Post-Game 17 BB update poll
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Want him back. As is. Even losing football is more interesting with Bill coaching our team.
But I think it’s over.
But I think it’s over.
Want him back, primarily as HC, but HC/GM with some new blood in the organization below him would be fine by me. Seems like it’s a done deal that he’s gone, but I think it will be a mistake.
Don’t really know what I want. If pressed, I guess I want them to move on only because I don’t trust him to pick guys on offense anymore. Would take him back as coach only if that were an option but I don’t think it is.
Think he’s gone.
Think he’s gone.
I want the Patriots to move on from BB. I am extremely grateful for the greatness of the NEP for the past 20 years and the unexpected and unreasonable happiness that their success has brought me. (I mean, WTF? 8 AFC championship games in a row! I would have settled for that first SB against the Rams.) BB is a football savant and knows more than anybody about the game. But his personnel management -- player selection (drafts, free agents), coaches, front office -- is, at this point in his career, subpar. Based on the data of the past 4 years or so. My impression is that he is locked into his way -- which is understandable since it has brought him and his teams great success, fame and riches. But, I don't want to give him the reins for the rebuild. No longer in BB do I trust.
And I suspect that the Krafts feel the same way.
And I suspect that the Krafts feel the same way.
My preference is that he’s back as HC, and we start the franchise transition process by bringing in a real GM. But I can’t see him accepting that.
After he refuses that option, I’d bring him back as HC/GM for one more season. But it’s playoffs or bust.
I think he’s gone though.
After he refuses that option, I’d bring him back as HC/GM for one more season. But it’s playoffs or bust.
I think he’s gone though.
I want him back (he's the best coach and very likely the best GM "on the market") but I think if that was the decision you would have seen a statement several weeks ago to that effect. The silence coming from the Krafts is deafening. I would expect a very quick process from here, and I think it's all lined up already between Bill and the two owners. Assuming he's not bed ridden tomorrow, I think they'll announce, do the song and dance and hire Mayo, and bring back an old friend for GM (Quinn, Dimitroff, Robinson, etc.).
The problem with that is once we have interviews we know BB is gone.
And only 13% are voting "move on".
The problem is a lot of people want BB as the head coach but not the GM. But that doesn't seem like an actual possibility.
True but that's partially because the poll gives a cop out option. If the options were "Bill back in his current role with current power" versus "Bill out" you'd probably get different results. We can't know if Bill would accept a demotion but.... we kinda know. Final say on personnel was a requirement to sign him, I doubt that changed after 20 years
Yeah, I know that's apparently unlikely, was just wondering how many would like that.
As a Belichick supporter, I’ve kind of vacillated on these scenarios over a decent chunk of this season, but I voted for wanting BB to move on and thinking he will not return.
These last few weeks seem to be heading towards a flashpoint of sorts in the BB - Kraft dynamic, and to me, the time for change is now. Not next year. I would not want to see him return in any capacity with an ultimatum looming (e.g. playoffs or you’re out).
Time for a reset, and I say that as a very fortunate fan of this franchise.
Through my rose colored (mutual decision) glasses, I would love to see BB ride off into the sunset to his next NFL venture, having orchestrated his own trade to the franchise of his best fit (half joking).
These last few weeks seem to be heading towards a flashpoint of sorts in the BB - Kraft dynamic, and to me, the time for change is now. Not next year. I would not want to see him return in any capacity with an ultimatum looming (e.g. playoffs or you’re out).
Time for a reset, and I say that as a very fortunate fan of this franchise.
Through my rose colored (mutual decision) glasses, I would love to see BB ride off into the sunset to his next NFL venture, having orchestrated his own trade to the franchise of his best fit (half joking).
Hmm, but would he develop the same without Belichik... I kind of doubt it. Chicken/egg kinda thing. Belichick is a genius coach, but he'd never have had the same ridiculous success without Brady who was a perfect fit. Brady built himself into the best QB ever, but does that happen without Belichick? Doubtful. It's why all Brady vs. Belichik arguments are generally pointless, they are integral parts of what made the other successful.
Yep. Brady and Belichick individually are great. Together they made the Patriots the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen.
There have been lots of great QBs that have won a ton and lots of great coaches that have won a ton but putting Brady and Belichick together was like a superpower.
Not that it would happen but if Bill were kicked upstairs to *just* be the GM a la Parcells? Are we sure it wouldn’t work?
I imagine a bunch of posters think Bill as GM without the coaching part would be a disaster – that he can’t draft WRs, has no idea to design a modern offense, etc. But is it possible that he would see the game differently without having to coach the players himself? After all, this is the guy who famously said, “At this point in my career, I only want to coach guys I want to coach” (slightly paraphrasing).
What if he didn’t have to coach them?
I imagine a bunch of posters think Bill as GM without the coaching part would be a disaster – that he can’t draft WRs, has no idea to design a modern offense, etc. But is it possible that he would see the game differently without having to coach the players himself? After all, this is the guy who famously said, “At this point in my career, I only want to coach guys I want to coach” (slightly paraphrasing).
What if he didn’t have to coach them?
I very appreciate all that he has accomplished in NE but I think keeping BB only delays the inevitable. If they draft a QB with this high draft pick, does anyone here trust him to develop the guy? Tom Brady is a unicorn. He fought through adversity at Michigan and busted his ass in a tough environment in NE. He is also a football savant. It takes special players and coaches to run this Ehrhart-Perkins offense. Has BB found these players? Look at all the rookies and young players that thrive in the Shanahan and his disciples offense. It’s an easier system to learn and execute. BB knew this that’s why they made changes last year in camp but instead of getting a Shanahan OC he chose Marty P to implement it.
Yes I do. Even setting aside Brady, his track record with QBs is excellent. He turned a lot of mid round picks into long time NFL players.
That developed under who? We assume Brady gets to the same place from pick 199 (or whatever super high level pick he would have still been drafted). This is the problem of picking Brady out of some random time in his career. A huge part of what made him him came from learning under Bill. Just as a big part of Bill came from Brady even though he had a defensive track record long before Brady came along.
They both make each other.
It’s time and I think it happens.
He can still coach, but there’s too much lost in roster and staff building. If he can step into somewhere ready made, he could still coach to get the record.
I’ve always been on the keep BB side of this. The reason I think it will hurt is because it’s easy to say can the guy when you’re in the midst of a terrible season but when you step back for a moment and it comes time to make that decision, you think…uh…wait a minute here…is this really what we want to do? And you conclude that he is still top shelf at what he does AND he’s given us so many great memories.
I voted that he won't be back, but maybe some people want to vote "I have no idea" and can't as it's not an option.
I'm not going to stand here and say there aren't problems with the roster; there plainly are. But I kind of agree with you-- they never quit on him, they won some games down the stretch with total ass QB play, and they were in a shitload of close games. They were 4-8 in one score games... if they were 8-4 instead, they'd be .500. Really hoping that all parties can get to "HC but not GM"... not optimistic though.