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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by tims4wins, Feb 4, 2019.
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Turning Point was absolutely amazing.
I totally agree with this take on his pre-game conversation. It was goofy but McVay is sort of a goof ball but obviously a good coach. I wouldn't have thought the game was over if I'd seen that in real time.
One thing that I didn't love was after it became 13-3 when he talked about how they needed FG, on-side kick, TD and he had lots of "good stuff" for Goff. Now, I realize the game is basically over, and the odds of pulling it off are near zero, but still...start from the 25 at 1:12, holding to the 15 , 10 yard inbounds play to the 25 at 1:06, no spike, 24 yard inbounds play to the 49 at 0;45; no spike, incomplete pass at 0:25; 21 yard inbounds pass to the NE 30 at 0:21, now you are in FG range and you spike but only 0:09 left and even if you hit the FG the game is likely over by the time you recover an on-side kick.
It's just clock mismanagement. You need to get to the NE 30 ASAP, so you can only throw sideline passes or home runs. The 10-20 yard middle of the field stuff is death. It just amazes me every time I see this stuff. I mean, it's not McNabb with 46 seconds left, down by three, in the shadow of his own end zone, no timeouts, completing a one-yard pass but still...
I also wonder what people think about the 3rd and 22 backfield pass to Gurley with about 10 minutes left.
Last 2 links seem to be broken... though I've been known to fuck up the simplest if things before, so it could be me.
Edit: Sometimes it's giving me a "this link will be available soon" message, sometimes it's giving me a "not available" message. I'll just assume user error and try again later. Thanks very much for posting all of these, in any case!
I think the whole goal there has to be getting one chance at a game tying Hail Mary, which means using the middle of the field if they are covering the sidelines. I thought they did it right but just didn’t have enough time by ten seconds. The hold and incompletion was what it made it impossible. Hard to criticize too much on choices between terrible options.
The 3d and 22 was surprising. Maybe they saw something that made them think it had a chance and wasn’t just a surrender like it looked. Remember when Carolina ran in an obvious passing situation against us in the Super Bowl and got a field goal out of it? Maybe the Rams saw something but it was a mirage?
Otherwise though I would always just chuck it 50 yards in that spot if I didn’t have a 20 yard play. If it gets picked it’s like a punt and maybe you get lucky with a catch or PI. At that point it was a field position game, though, and I can see the logic in trying to get a few more yards for the best punter in the league.
They uploaded, but they're still converting on Vimeo. Hopefully done in the next hour or so.
That Cooks play in the end zone that McCourty broke up was really something special. That said, Cooks really has to pull that ball in. McCourty was a little too late there, Cooks could have easily secured that before it got punched out.
Tom Brady is the GOAT and Cooks is the goat, for two straight super bowls.
At least on the first drop the ball was thrown late, high, and wobbly.
The second one was a great throw. But yeah, you pay a receiver $80 million to go get those. I'd bet on Antonio Brown on both of those plays.
It was wobbly af. But Cooks had two hands ON the ball before McCourty got there. I'm not trying to belittle McCourty's defense there, it was incredible, but Cooks really has to make that catch.
Yep, they're there now. Got too excited and jumped the gun. Par for the course.
Could be a strength thing. On inside the NFL, Michael Irvin and Brandon Marshall came to an agreement that the ball in the end zone was a 50 50 ball to catch because Gilmore had his hand into Cooks and was keeping him from getting both hands on the ball. But Irvin said still, for himself it was 80 20 and he was jumping up and down about it. He said Marshall would be 80 20 also. Could be Cooks doesn’t have the arm and hands strength of dudes like Irvin and Marshall. Antonio Brown isn’t much bigger than Cooks, but I’d bet on him too.
Cooks simply doesn’t fight hard enough for the ball. Didn’t in NE last year, didn’t on Sunday. Fair or unfair he now has two fanbases blaming him for a lost title.
If Cooks seems like he has control, could McCourty just carry him out the back of the endzone (it's more elegant than pushing) and negate the touchdown?
Yes but if you carry him out of the end zone and drop him in the Salvation Army kettle you might get a fine.
Well put. McVay is getting criticism for being polite and respectful. His postgame comments on getting outcoached seem to be making the moment about himself only in the best way -- taking the heat off his team and onto himself. Goff could've gotten heat for throwing so many wobblers, his OL could've been criticized for allowing so much pressure to what was considered an unremarkable front seven, the WRs for not getting open and particularly Cooks for his stone hands...but McVay said the big problem was the coaching.
