Not alone at all. A law school classmate of mine is an employment lawyer in State College, and we spoke today. His firm is a little busy right now.Good move, and he won't be alone.
Not alone at all. A law school classmate of mine is an employment lawyer in State College, and we spoke today. His firm is a little busy right now.Good move, and he won't be alone.
This is insanely unfair to the students/players/everyone. Some of those players were in Kindergarden the last time Jerry Sandusky was on staff. It also kind of messes with their chances to earn a livelihood a bit.So they're punting on McQueary. Ridiculous. The remainder of the season should be canceled while the investigations run their course. Put everyone on administrative leave until you know what you're dealing with. End of story.
Lot of money involved. Penn State home football games bring around $59M per into the State College community. ESPN will have high ratings, whether you want to hear that or not. They don't want to pull the plug.So they're punting on McQueary. Ridiculous. The remainder of the season should be canceled while the investigations run their course. Put everyone on administrative leave until you know what you're dealing with. End of story.
If they canceled three football games? The football program is responsible for this mess. By playing on Saturday, Penn State University denies its responsibility for this. By playing any more games of football this season, PSU is telling the world that football is more important than the lives of little boys, victims of rape and abuse. Their little world is imploding in a frenzy of moral collapse, media scrutiny, lawsuits and condemnation from the likes of Barry Switzer and the Westboro Baptist Church (and when they are in the right and you are in the wrong, you are finished) that may threaten the University's existence. And they need to play football on Saturday to make themselves feel better?This is insanely unfair to the students/players/everyone. Some of those players were in Kindergarden the last time Jerry Sandusky was on staff. It also kind of messes with their chances to earn a livelihood a bit.
The Westboro Baptist Church is right in your eyes, and for only one reason. You agree with them.If they canceled three football games? The football program is responsible for this mess. By playing on Saturday, Penn State University denies its responsibility for this. By playing any more games of football this season, PSU is telling the world that football is more important than the lives of little boys, victims of rape and abuse. Their little world is imploding in a frenzy of moral collapse, media scrutiny, lawsuits and condemnation from the likes of Barry Switzer and the Westboro Baptist Church (and when they are in the right and you are in the wrong, you are finished) that may threaten the University's existence. And they need to play football on Saturday to make themselves feel better?
Yeah, that sounds pretty unfair.
Blow it up. Suspend the football program. Let all players transfer with no eligibility loss. Fire everyone even remotely connected with it. Start over in a year or two. Show the world your press conference posturing isn't just empty words. Have some courage and recognize that the problem starts with the football program being untouchable and unaccountable. Make it accountable and maybe make something positive come out of this.
Fuck it. I can't have an intelligent argument with people who think it's rational to compare the relative fairness of rape and football.Not fair to the players who had nothing to do with this absurd behavior - put a commemorative patch on the jerseys or something, but you can't cancel games.
No, I don't, but you are right to call me on that remark. That was stupid and flippant.The Westboro Baptist Church is right in your eyes, and for only one reason. You agree with them.
Fuck it. I can't have an intelligent argument with people who think it's rational to compare the relative fairness of rape and football.
But yeah, a commemorative patch ought to make it all better.
Yup. I feel bad for the PSU football players and students who are disgusted, outraged and humiliated by the actions of the "adults" on campus. The Kremlin may want to carpet bomb State College but the actions of a few sick, evil old men can't and don't outweigh the large numbers of PSU employees, faculty, students, coaches and administrators who didn't know anything about this sordid mess. No one is going to shut down the football program and no one is going to shut down PSU. But individuals responsible need to be held accountable and the truth exposed.This is insanely unfair to the students/players/everyone. Some of those players were in Kindergarden the last time Jerry Sandusky was on staff. It also kind of messes with their chances to earn a livelihood a bit.
I can't resist. I am so fucking upset by this shit that I just can't stop.Yup. I feel bad for the PSU football players and students who are disgusted, outraged and humiliated by the actions of the "adults" on campus. The Kremlin may want to carpet bomb State College but the actions of a few sick, evil old men can't and don't outweigh the large numbers of PSU employees, faculty, students, coaches and administrators who didn't know anything about this sordid mess. No one is going to shut down the football program and no one is going to shut down PSU. But individuals responsible need to be held accountable and the truth exposed.
