That’s the kind of chaos I’m here for.
I’d thought a spring training trade would settle the crunch but this scenario is probably right. Maybe teams plan to firehose a bunch of guys through the DFA process and hope for the best.Shaw and Robles still need to be added as well, so I imagine Garza's already on the chopping block. Maybe DFAing a few players all at once will increase the odds of someone slipping through to an outright assignment?
I'd give Raffy 10/330+ right now, but it's not my money. Maybe the owner would rather have 9 DiekmansHector Gomez is reporting the same thing as Speier now, that our offer to Raffy was too low to warrant further discussion. The same thing was said about JRam on the Guardians and they came to a deal just in time.... there's 24 more hours now with the rainout before the "deadline" ... maybe just wishful thinking from me.
View: https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1511821777118560256?s=20&t=GD7KMdbVYkGaco9ULGCITg
EDIT: Gomez tweeted an hour ago Raffy "deserves" a 10/300 extension. So that's his slant if the other tweet is from Raffy's camp, potentially.
View: https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1511796690482778116
Merloni's proposed offer (8/200 with an opt-out after 5/125) is a reasonable base to build on. If the Sox are anywhere in that ballpark, I'd argue they're on the right track.Hector Gomez is reporting the same thing as Speier now, that our offer to Raffy was too low to warrant further discussion. The same thing was said about JRam on the Guardians and they came to a deal just in time.... there's 24 more hours now with the rainout before the "deadline" ... maybe just wishful thinking from me.
View: https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1511821777118560256?s=20&t=GD7KMdbVYkGaco9ULGCITg
EDIT: Gomez tweeted an hour ago Raffy "deserves" a 10/300 extension. So that's his slant if the other tweet is from Raffy's camp, potentially.
View: https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1511796690482778116
Is it just me, or do the Pirates sign about a half-dozen Jake Marisnicks every season?
Bogaerts signed his current deal at age 26 and it was effectively a seven year deal (6 year extension on top of his existing deal) with a vesting option for year 8. So with his option, he can be a free agent entering his age 30 season or stay on through his age 32 or possibly 33 season.Devers is 25 though, I don’t think an 8 year deal is incredibly appealing for him- I think he should be looking for 10-12 with an opt out after three (and probably other opt outs after that).
Jose Ramirez just signed for 5/124. I agree that looks like the neighborhood for a Devers deal.Merloni's proposed offer (8/200 with an opt-out after 5/125) is a reasonable base to build on. If the Sox are anywhere in that ballpark, I'd argue they're on the right track.
Devers is getting $11M this year, figure a raise next year gets him $18M or so, then let's say he gets $30M a year as a free agent. That's 5/120 before he's 30. 8/225 with the opt-out after year 5 might get it done. If it doesn't, Devers must think he can break all the contract records in free agency. Good luck to him.
I know I should relax but this thing is making me anxious. I wanted him extended yesterday and a year ago.I'd give Raffy 10/330+ right now, but it's not my money. Maybe the owner would rather have 9 Diekmans
Honestly, give him anything short of Trout money or whatever GDP-sized number Juan Soto will get.View: https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1511877100860588047
The initial offer was also reportedly better than the Ramirez deal per Gomez.
No it doesn’t. There is so, so much money available under the tax thresholds.I agree that I think Devers NEEDS to be here for the long haul and it should be just whatever the hell he wants. 4 years from now that insane amount isn't likely too far off from what a DH will be getting if he has to move off 3rd base anyhow.
But that insane amount is absolutely going to mean that Xander will be gone after this season.
Over his last 72 games Devers had a walk rate of 10.7%, which is well above average. I think that’s something he may have figured out last year.Devers is a bad fielder who doesn't walk a ton. He's never been in the top 10 for MVP. He's still young and hopefully getting better, and even if he stays the same he's a very good player, but he is not one of the game's inner circle elite players, not yet anyway. I'd like him to stay, but there is a limit on what I would offer.
This is closer to my position. Would love to have him but no blank check. Much conversation in these threads about moving Devers to 1st / DH in relative near term, which has me contemplate how many $30m years I want to hand out. If he can show up defensively at 3rd this year, as he claims he will, then blank checks (aka 10+ / $300m+) back on the table.Devers is a bad fielder who doesn't walk a ton. He's never been in the top 10 for MVP. He's still young and hopefully getting better, and even if he stays the same he's a very good player, but he is not one of the game's inner circle elite players, not yet anyway. I'd like him to stay, but there is a limit on what I would offer.
"Don’t forget that he’ll also benefit substantially from a shift ban going forward. (Which sets him up for a monster season in his would-be walk year.)"Over his last 72 games Devers had a walk rate of 10.7%, which is well above average. I think that’s something he may have figured out last year.
Don’t forget that he’ll also benefit substantially from a shift ban going forward. (Which sets him up for a monster season in his would-be walk year.)
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Yeah, I'm kind of here. His defense has been below average, with his best feature being his range - however, he's led the league in errors for a third baseman for the past 4 years running. So, I don't know how likely an improvement there is going to be. But it could happen. Otherwise, his option is 1B or DH. He's great with the bat, and had a top 5 season in 2019. But he's not, as you say, inner circle.Devers is a bad fielder who doesn't walk a ton. He's never been in the top 10 for MVP. He's still young and hopefully getting better, and even if he stays the same he's a very good player, but he is not one of the game's inner circle elite players, not yet anyway. I'd like him to stay, but there is a limit on what I would offer.
Sounds good to me. Franchy is crushing the ball, and the sooner he gets promoted again the better. Makes a lot more sense than wasting a roster spot on Ryan Fitzgerald, which some people apparently think is a good idea.I guess that would make sense if you wanted to swap Franchy Cordero for his right handed equivalent.
