This guy probably molested a hundred kids through his life:
http://deadspin.com/5857697/number-of-sandusky-victims-to-come-forward-at-almost-20
http://deadspin.com/5857697/number-of-sandusky-victims-to-come-forward-at-almost-20
They're kids. They're stupid. Don't be too hard on them. Most of them will have kids of their own someday and look back and be ashamed that they went to this idiotic rally.What awful, vile people.
PITTSBURGH -- Channel 11 News is looking into the disappearance of the district attorney who chose not to prosecute former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago.
Ray Gricar disappeared in 2005. Gricar’s car and laptop were found along the Susquehanna River, but police have yet to find the former district attorney.
I don't think this makes any sense. I would suspect none of the deans and department heads of the college had anything to do with protecting a child predator. I would venture that many/most/all of these academic departments resented the football program for receiving so much attention at what is supposed to be an academic institution. If you didn't mean the word all, then I suggest you don't use the word all.Disgraceful. I hope the Big Ten boots them out. There should be no involvement with a University who at all levels both academic and sports administration protects a child predator.
Does this mean he might be arrested again soon and will be behind bars where he belongs? Or at least have his bail revoked?Welp, I think we all saw this coming but still... just... ugh
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811
This is exactly right. He should be back in jail tomorrow. I was shocked that he was let out at all.Does this mean he might be arrested again soon and will be behind bars where he belongs? Or at least have his bail revoked?
If they really are going to force out Paterno, they have to can the Prez and the AD too.PSU board of trustees users are meeting right now, so Sayers my buddy who works at the Patriot-News.
Agreed, you can't force one out and keep the other two. However you could also argue that Paterno has more power than anyone at that school...hell its an absolute fact.If they really are going to force out Paterno, they have to can the Prez and the AD too.
The AD was fired Sunday. By all accounts, the Prez will be gone Friday, if not sooner. The only question is when Paterno goes.If they really are going to force out Paterno, they have to can the Prez and the AD too.
The kids are too young to remember 1994, but their parents, several of them alumni aren't. To say that the football program is a huge source of pride at Penn State is an understatement. The stadium fills up, the parking lots fill up, every single weekend (unless they have a 1AA school on the schedule).As an alum of a big sports school, I'll defend the kids, not for supporting Joe, but wanting to hold onto the football program. Sports are a big part of the experience at any big time football school. A big part of that is winning. These kids are confused and they're in denial because they're losing something that is dear to them. I'm sure many of them have a great fondness for the program and what JoePa has done for the Penn State football program on the field. Many of them grew up rooting for this team, watching teams like the undefeated 1994 team (I guess these kids might have been too young for that, huh?) or the many other strong Penn State squads of the last 15-20 years. JoePa has been very influential in making their school what it is because of the football program's winning tradition. The football program is a huge source of pride at Penn State. JoePa stepping down is a huge loss to the program and the university. These kids are losing a part of what makes them whole.
In time, they'll understand the wrongdoings of Paterno, but they'll need time to digest the reality and magnitude of what went on.
AFAIK, he was only "put on leave to fight the charges".The AD was fired Sunday.
I don't know how it worked at Penn State, but I was a Grad Student at Iowa (another Big 10) program, so I can offer a few insights from my experience there:I would venture that many/most/all of these academic departments resented the football program for receiving so much attention at what is supposed to be an academic institution.
Him disappearing probably had more to do with $1.5 million drug bust
Especially against the backdrop of the sludge that has flowed recently from big time/big money college athletics, do I find it conceivable that DA could be whacked based on what he knew to prevent the toppling of a program -- even if he stood down? Sadly, yes.
Only been here a few months, but you are probably right that there are groups like this. I know in my department that the attitude toward the football team ranges from fandom to tolerance to resentment, heavier on that last two parts because of the amount it distracts the students. There are always grumblings about the amount of money devoted to athletics/football program when class sizes keep getting larger with less money for fixed term faculty and graduate assistants. They were hoping for an average class size of about 20 in a few years but have been getting larger since the economic downturn.I don't know how it worked at Penn State, but I was a Grad Student at Iowa (another Big 10) program, so I can offer a few insights from my experience there:
- By and large the Football Team is loved by the school, including academic departments. There isn't really any resentment of the huge national spotlight put on football because it puts a huge spotlight on the University. Most of the professors I knew were fans and took their families to games. Maybe there are other parts of the University that feel differently, but Psychology/Biology/Neuroscience/Computer Science seemed pretty pro-athletics.