It doesn't make it better. Nothing makes this situation better. Nothing. By recognizing that the football program is the problem, by making the football program accountable, it makes it not worse. Playing football makes it worse. Playing football is denial that there is an institutional problem.I don't get how cancelling football games is supposed to make it better. It's certainly not going to make the victims of the Pederasty Coordinator feel any better. It's not going to make the controversy go away any sooner. I just don't see the point.
Yes. And punting on McQueary is another example of the same.Playing football makes it worse. Playing football is denial that there is an institutional problem.
So why did they fire a bunch of really important people associated with the football program? You want to punish a large population for the actions of a small minority.It doesn't make it better. Nothing makes this situation better. Nothing. By recognizing that the football program is the problem, by making the football program accountable, it makes it not worse. Playing football makes it worse. Playing football is denial that there is an institutional problem.
Have we had a definitive answer on the legal implications of the whistleblower thing? This may need to play its course for a little bit before McQueary gets his day.Yes. And punting on McQueary is another example of the same.
They still don't get it - and at some point you say - even the people who seem to be trying to fix it are part of the problem.
The people charged with the protection of this institution are destroying it by their actions.
I suspect the sponsors would prefer the game be cancelled at this point anyway. Cars.com has already pulled out from ESPN sponsorship for the next two weeks (which were to be PSU games), and Penn State's athletics dept sponsorhip page has been blanked out (see the google cache version)Meanwhile you have a ton of financial commitments to a ton of people from advertisers to students to everything else.
For one, two of those three games are away games. Why should Ohio State and Wisconsin lose a home football date and the accompanying revenue because Penn State's mid-deeds?If they canceled three football games? The football program is responsible for this mess. By playing on Saturday, Penn State University denies its responsibility for this.
Innocent people pay the price for shit other people did all the time. Even most of the thugs at OSU probably haven't committed any of the violations that will have that program banned from postseason play for a few years. The difference here is that we're not talking about meaningless crap that every program engages in, and only some get caught doing. Here, innocent kids, kids who were never going to play Big Ten or NFL football, have had their lives ruined. So some players miss a few football games, and the opportunity to get destroyed in the first Big Ten championship game. They'll get over it. And they'll learn from it. But their lives won't be ruined like those kids' lives have been.This is insanely unfair to the students/players/everyone. Some of those players were in Kindergarden the last time Jerry Sandusky was on staff. It also kind of messes with their chances to earn a livelihood a bit.
Canceling the games will do nothing to curb that institutional issue, either - nor will it "fix" the endemic flaws of college football on the whole, as these same issues are present in EVERY university with a major college football program.I have to say, I somewhat agree with Kremlin - the core of the problem is that the football staff had so much power that they felt (apparently accurately) they weren't accountable to anyone. Saying that they can't cancel the football game because of what a devastating effect it will have on the players and the PSU community is basically re-stating the exact problem; the importance of the football team is so incredibly out of proportion that it encourages an environment where rules don't apply.
The 'punishment' being suggested essentially is that the 100 or so players on a college football team will not get to play 1 regular-season game that likely will not affect a bowl appearance (assuming PSU will turn down any bowl offers), and their 100000 fans will not get to see that 1 game.So why did they fire a bunch of really important people associated with the football program? You want to punish a large population for the actions of a small minority.
You cannot be serious. The LAST people we should be worried about treating "fairly" are some entitled college students. They're not owed anything, unless you consider their collective inability to understand and respect what is truly important here as an educational failure. In which case, they're owed a refund from PSU for their wasted tuition.This is insanely unfair to the students/players/everyone. Some of those players were in Kindergarden the last time Jerry Sandusky was on staff. It also kind of messes with their chances to earn a livelihood a bit.
It might, however, show that the actions or inactions of people like Paterno have consequences. If these people claimed to love Penn State and the town so much, they should not have hurt the university and the community that way.Canceling the games will do nothing to curb that institutional issue, either - nor will it "fix" the endemic flaws of college football on the whole, as these same issues are present in EVERY university with a major college football program.
You were probably typing while I was posting, but yes - thousands of people's livelihoods are impacted...many of whom are hurt a whole lot more financially than any player, coach or administrator would be by having even one game cancelled.Nobody's livelihood is impacted.
