I never noticed how many blocks he gets as a guard. D Wade was really good at that too.Well at least we kept him and got rid of Thybulle.
He made Cam Reddish his bitch the other night blocking two of his jumpers. One completely caught Cam off guard as he (thought he) had created space with his dribble…….which he did but that didn’t prevent Thybuille from knocking it off his shooting hand on the release. If this kid ever had a more complete game wow.I never noticed how many blocks he gets as a guard. D Wade was really good at that too.
at 20 minutes per. I know all the flaws with Per 36, but he's at 1.7 blocks/36 for his career.Very early but 1.5 blocks a game from a guard is nuts. He is almost 1 a game for his career.
Excluding the players with tiny sample sizes (less than 300 minutes), the only players that have blocked 3 pointers at a higher rate than TL are Thybulle and Chris Boucher (TL is 3rd each of the last two years behind those guys).I want to see 3pters blocked as a new stat. My eyes say Timelord is the best big at it.
Spud Webb had 111 career blocks. Muggsy Bogues 38.Excluding the players with tiny sample sizes (less than 300 minutes), the only players that have blocked 3 pointers at a higher rate than TL are Thybulle and Chris Boucher (TL is 3rd each of the last two years behind those guys).
Don’t make me do this.I wnonder how many of Spud Webb's blocks were of Muggsy Bogues.
They generally give him the toughest wing assignments, including when he checked Durant a lot in last year's playoffs. The fluidity he moves with is really impressive. Missed him a lot in that first half against Dallas. At least this is hopefully just sickness, and not yet another injury.The video below is why RL will be a 10-year NBA player so long as he stays healthy. As the tweet says, probably the best switch for the Cs thus far. Will also note that NBA.com had RL holding the HEat to 1 FG in 8 attempts where he was the defender, 0-6 on 3PA.
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the flu is going around the Cs locker room.The talent is clearly there BUT at what point do we get concerned about him being out for games here and there, without a specific cause?
Something isn't adding up. He should have been pumped to play with Jaylen out and the minutes/role he played in the Miami win.
A bunch of us have been worried about it for awhile and think you can't really count on him to be available.The talent is clearly there BUT at what point do we get concerned about him being out for games here and there, without a specific cause?
Something isn't adding up. He should have been pumped to play with Jaylen out and the minutes/role he played in the Miami win.
They were just in Florida so kind of.the flu is going around the Cs locker room.
And some colleges in FL (obviously not related but this flu season is going to be a problem I think).
Well yeah many 10 year vets and NBA all-stars best highlight from a six-game stretch was playing decent help-side D. I am more inclined to think if he keeps shooting 40 from 3 he will last.The video below is why RL will be a 10-year NBA player so long as he stays healthy. As the tweet says, probably the best switch for the Cs thus far. Will also note that NBA.com had RL holding the HEat to 1 FG in 8 attempts where he was the defender, 0-6 on 3PA.
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He's going to get paid if he's hitting 40% of his 3s. Most players stick around nowadays with roster sizes being 15+2 as well. I'm guessing he will as well, even if he is a below average shooter.Well yeah many 10 year vets and NBA all-stars best highlight from a six-game stretch was playing decent help-side D. I am more inclined to think if he keeps shooting 40 from 3 he will last.
To me the only questions are his health. He’s already a rotation player in this year with the makeup for being a strong complimentary player in the James Posey mold. Those are the type of minutes, role and production I see for him. I feel his floor is high to where he’s going to make it long term in the league yet low enough to where he’s never going to be a star due to his non-star skill set. The kid is going to make a good living if he isn’t shown to be made of glass and yes I’m aware that the jury is still out on that.He's a hard one to project. At least for me and how I project players.
Yeah, I just like to see growth that isn't related to the eyeball. If he's shooting 35%+ from 3 on a decent sample size later in the year, that qualifies.To me the only questions are his health. He’s already a rotation player in this year with the makeup for being a strong complimentary player in the James Posey mold. Those are the type of minutes, role and production I see for him. I feel his floor is high to where he’s going to make it long term in the league yet low enough to where he’s never going to be a star due to his non-star skill set. The kid is going to make a good living if he isn’t shown to be made of glass and yes I’m aware that the jury is still out on that.
Posey also entered the league at 23. Romeo entered at 19/20. Posey is still 10 months older than Romeo when he made his debut.James Posey was 6'8 and a starter his first 7 years in the league. He was a 6-7 rebound/36 minutes guy. He was physical and often much bigger than the guys he guarded, though he was big and tough enough to guard 4s, back when guys like KG and Leon Powe were 4s. There are many bench defence first guys Romeo may model but Posey was a physical beast compared to Romeo. Posey was starter stopper quality and that he was off the bench was one reason that team was stacked. He was regarded as one of the best defender in the game at his peak. It is an insult to him to be compared to a guy trying to get burn on, lets be honest, a mediocre team. A bench 3 and D guys was what he was at the end of his career to get a ring.