I'd love to play for a guy like McVay. Now I'd love to play for BB more... but I'm hoping McVay remains humble and has a great career.
Even if he secured it, McCourty pushed him OB. That was entirely on Goff.
The 2nd one Cooks needed to catch.
I really can't get behind criticism of a post-Super Bowl interview. Losing the Super Bowl must have been like getting his heart ripped out, and he still showed up in front of the press, maintained his composure, and gave a fairly candid and coherent interview.
Even the basic sentiment of his comment echoes something that Belichick repeats often, "Players win games and coaches lose them."
McVay may deserve some criticism for a lot of what happened that night but the interview shouldn't be included that list.
I'm going to sound like McVay here, but this board is GOLD for being a single source distillation of analysis and video for the teams we love. Amazing work from all of you!!
This was exactly the same read I had on him as well. You’re not way off.
It was interesting to see Cooks after the game call Mccourty "Sir" several times. He may have not have been a great fit here, but he definitely respects the organization.
McVay had the thousand yard stare late on this game.
He’ll be fine, and I can understand him rolling into this game on a confidence high, but I think he got a unexpected serving of humble pie.
Bill has simply been around the block 743568 more times than him, and he’d be the first guy to say that he was in McVay’s shoes early in his career.
I don’t know. I watched “the two Bills” this week and it had a reasonable amount of sideline shots of Belichick coaching the Giants defense. He looked the same as we’ve seen with the Patriots. Proactive, very seriously telling a few guys at a time what he wanted them to do. No cheerleading. Same guy.
Big FWIW though. Maybe McVay will turn out OK.
Agreed on the first. The second was a great throw, with great defense, and only a great catch would have completed the play. Running full speed with Gilmore tugging on his arm and about to get decked by Harmon, it would have been a great catch. Irvin probably makes that catch, but he's a HOF'er who made big catches in traffic. Someone mentioned Antonio Brown because he's the same size and profile as Cooks, but Brown is the most prolific receiver of the decade, he's made 6 straight pro bowls and is a 4 time all pro receiver. Maybe he makes that catch because he's been on the short list for best receiver in the league for the last 5 years. That's just not who Cooks is, and I have a hard time blaming a guy for not making a catch that he's not normally going to make. He's a solid level below the first tier of receivers, and I think only that first tier can be relied on to make that catch.
Let me put it this way, he finished with 8 catches for 120 yards (Goff only had 109 yards passing to other Rams). If he makes either one of those catches and the Rams win, he's the SB MVP. The first play was on Goff, the second is only on him if you think he's the type of receiver who can make the biggest play in the game. The only player on either team who makes that catch yesterday was Gronk. Cooks isn't good enough to be the SB MVP, that play isn't on him either.
Cooks had 2 hands on the first ball and didn’t come down with it. He is 100% the Rams goat of the game. If the Pats still had Cooks and had lost in similar fashion we’d never forgive him. Worse than Welker in XLVI.
At least the Patriots didn't give a first round pick and a cap-killing contract for Reche Caldwell.
Well, Goff was terrible, as was their OL. Cooks was their best player on offense.
As was Welker in XLII (Pats best player). We still won’t ever forgive him.
I don't think JMac got there too late. Cooks was going to be hard-pressed to get two feet down because the throw was so bad it was at the edge of the end zone. I really think JMac was just pushing him OOB more than the pass brekaup.
McVay is already ok. He took a team to the playoffs in his first season and to the Super Bowl in his second season. He's 33 years old and Goff isn't exactly the best QB in the league, either. The Rams did have a lot of talent this year, but McVay still got the job done. Jeff Fisher certainly didn't.
Some good stuff here from Breer about the role Hoyer (and Peyton!) played in helping them prepare:
A rare appearance by NE special teamers not named Slater (featuring Brandon King, Jonathan Jones, and "Mo Bamba":
An accurate summary as far as it goes, but they also said Cooks used the wrong technique to attempt that catch.
I’ll have to look at it again. Oh yeah, Marshall said because Gilmore was holding Cooks’ left arm, he should have tried to catch it one handed (right hand/arm). I thought Gil’s hand was in and out if there and maybe not holding Cooks when the ball arrived. Will look again.