- I have no idea what the level of academic involvement is at Penn State, but at Iowa there is a group of tenured faculty that cycles through academic advisory boards for the team. My advisor was on one such board and so I went with him to a game - we sat in the AD's booth with the other "important" people, hung out with Fred Mims, the assistant AD (who actually played MiLB and played with Fred Lynn), pretty cool experience. Besides for being schmoozed at football games, they are actually fairly involved in the part of athletics that directly impacts "student" life - they meet with all of the coaches (wrestling, basketball, there are a lot of sports) and sit for some of administrative stuff for athletics (academic probation, hiring, etc). So if PSU has a similar program, it is possible that there were some professors in the know, especially if they frequented these advisory panels. But given that the AD is being charged with covering this entire thing up, I would say it is highly unlikely. This is probably something that never really crossed from the athletics/administration side of the university into the academic side. It will now, of course.
FWIW, police investigating the DA's disappearance said they'd found evidence on his home computer that he'd done internet searches on how to destroy a laptop hard drive. They found his laptop with the drive missing, and later found the drive in the river irreparably damaged.Especially against the backdrop of the sludge that has flowed recently from big time/big money college athletics, do I find it conceivable that DA could be whacked based on what he knew to prevent the toppling of a program -- even if he stood down? Sadly, yes.
Thank goodness he at least acknowledged the victims. IMO he has to offer a heartfelt apology. It's not going to mean much but it will show that he at least has some kind of heart. I will be shocked if he doesn't make a statement tomorrow.Just a bizarre night outside the Paterno household. It sounds more like Joe was addressing a pep rally. Pretty disgusting.
Joe Paterno speaks to students outside home
Your observation is probably spot on, but IMO, this seems to be symbolic of a lot of what is wrong about sports.As an alum of a big sports school, I'll defend the kids, not for supporting Joe, but wanting to hold onto the football program. Sports are a big part of the experience at any big time football school. A big part of that is winning. These kids are confused and they're in denial because they're losing something that is dear to them. I'm sure many of them have a great fondness for the program and what JoePa has done for the Penn State football program on the field. Many of them grew up rooting for this team, watching teams like the undefeated 1994 team (I guess these kids might have been too young for that, huh?) or the many other strong Penn State squads of the last 15-20 years. JoePa has been very influential in making their school what it is because of the football program's winning tradition. The football program is a huge source of pride at Penn State. JoePa stepping down is a huge loss to the program and the university. These kids are losing a part of what makes them whole.
In time, they'll understand the wrongdoings of Paterno, but they'll need time to digest the reality and magnitude of what went on.
Yes, particularly since another MD prosecutor was killed under similar circumstances busting a NY heroin ring - as pointed out in an earlier post.Him disappearing probably had more to do with $1.5 million drug bust
I hope whoever crafts this next statement for him does a much better job than the last one. Expressing "shock" that Sandusky is a monster is a little tough to take when everyone knows what you've testified to, that you knew about at least one crime and did nothing.Thank goodness he at least acknowledged the victims. IMO he has to offer a heartfelt apology. It's not going to mean much but it will show that he at least has some kind of heart. I will be shocked if he doesn't make a statement tomorrow.
Amazing to think the DA was willing to risk life and limb by going after a heroin ring, but he was apparently afraid to go after Sandusky (and by extension, PSU football)Yes, particularly since another MD prosecutor was killed under similar circumstances busting a NY heroin ring - as pointed out in an earlier post.
If you're referring to the Mann Act, yes, if the sex would be illegal which obviously it is here. And thankfully it was amended in 1986 to be gender-neutral (originally intended with female victims).stick a fork in JoePa, he's done, he just doesnt have a big time church in Rome to flee to like Bernie Law
question for the lawyers on the board, isn't transporting a minor across state lines (taking the kid to the Alamo Bowl) for purpose of sex a FEDERAL crime?
Probably. Half joking here - in departments where people get grants, they aren't so concerned with the football budget. =)My read on the situation could be wrong though. Being in the humanities probably colors it negatively.
I'm sorry but this is just stupid.At least some Penn Staters are taking a step in the right direction.
I agree. I clicked on the link, and holy crap the posters on that page from PSU just mindless.I'm sorry but this is just stupid.
Yay! 100,000 people wear blue to the Senior Day game, say a prayer for the victims, cheer on JoePa and everything will be great! Go Lions!