Most players grow as players and very few come into the league ready to play at 19/20. Posey spent 3 years in college, Langford 1.. If you want to act like that doesn't play a huge part in Posey being a starter right out of the gate, that's fine.So Romeo is going to grow?
Also, these age arguments are hollow. Everyone entered the league older then, younger now.
I was referring to projected role and production…..not necessarily exact measurements.So Romeo is going to grow?
Also, these age arguments are hollow. Everyone entered the league older then, younger now.
In those days the Jayhawks or Blue Devils discussion group would be discussing the oft-injured bust that was Romeo Langford, and nobody would be wasting a 1st on him, or assigning irrational hopes of him becoming a guy too big for Kobe to post up.
Posey started right out of the gate bc he was 23, joined a 14-36 team, and replaced Bryant Stith in the starting lineup. Had he played two more years at Indiana and been drafted in the 1st Round by OKC I’m guessing he’d be starting as well.Most players grow as players and very few come into the league ready to play at 19/20. Posey spent 3 years in college, Langford 1.. If you want to act like that doesn't play a huge part in Posey being a starter right out of the gate, that's fine.
I'll choose to acknowledge the HUGE difference even if I don't like Romeo Langford.
I reject your premise. There is no replacing Bryant Stith!I was referring to projected role and production…..not necessarily exact measurements.
Posey started right out of the gate bc he was 23, joined a 14-36 team, and replaced Bryant Stith in the starting lineup. Had he played two more years at Indiana and been drafted in the 1st Round by OKC I’m guessing he’d be starting as well.
It's because there's no real young talent on the team, at least that isn't established (Tatum, RWill). Brown is no longer under 25.Amazing the amount of virtual ink spilled here for a less than mediocre mid first round pick whose shown pretty much nothing other than promise to date. the player does have good defensive instincts (comparing him to Posey is absurd), is moderately athletic and can take the ball to the hoop at times. So far, he's a shit offensive player, cannot shoot (yet), isn't a defensive stopper in any meaningful way and has yet to play consistent minutes, ever, for a team that is good, not great. He's also appears to be made of balsa wood (yes, yes, I know, bad luck, he's young, etc.).
I like Romeo and hope he meets the expectation of what many here see for him, but for the love of Pete!
Fair. And I love the optimism. But someone once said in another context that hope is not a strategy. Likewise, projection is not a substitute for real, empirical evidence of having game. To date, Romeo has demonstrated very little game beyond limited spurts of production which does not set him apart from 90% of the other 7-12 players on benches in the League.It's because there's no real young talent on the team, at least that isn't established (Tatum, RWill). Brown is no longer under 25.
It is kind of crazy though. You can throw Aaron Nesmith into the same bin, although it's a bit early on him. I wonder what the reaction would be if we had a Jordan Poole or Anfernee Simons. Or Melton.
I think more people agree with you than don't. Or it's close anyway. There's plenty of pessimism to go around too, although I think the pessimism is reality.Fair. And I love the optimism. But someone once said in another context that hope is not a strategy. Likewise, projection is not a substitute for real, empirical evidence of having game. To date, Romeo has demonstrated very little game beyond limited spurts of production which does not set him apart from 90% of the other 7-12 players on benches in the League.
Agree that he's shown mostly promise and that he has promise of being able to take the ball to the hoop.Amazing the amount of virtual ink spilled here for a less than mediocre mid first round pick whose shown pretty much nothing other than promise to date. the player does have good defensive instincts (comparing him to Posey is absurd), is moderately athletic and can take the ball to the hoop at times. So far, he's a shit offensive player, cannot shoot (yet), isn't a defensive stopper in any meaningful way and has yet to play consistent minutes, ever, for a team that is good, not great. He's also appears to be made of balsa wood (yes, yes, I know, bad luck, he's young, etc.).
I like Romeo and hope he meets the expectation of what many here see for him, but for the love of Pete!
Even if you consider two years to be a SSS it isn’t difficult to see the player today, or the player competing in the Nets playoff series as one who has made a significant leap from the one we saw as a rookie who was wandering aimlessly praying that he didn’t have to dribble.I don't begrudge anyone their excitement as RL was one of the top HS players in the country and the best player on that IU team by a long shot, so there's something there of course. But noting that RL was "the Cs best on-ball defender last year" is a beautiful illustration of damning with faint praise. Even if I agree with that (which I do not), you're comparing RL to who exactly? JB, Smart, Kemba, Pritchard, Nesmith, Tatum? I happen to think Tatum and Smart were better than RL last year as on ball defenders (not by much, but when they were focused and put in the effort), but even if they were not, that's not exactly a list of candidates for DPOY.