Edit, Gilmore’s hand was in there kind of holding Cooks’ left arm (kind of hidden by the bodies). Cooks got his left hand on it first but couldn’t reel it in. Great play by Gilmore and we’ll never know if Irvin/Marshall would have caught it.”
Actually, got his right hand on it first.
I love that in his press conference, after winning the Super Bowl MVP, Edelman describes the job of a WR as to "get open and catch the ball, and block in the run game." Not many Super Bowl MVP WRs would talk about blocking after the highlight of their professional career.
We do know though that Brandon Lafell catches it on the exact same play but with his left hand against his body! Of course, Harmon closed better than the Batlimore safety did. But the plays are really close, right down to the arm bar.
And here's another one-hander by a receiver of far less pedigree than Cooks has, posted mostly for fun because of the corner he beats.
Edit: Actually on the TD in the Baltimore game, Brady throws a flatter ball than Goff did to Cooks and that keeps the safety off the play just long enough.
Underrated part of Mic'd Up: at ~28:10, Edelman avoids an out-of-bounds punt and a skirmish ensues with Slater. Edelman walks away with a Ram saying "let's just keep walking away. Who's that, Slater? He's a reverend, too."
Man LaFell did more in the playoffs than Welker ever did
Hour and 20 minute season recap video
For context: When Bill was hired by the Giants, he already had 8 years of NFL coaching experience (1975-1983). By the time he left the Giants he had 15 (1990).
This is McVay's 11th year of coaching professionals. 3 years as an assistant (The last in Washington), 3 years WAS tight ends, 3 years WAS OC, now 2 years LAR HC. He's young by NFL head coach standards, but he's not inexperienced by any stretch.
Yeah he has more pro coaching experience than McDaniels did when he was hired by Denver: McDaniels was with the Pats from 2001-2008, which was his only pro coaching experience. He was also 33 when Denver hired him.
He was a fantastic player for the Pats for a while, but the postseason stuff will lead to most fans favoring Edelman over him forever.
Brief review: To be fair he was one of the better players on offense in XLII. Tore his ACL in week 17 09. Got suspended for the 1st part of the DR vs NYJ due to the foot comments, but I don't remember him (or anyone) having an outsized impact on that game on offense. Rather pedestrain (for him) 2011 playoffs before the overthrow/drop in XLVI...which I mean he probably needs to catch. And then while the counting stats are great in the 2012 playoffs he had a semi-enormous drop in the 2nd half vs. Baltimore () that really started the avalanche in that game. To be fair he had a huge catch up the seam on that same drive and may have been concussed by none other then Bernard Pollard, but still.
Welker averaged 76.2 yards per game in the playoffs with the Pats ... compared to 80.2 in the regular season. He couldn't haul in a key pass at the worst time and had the misfortune of his tenure largely overlapping with the worst defenses of the Brady / Belichick era.
Agreed. Welker gets suuuuuuch a raw deal. Yes, he probably should've caught The Pass, but it wasn't a great throw, and he was a RIDICULOUSLY productive player for the Patriots. Slightly less so in the playoffs, but he was pretty damn good there too.
Yup. Before SB 42 turned into a fucking David Tyree abortion, Welker was on the way to an MVP performance with 11 catches for 103 yards. At the very least, he was in the conversation.
And Brady’s pass sucked. Welker should have caught it. But the pass blew.
Entire season of Inside the NFL highlights. This is fantastic.
The pass was fine. A safety was closing in on Welker from the right and Brady didn’t want him to get murdered. Welker catches it 95% of the time, that was on him.
Updated Master List...
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Super Bowl LIII - Inside The NFL
Super Bowl LIII - Mic'd Up
Super Bowl LIII - Turning Point
Super Bowl LIII - NFL Films Presents - Super Bowl Recap
Super Bowl LIII - New England Patriots Victory Parade
Super Bowl LIII - New England Patriots vs Los Angeles Rams (FULL GAME)
2018/19 - AFC Championship - New England Patriots @ Kansas City Chiefs (FULL GAME)
2018/19 - New England Patriots - ALL Regular & Postseason Inside the NFL Highlights
Nah, the pass was off line and made Welker adjust too much. Still should have had it but Brady made Welker work. I’m as big of a Brady fanboy as one can be. Hell, my dog is named Brady...about as cliche as it gets. But he owns half the blame for that play.