winning the game. It sure looks like a mistake in judgement now, but I am extremely skeptical it's any more complicated than that.I don't think Rowe was terrible and understand wanting to use bigger CB against PHI big WR but don't try to sell me that butler is worse than Richards in any situation. Richards is a poor man's Tavon and contributed heavily to the loss.
In relation to his backups? Light years better. In relation to Gilmore, not as good. It was foolish to think benching him was in the interest of the team. Unforgivable when it was proven countless times in the gameWas Butler that good this year? He seemed excellent to me last year, but I recall being frustrated with him at times this season.
The other thing is that the Eagles give the ball to Jeffery, Ertz, Agholor and their RB's. The only one of those guys Butler can realistically cover is Jeffery, but Jeffery is so huge they probably wanted bigger backs to cover him.
Jeffery had a really good game but the three balls he took in were perfect throws from Foles. I don't think Butler does better than the guys they had in there.
All this to say that it isn't completely insane to me that Butler would be out of the game plan.
Bill will give us nothing and some people will say he must've had a good reason and shouldn't be questioned.Yeah, I just don't understand the decision not to play him AT ALL. I totally understand if they thought he had a bad week in practice, or he missed time with sickness and they thought he wasn't 100% up to speed on the game plan, or they keyed on something on film that made them think Rowe would be better.
But when the defense was a tire fire all game, why wouldn't you start him in the second half? Or fuck at least in the 4th quarter? Obviously what they were doing wasn't working and it's such an un-Belichick-like move to rigidly stick to a game plan that is not working. Just makes no sense and as much as I'm usually amused by Belichick's stony demeanor he really has some explaining to do.
Why wouldn't he match up on Agholor?The other thing is that the Eagles give the ball to Jeffery, Ertz, Agholor and their RB's. The only one of those guys Butler can realistically cover is Jeffery, but Jeffery is so huge they probably wanted bigger backs to cover him.
Do you think the Eagles OL was holding a lot more than the Patriots OL?Yeah.. I just don't see how having a guy play all year and then changing it up in the championship game even with two weeks of practice is a decision that can be justified. I personally don't think it's the reason they lost.. I think if one holding call was made early the line play would've been more fair and there would've been a lot more pressure on Foles. Just a number of things fell into place tonite.. and Philly benefitted or made all of the plays they needed too. (Thinking on it now.. the Foles TD clearly should've come back.. the Clement one I can accept).
I think they did get outcoached, Pederson really impressed me and did a great job. But to say that they didn't realize that the guy that played 98% of snaps all year would give them a better chance over Bademosi is far beyond what I am willing to agree to. They knew that, you knew that, I knew that, there is a reason they didn't use him. Maybe it was a good reason but it wasn't because they didn't think of using him.They clearly got out coached. Coaches can have really bad days, happens all the time against the patriots. Bill isn’t immune to sucking it up
He struggled this year, but the coaching staff deemed him good enough to play 98% of the defensive snaps on this team right up until today, when he was apparently deemed not good enough to play a single snap. One way or another, that is idiocy.Was Butler that good this year? He seemed excellent to me last year, but I recall being frustrated with him at times this season.
The other thing is that the Eagles give the ball to Jeffery, Ertz, Agholor and their RB's. The only one of those guys Butler can realistically cover is Jeffery, but Jeffery is so huge they probably wanted bigger backs to cover him.
Jeffery had a really good game but the three balls he took in were perfect throws from Foles. I don't think Butler does better than the guys they had in there.
All this to say that it isn't completely insane to me that Butler would be out of the game plan.
And in the subs how is Bademosi getting snaps over Butler?I think that makes BB look even worse. If Rowe was not the answer why not adjust with Butler?
This is Tony Mazz level trolling. You have no clue whether Butler’s contract situation had anything to do with anything. And I am saying this as someone who thinks it is very strange Butler didn’t play.Have you ever had a fucking job? Because judging by some of your idiotic posts I've bitten my tongue to not comment on since you've been posting on this site I really do wonder. The contract thing has obviously been an issue and something happened this week that stemmed from that. And they probably lost a super bowl over it. The manager (in this case B.B.) should follow his own lecture about doing what best for the team and play the best players. Instead of sitting a key guy because he has a beef with him. That's what shitty managers do (trust me I've worked for a lot of them) and B.B. Is not usually a shitty manager but he fucked up tonight.
One thing I kind of felt tonite was that they weren't gang-tackling quite as well.. seemed to be a little slow on the screens and such.. when a player caught the ball in space they seemed to be one on one much more often.. I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that Butler wasn't playing.. perhaps they were going for bigger hits and trying to slow up bigger receivers with bigger bodies?At most, that explains why Butler was demoted to third corner. They intentionally put together a 100% Butler-free defensive plan. Something they could have been doing for months if they really thought 4-safety looks with Richards were a good idea. If BB thinks Bademosi is a better CB than Butler, then BB should not have waited until the SB to play him ahaed of Butler. It's bad either way you look at it.
Outrageous.I don’t think Rowe practiced with the 1s all week. He told Bedard Butler did.
Sure, BB thought playing Rowe, Bademosi, and Jordan Richards over Butler gave his team the best chance to win. And continued to think that while they got lit up for the entire game.Yes, it's crazy to think BB thought he was giving his team the best chance to win, in his opinion. So moronic.
There's a lot of people here who need to sleep this one off.
I don't think Rowe was terrible and understand wanting to use bigger CB against PHI big WR but don't try to sell me that butler is worse than Richards in any situation. Richards is a poor man's Tavon and contributed heavily to the loss.
SJH, I think you're so far out on the limb on this one, that you can't see the tree. I'll buy that you honestly believe that Bill benched Butler because he thought it gave them the best chance to win. I don't know how you can believe it, but I'll at least give you the benefit of the doubt.Yes, it's crazy to think BB thought he was giving his team the best chance to win, in his opinion. So moronic.
There's a lot of people here who need to sleep this one off.
Exactly ...there is more to the story than simply the coaches deciding their best defensive alignments included Butler standing on the sidelines. We are on the outside looking in. Has to be a lot more to the story.Richards is terrible. I simply don't know the reasoning for the personnel decisions. What I am saying is that the ONLY reason I believe they made the moves they did is because.....they thought it was their best chance of winning the game. It sure looks like a mistake in judgement now, but I am extremely skeptical it's any more complicated than that.
Doesn't Agholor usually line up in the slot?Why wouldn't he match up on Agholor?
I mean, it was a one possession game. It was a strip sack from probably being a Pats win. There was good coaching on both sides and bad coaching on both sides. I don't see any clear outcoaching.They clearly got out coached. Coaches can have really bad days, happens all the time against the patriots. Bill isn’t immune to sucking it up