They should let him coach. If something happens then I think Tom Bradley should just tell the AD about it.Penn State statement: Due to multiple threats made against Assistant Coach Mike McQueary, the University has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game.
This is such an unfounded and absurd contention, I can barely stand it. Happy Valley, Columbus, and Madison will each lose one game. Each of those schools tends to play an extra home game than most of the conference, anyway. Do you honestly believe there are thousands of hot dog salesmen who will be sleeping on the streets because they lost out on the fifty bucks they would have earned at the PSU game? Give me a break.You were probably typing while I was posting, but yes - thousands of people's livelihoods are impacted...many of whom are hurt a whole lot more financially than any player, coach or administrator would be by having even one game cancelled.
That very well may be - and that may be reason enough, I'm not in position to know really.It might, however, show that the actions or inactions of people like Paterno have consequences. If these people claimed to love Penn State and the town so much, they should not have hurt the university and the community that way.
A days work is pretty important to a lot of people, especially people who are taking extra jobs working at a stadium selling food or doing janitorial work, add in the lost business to restaurants and hotels from thousands of visiting fans, and yes that is a major economic impact in the community. Also you are then punishing Ohio State and Wisconsin for the actions of Penn State officials.This is such an unfounded and absurd contention, I can barely stand it. Happy Valley, Columbus, and Madison will each lose one game. Each of those schools tends to play an extra home game than most of the conference, anyway. Do you honestly believe there are thousands of hot dog salesmen who will be sleeping on the streets because they lost out on the fifty bucks they would have earned at the PSU game? Give me a break.
Yes, poor OSU is being punished. Of course they get punished all the time by having to give up 35% of their gate to freeloaders like Northwestern and Indiana. And the rest of the conference is going to get punished when OSU gets banned from postseason play and so all the schools lose out on their shares of the would-be bowl revenue. This money excuse is absolute bullshit. All 3 schools are extremely flush with football cash, and can both withstand the loss of a game, and make any employee who is not already paid a salary whole. The Big Ten, likewise could adjust the revenue sharing for these three games to minimize financial impact.A days work is pretty important to a lot of people, especially people who are taking extra jobs working at a stadium selling food or doing janitorial work, add in the lost business to restaurants and hotels from thousands of visiting fans, and yes that is a major economic impact in the community. Also you are then punishing Ohio State and Wisconsin for the actions of Penn State officials.
50 bucks to the Jimmy Fund says your school won't be playing in a bowl game this season whether PSU goes 0-3, 5-0, or anywhere in between the rest of the way.*On a completely selfish note - I hope they cancel their entire season as it would provide quite the favor to my own University*
So, the NCAA should not levy penalties on programs? Should the death penalty never be exercised? What are you arguing?A days work is pretty important to a lot of people, especially people who are taking extra jobs working at a stadium selling food or doing janitorial work, add in the lost business to restaurants and hotels from thousands of visiting fans, and yes that is a major economic impact in the community. Also you are then punishing Ohio State and Wisconsin for the actions of Penn State officials.
Producing a major event for 80,000 to 100,000 spectators is a massive endeavor, we're not talking about an army of just "hot-dog salesmen", we're talking about a whole lot of people doing a whole lot of tasks - some will be impacted more than others for sure. And some of those guys, most likely from the crew of day laborers who clean the stadium after, are already on the streets or in a shelter...so yeah, that $75 they make that day matters a lot.This is such an unfounded and absurd contention, I can barely stand it. Happy Valley, Columbus, and Madison will each lose one game. Each of those schools tends to play an extra home game than most of the conference, anyway. Do you honestly believe there are thousands of hot dog salesmen who will be sleeping on the streets because they lost out on the fifty bucks they would have earned at the PSU game? Give me a break.
Why should a groundkeeper in Ann Arbor lose a days wages because Dave Brandon wants to play Alabama at Jerry's World instead of scheduling another patsy at the Big House? What of the poor A2 Hampton Inn franchisee?! Honestly, this is a nonsensical argument.Producing a major event for 80,000 to 100,000 spectators is a massive endeavor, we're not talking about an army of just "hot-dog salesmen", we're talking about a whole lot of people doing a whole lot of tasks - some will be impacted more than others for sure. And some of those guys, most likely from the crew of day laborers who clean the stadium after, are already on the streets or in a shelter...so yeah, that $75 they make that day matters a lot.