In any event, we're quibbling now. I really would love for RL to meet the potential others see for him here, and I'm not without hope that he could turn into a substantial contributor. I only take issue with what, IMO, is the crazy optimism based on a laughably SSS to date.
Significant leap from worthless sack of shit as a basketball player (not as a person). But yes, I agree.Even if you consider two years to be a SSS it isn’t difficult to see the player today, or the player competing in the Nets playoff series as one who has made a significant leap from the one we saw as a rookie who was wandering aimlessly praying that he didn’t have to dribble.
Yes exactly. The physical skill was always there and he’s grown a ton as a player to be a rotation guy on a (alledgedly) good team.Significant leap from worthless sack of shit as a basketball player (not as a person). But yes, I agree.
Wait so hypothetical Romeo is healthy in college and a better player than this Romeo? And gets drafted higher?. Had he played two more years at Indiana and been drafted in the 1st Round by OKC I’m guessing he’d be starting as well.
1 - I’m not sure what you’re referring to……he was drafted 14th, Posey 18th.Wait so hypothetical Romeo is healthy in college and a better player than this Romeo? And gets drafted higher?
Also serious question you believe there are places in today's NBA where the real (not hypothetical) version of Romeo is starting?
27-30 is and 19 is nearly 27 yeah.18.7 mpg is now starter minutes.
Romeo sure is polarizing.
He's polarizing because people saying completely reasonable things like "he looks on track to be a rotation player who plays good defense" are constantly derided as homers.18.7 mpg is now starter minutes.
Romeo sure is polarizing.
Or because people say 18.7 minutes is basically starter minutes but sure. Read what HRB wrote and tell me that isn't a homer response. 19 is close to 27? Um, no. It's about 2/3.He's polarizing because people saying completely reasonable things like "he looks on track to be a rotation player who plays good defense" are constantly derided as homers.
I have never said that Romeo will be a franchise-changer, but the level of vitriol towards the guy who's probably the Celtics best young player of the last couple drafts (yes, that's sad) is crazy.
It also sucks that the Celtics couldn't end up with Herro or Haliburton in these last couple drafts, because I'd rather have offense than defense. But shitting on Romeo because of who went just ahead isn't particularly fair.
So in the last two drafts the Cs made - in which they had no pick higher than 14 - they have drafted two rotation players and two people who might be rotation players for lesser teams. Seems to me that is about par for drafting but I haven't kept up with expected draft values studies lately.who's probably the Celtics best young player of the last couple drafts (yes, that's sad) is crazy.
Everyone got a player in 2018.So in the last two drafts the Cs made - in which they had no pick higher than 14 - they have drafted two rotation players and two people who might be rotation players for lesser teams. Seems to me that is about par for drafting but I haven't kept up with expected draft values studies lately.
Add in the draft before that, and you have one starter, two rotation players, and two players that will probably get second contracts. Granted they had an abundance of picks - 14, 26, 30, and 47 / 14, 20, 22, 51 / 27 - but it would seem that in most years, a majority of teams that aren't in top 10 get nothing out of their drafts.
P.S. not trying to turn this into whether DA can draft thread but it's more a question about what's reasonable expectations for a non-top-10 pick draft.
This. It would be one thing if the people hyping/excited about Romeo were limited to what lovegtm said was "he looks on track to be a rotation player who plays good defense" but that is decidedly not what many of the Romeo enthusiasts have been saying. Comparing him to Posey, suggesting he basically plays starter minutes. Sorry, but those are not credible statements, and those making them know it (or should).Or because people say 18.7 minutes is basically starter minutes but sure. Read what HRB wrote and tell me that isn't a homer response. 19 is close to 27? Um, no. It's about 2/3.
Or then you have others comparing Posey starting games right out of the gate as a 22/23 year old college player to Romeo who was 19/20.
Fun times. A lot of the arguments are not reasonable.
Comparing a 19-20 year old making his NBA debut to a 22/23 year old making his NBA debut is a foolish argument either way.This. It would be one thing if the people hyping/excited about Romeo were limited to what lovegtm said was "he looks on track to be a rotation player who plays good defense" but that is decidedly not what many of the Romeo enthusiasts have been saying. Comparing him to Posey, suggesting he basically plays starter minutes. Sorry, but those are not credible statements, and those making them know it.
The two rotation players right now are RL and GW because they are in the rotation.If you don't include Tatum, what team has worse under age 24 talent than the Celtics?