Do we have any reason to believe that Franchy will work out this time? He hit just as badly when he was called up in July last year after hitting really well in WorcesterSounds good to me. Franchy is crushing the ball, and the sooner he gets promoted again the better. Makes a lot more sense than wasting a roster spot on Ryan Fitzgerald, which some people apparently think is a good idea.
Yeah, you really have to pick your spots with mega deals. If you're where Devers is on the defensive spectrum, the offensive bar is higher than Devers' best season to date. I would not give him, say, the Corey Seager deal (325/10).Yeah, I'm kind of here. His defense has been below average, with his best feature being his range - however, he's led the league in errors for a third baseman for the past 4 years running. So, I don't know how likely an improvement there is going to be. But it could happen. Otherwise, his option is 1B or DH. He's great with the bat, and had a top 5 season in 2019. But he's not, as you say, inner circle.
We have him for his age 25 and 26 seasons, then he's a FA for age 27 in 2024.
So he's coming into his prime. But he may already be there, effectively. Who knows.
I wouldn't back up the truck and pay him guaranteed inner circle money on the bet he'll become inner circle. Or sustain that into his early 30s. It's not a horrible bet, but there's very much a chance he'll end up being grossly overpaid.
To be fair, you've always been a bit. . .optimistic about Cordero's ability to consistently hit a baseball. From May 24 of last year:Sounds good to me. Franchy is crushing the ball, and the sooner he gets promoted again the better. Makes a lot more sense than wasting a roster spot on Ryan Fitzgerald, which some people apparently think is a good idea.
Some of these posts are gonna be pretty funny when Franchy’s hitting 30+ home runs a year for us from the 5-hole next year.
Through May 5: .163 xwOBA, 85.9 mph EV, 40.6 K%, 54.5 GB%
Since May 6: .371 xwOBA, 90.2 mph EV, 28.9 K%, 37.5 GB%
Considering his short spring training (18 PA), it looks like Cordero is pulling out of his post-pandemic early season slump quicker than Renfroe and Dalbec did.
It’s no guarantee, but I think so, yes. His first stint with the Sox fell entirely in the window (4/1-6/21) of pitchers using sticky stuff to get enhanced movement. The second stint was 32 PAs.Do we have any reason to believe that Franchy will work out this time? He hit just as badly when he was called up in July last year after hitting really well in Worcester
True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).To be fair, you've always been a bit. . .optimistic about Cordero's ability to consistently hit a baseball. From May 24 of last year:
Maybe, but Franchy yesterday had a single, two 400 foot outs, and a HR for Worcester.To be fair, you've always been a bit. . .optimistic about Cordero's ability to consistently hit a baseball. From May 24 of last year:
What exactly are you trying to say here, Chawson?True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).
True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).
We must be hanging out with the opposite halves of the fanbase.True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).
I’m not sure what’s confusing.What exactly are you trying to say here, Chawson?
Chavis received 622 PAs. Bloom didn’t give Duran a lot of leash last summer, thankfully, but many posters on this board had convinced themselves he was suddenly a top prospect in baseball and untouchable in deadline deals. Which is silly now that he looks like he could be the second coming of Adam Stern.I also don’t recall much patience for Chavis or Duran, at all. A little more for Dalbec, but only because he hurt he cover off the ball to end 2020.
True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).
The clear inference is that myself and half the board are racists.I’m not sure what’s confusing.
Nope. Not what I said. I said there was a major difference in how the fan base has received Franchy Cordero vs. recent players with similar high-K% profiles like Dalbec, Chavis, Duran and Shaw.The clear inference is that myself and half the board are racists.
I just wanted to make sure that's what you actually meant to imply.
And what do you attribute that difference to?Nope. Not what I said. I said there was a major difference in how the fan base has received Franchy Cordero vs. recent players with similar high-K% profiles like Dalbec, Chavis, Duran and Shaw.
Must be the “funny name”And what do you attribute that difference to?
True. I think it’s irritating whenever half the fanbase writes off a free swinging power hitter with a funny name, as they did as soon as we acquired him, yet shows endless patience for guys with similar hitting profiles like Dalbec, Duran, Chavis or even Travis Shaw (who I’m stunned is still in the league, let alone on our team).
No one asked my opinion, and neither of you needs me to speak for you, but you are two of our top-tier posters here and I'd hate to see this one boil over.What exactly are you trying to say here, Chawson?
As has been pointed out, Chavis got off to a hot start which gave him a bit of a leash with the fan base. People round here were champing at the bit to be rid of him by the end, and moaning every time he was recalled.Nope. Not what I said. I said there was a major difference in how the fan base has received Franchy Cordero vs. recent players with similar high-K% profiles like Dalbec, Chavis, Duran and Shaw.
Do you think the difference is lost on me? Why don’t you ask the poster who brought up Cordero what’s so strikingly similar that he needed be invoked in reply to a post about Micker Adolfo.And what do you attribute that difference to?
Thank you, yes.No one asked my opinion, and neither of you needs me to speak for you, but you are two of our top-tier posters here and I'd hate to see this one boil over.
I also read Chawson as saying that there are fans out there who will sometimes exhibit more patience with white players as they develop than they do with players of color--and I think he's absolutely correct. I don't think it's half the fan base, and I suspect that Chawson was exaggerating for effect.
Cordero doesn't sound funny to meMust be the “funny name”
Then have the fucking balls to say it outright, if that's what you believe. No reason to couch it with coded remarksThank you, yes.
Says the guy who posts 99 percent snark and ignores PMs.Then have the fucking balls to say it outright, if that's what you believe. No reason to couch it with coded remarks