RG3 and Out
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Jimmy G to Cleveland Week 5! Book it!
Seriously though, that sucks. I was rooting for him to be pretty good and stick it to the Redskins.
Seriously though, that sucks. I was rooting for him to be pretty good and stick it to the Redskins.
The Pats could give Jimmy G the Mientkiewicz treatment and trade him while we're playing his future team.
His rookie year was very solid and really entertaining to boot. I thought we had an improved Randall Cunningham in our midst, but alas he's about as tough as an Oreo cookie sitting in milk for an hour.
This is sad.
The League caught up defensively to what RGIII and Kap were doing. That's point 1.
But even if it hadn't, RGIII was never going to be able to sustain that style of play physically. He is not very big and he is susceptible to injury. Which is what led him to flat out tell the Shanahans that he wasn't going to play that way anymore. That's point 2.
So 2012 was not sustainable. And once you get him out of that kind of offense, he is just not a very good QB.
The League caught up defensively to what RGIII and Kap were doing. That's point 1.
But even if it hadn't, RGIII was never going to be able to sustain that style of play physically. He is not very big and he is susceptible to injury. Which is what led him to flat out tell the Shanahans that he wasn't going to play that way anymore. That's point 2.
So 2012 was not sustainable. And once you get him out of that kind of offense, he is just not a very good QB.
Yup. Which makes the Browns look not very smart for taking him.
Too bad though, as mentioned above he was fun to watch in his brief prime.
Any mobile QB in college and high school with aspirations of playing in the NFL should never be allowed to watch RG3 highlights because he managed to do almost everything wrong on a bunch of different occasions. People thought he was the next evolution in QB play but in reality he was just another Vick, a great athlete capable of performing the spectacular but ultimately not a very good QB. If you are a running QB you should emulate Russell Wilson, who didn't/doesn't get nearly the pub that prime RG3 got despite being a significantly better player.
How would him doing well stick it to the Redskins? Clearly he was unable to perform to their expectations and was released to find a better fit. Washington, meanwhile, seems pretty happy with their choice of Cousins.
Without boaring the board with the variety of reasons why he would most likely fail in Cleveland, him getting hurt by not sliding (which was an issue in WAS) I was hoping he could recapture 2012 because that was fun football for a team that has been down for so long.
All that being said, unless something miraculous happens this is probably it for him.
Without boaring the board with the variety of reasons why he would most likely fail in Cleveland, him getting hurt by not sliding (which was an issue in WAS) I was hoping he could recapture 2012 because that was fun football for a team that has been down for so long.
All that being said, unless something miraculous happens this is probably it for him.
I watched about 5 plays of the game - the first one RG3 took a 5 step drop, and as soon as his feet set, one of his lineman was pushed into his legs - he spun off the guy, sidestepped and was hit by another defender. The next play was similar.
Never had a shot.
I think taking RGIII was actually a pretty good move all things considered given the overall strategy of the Jackson/DePodesta regime, which is clearly to build for the long haul.
RGIII had some upside, cost them very little, and can be painlessly ditched after this year, when they'll probably draft at the very top and be positioned to get Watson, Kizer, Kaaya, or whoever else might emerge as a potential top QB prospect.
The Browns may be a joke franchise in the big picture but I don't see much to criticize the new administration about. I'm sure they'll get flack if Wentz has a great year but that was a good trade given the information they had at the time.
I still think the decision to play him injured in the playoffs was a career ender. There is no comparison to the preinjury guy. Perhaps it would have unfolded the exact same way, but he could have had time to learn the position, if he still had his legs.
It makes even less sense given their current starting QB was sitting on the bench. It's not like they had to wheel Curtis Painter out there, Cousins had already shown some flashes, there was zero reason to risk RG3 on that leg.
Being their live, it was even worse than that. Not only were the Eagles in his face all game, it is hard to overstate how "not open" his receivers were and how "not blocking" the guys in the backfield were.
The couple huge Skins fans I know absolutely believe this is the core problem. He injured his leg more badly in the game, lost some agility, got gunshy, and tried to change his game...and that was it. Had he sat out the game, healed....who knows.
The League caught up with his game. Pure and simple. Which is why THE Colin Kap thread is about the national anthem. And why Kap is a backup QB.
He was going to revolutionize the League. So was the fucking Wildcat offense. But Anthony Joseph Sparano III is an offensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings.
Wake up. The gimmicky shit in the NFL lasts about a year. The defensive coordinators are too smart, the defensive players too athletic. Option anyone?
And even if it were sustainable, RGIII was not the guy. He is frail. He had serious injuries in college.
RGIII had a fabulous year. The Shanahans were fucking geniuses. But he did not have the skills to sustain success on the NFL level. He throws a nice long ball but he cannot read defenses. His skills in other fundamentals are way behind the curve. Like footwork -- that basic. No less than Greg Cosell fell on his sword and confessed error.
Let it go.
He was going to revolutionize the League. So was the fucking Wildcat offense. But Anthony Joseph Sparano III is an offensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings.
Wake up. The gimmicky shit in the NFL lasts about a year. The defensive coordinators are too smart, the defensive players too athletic. Option anyone?
And even if it were sustainable, RGIII was not the guy. He is frail. He had serious injuries in college.
RGIII had a fabulous year. The Shanahans were fucking geniuses. But he did not have the skills to sustain success on the NFL level. He throws a nice long ball but he cannot read defenses. His skills in other fundamentals are way behind the curve. Like footwork -- that basic. No less than Greg Cosell fell on his sword and confessed error.
Let it go.
I'll always wonder what would have happened if Shanahan did the right thing and pulled him earlier in that game against Seattle. That was brutal to watch.
I don't think there was much politically that could have been done. RG3 wanted to play and he was in tight with the fantasy GM, err ... owner, which effectively game him more power than the coach. I think Shanahan would have benched if he could have.
I've heard this a lot - but I really don't see any evidence for it. Shanahan's comments at the time made it clear it was his decison - and his contract gave him pretty much full autonomy.
If the Shanahans were such geniuses, why did the trade away such a huge package for someone who you cite as a gimmick and frail? Someone who can't read a defense? If I'm not mistaken, Mike had the GM reigns and made that trade, no? That doesn't sound like a fucking genius to me.
He never should have kept him in that playoff game. All other criticisms on RGIII aside, that was a stupid decision. After that, it's all speculation on what he could have turned into. I generally agree the league would have adapted, but I think he still could have been a top half qb.
That decision was unconscionable. No idea how much it hampered him long term but it was indefensible while it was happening.
It pays to be local. RGIII was Snyder command, not a Shanahan wish. (Just as the Donovan McNabb trade was a Synder command). Why do you think Cousins was drafted behind RGIII after they surrendered so much to get RGIII?
The Shanahans were very gifted in crafting an offense that enabled him succeed out of the gate. But RGIII refused to play it anymore -- and even if he had, people had caught up to it.
I am NOT defending allowing him to play against Seattle, which should be kept separate. Cause if you play the "what if" game with Robert, you send up sounding like Ron Jaworski predicting GOAT status for Colin Kap.
Agreed. I have never felt so sick watching a rival team's QB take hits. It had a "last Boy Scout" feel to it. If Romo comes back before week....8?.....I will probably feel the same way.