Point is, the vast majority of these people never molested a child (sadly, some probably have, given the numbers), and never covered up for someone who was molesting a child. Why should a groundkeeper in Madison lose a days wages because Jerry Sandusky is a pervert and Joe Paterno is a prick?
I feel the need to respond to this because many people seem to be accepting this heroin ring thing prima facie.Not a single mention of the huge heroin ring busted a few months before his disappearance, or the MD prosecutor who went missing in the same fashion. Let's not go with the most likely scenario. Instead we'll all assume a huge conspiracy. Until actual evidence appears even remotely suggesting PSU's involvement in the DA disappearance, people who throw these types of things at the wall are no better than the individuals who blindly defend Paterno, McQueary, Spanier, et al. The opposite end of the defend at all costs spectrum are the individuals who suggest a witch hunt condemning anyone who stepped foot on campus.
Ummmm... actually none of those things indicate they are related. If someone has "actual evidence even remotely suggesting-- At the time of their disappearances, both prosecutors were involved in high-stakes heroin cases.
-- The drug suppliers in both cases were from the New York city area. "Bricks and bricks from foreign dudes up top," as Luna's FBI informant, Warren Grace, explains.
-- Both men disappeared on car rides, while they were alone.
-- Both men vanished without their cell phones. Luna's cell phone was found on his desk, while Gricar's was in his car. This seems to indicate misplaced trust, or perhaps a sudden interruption that called them away from their routine or expected activites.
There's a big difference between long range planning towards greater goals and more or less last minute cancellation of planned events. In any case, IF Penn State were to withdraw their football team from their two remaining away games, I would hope at minimum a large payment to their two scheduled opponents would be part of that action. You can't play in a league and then just not show up for your games, forcing your opponent to refund millions of dollars in ticket sales.Why should a groundkeeper in Ann Arbor lose a days wages because Dave Brandon wants to play Alabama at Jerry's World instead of scheduling another patsy at the Big House? What of the poor A2 Hampton Inn franchisee?! Honestly, this is a nonsensical argument.
No it isn't. you advocate something that punishes a huge group of people for actions of a few, while not actually punishing the few. How does cancelling games punish Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley, Graham Spanier, or Gary Schultz all of whom have been fired (except Curley who I'm sure will be fired when it is legally possible). If your issue is with the University you can make the argument that they should donate their share of the gate to charity, but the idea that cancelling games punishes those responsible is ridiculous. The argument that cancelling games adversely affects the communities is hardly nonsensical, just because games are scheduled elsewhere and hurt the community doesn't mean your proposal hurts the community less.Why should a groundkeeper in Ann Arbor lose a days wages because Dave Brandon wants to play Alabama at Jerry's World instead of scheduling another patsy at the Big House? What of the poor A2 Hampton Inn franchisee?! Honestly, this is a nonsensical argument.
This was the cars.com comment:I suspect the sponsors would prefer the game be cancelled at this point anyway. Cars.com has already pulled out from ESPN sponsorship for the next two weeks (which were to be PSU games), and Penn State's athletics dept sponsorhip page has been blanked out (see the google cache version)
Yeah, a lot of people will be watching... but I don't think at this point any company wants to be associated with this.
That stings a little cars.com. I mean, understandable, but yikes.Due to the recent allegations surrounding the Penn State Football program, Cars.com has decided to withdraw from this weekend's sponsorship of the Nebraska at Penn State game on Saturday, November 12 at 12:00 PM. As a proud, longtime supporter of ESPN College Football, it's important to us that we're building our brand and raising the visibility of our advertisers in a way that celebrates the sport, the dedication of its student athletes and the many reputable universities that field teams. We will still be sponsoring a game this weekend.
It's also callous self promotion. No one was going to criticize them for having ads on during that game, they knew that withdrawing and making a public statement about it would tie them in with the biggest story of the week and give them tens of thousands of dollars worth of free advertising.This was the cars.com comment:
That stings a little cars.com. I mean, understandable, but yikes.