It's sick.
You know, they should just cancel the game! and cancel football! then everyone will forget about this and it'll all be better! Let's go play backgammon!I'm sorry but this is just stupid.
Yay! 100,000 people wear blue to the Senior Day game, say a prayer for the victims, cheer on JoePa and everything will be great! Go Lions!
It's sick.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Sex crimes involving children are difficult to prosecute. He may simply have felt that he lacked the witnesses he needed for a conviction.Amazing to think the DA was willing to risk life and limb by going after a heroin ring, but he was apparently afraid to go after Sandusky (and by extension, PSU football)
Isn't there value in fighting it? How many kids would have benefitted from Sandusky's activities being made public?I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Sex crimes involving children are difficult to prosecute. He may simply have felt that he lacked the witnesses he needed for a conviction.
Moose, I was thinking the same thing. I called my old roomie from the 'Cuse who is a Former Asst US Attorney in Sacramento. He said if it could be shown the intent was to bring the kids across state lines for sexual activity, it could be trafficing and a federal charge.....like up to 20 years in Federal prison. But without more facts on that particualr incident he was unsure. There may also be federal civil rights laws that were violated and in theory conspiracy after the fact charges that could be amended in a supeceding indictment against the administrators and conceivably Paterno. Also Sandusky could face charges in Texas (Alamo Bowl) and Florida (Outback Bowl).stick a fork in JoePa, he's done, he just doesnt have a big time church in Rome to flee to like Bernie Law
question for the lawyers on the board, isn't transporting a minor across state lines (taking the kid to the Alamo Bowl) for purpose of sex a FEDERAL crime?
Wow. Stalling tactic indeed. The subtitle to that statement might as well have read "We Expect to see Coach Paterno Carried Triumphantly off the field after our Citrus Bowl Win."Yeah, that is a stalling tactic. Wow, they are really digging themselves into a huge hole here. Commence liquidating the State Penn endowment to pay for the factory of lawyers who will be working on their legal defenses!
It's to try to do something positive out of a horrible situation and unite to give attention to the Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse, which isn't new and has existed for 22 years. If that's sick, I don't know what to tell you.I'm sorry but this is just stupid.
Yay! 100,000 people wear blue to the Senior Day game, say a prayer for the victims, cheer on JoePa and everything will be great! Go Lions!
It's sick.
It's to try to do something positive out of a horrible situation and unite to give attention to the Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse, which isn't new and has existed for 22 years. If that's sick, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm as embarrassed as anyone for what has happened at my alma mater. I hope everyone involved in the cover up gets what's deserved including Paterno. At the same time, I don't agree with the bulk of the posts here about the students outside Paterno's house. I'm not saying Paterno can do no wrong. It sucks that he didn't do more about Sandusky and I wish he had, but Paterno has also done so much over the years for the university, the students, the charities, etc., to more than offset his mistakes of this scandal in my mind, even as dispicable as this scandal is. I'm sure plenty here will disagree with me and some may try to twist this as though I condone something I don't, but I feel the positives Paterno has done shouldn't be forgotten or just tossed aside.
The positives Paterno has done were tossed aside the second he reported the Sandusky stuff up the ladder and then washed his hands of it.It's to try to do something positive out of a horrible situation and unite to give attention to the Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse, which isn't new and has existed for 22 years. If that's sick, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm as embarrassed as anyone for what has happened at my alma mater. I hope everyone involved in the cover up gets what's deserved including Paterno. At the same time, I don't agree with the bulk of the posts here about the students outside Paterno's house. I'm not saying Paterno can do no wrong. It sucks that he didn't do more about Sandusky and I wish he had, but Paterno has also done so much over the years for the university, the students, the charities, etc., to more than offset his mistakes of this scandal in my mind, even as dispicable as this scandal is. I'm sure plenty here will disagree with me and some may try to twist this as though I condone something I don't, but I feel the positives Paterno has done shouldn't be forgotten or just tossed aside.
That is a very good question. I listened to the attorney general's press conference Monday and while she said Paterno and Spanier have not been charged, she made sure to not-so-subtly leave the door open on the possibility as the investigation continues. There was certainly no ringing endorsements or platitudes given to Paterno or Spanier for fulfilling their "legal obligation". I expect A LOT more dirty laundry will be aired in the coming weeks. With the national disgust at this story boiling over, neither Paterno or Spanier will be spared.question for the lawyers on the board, isn't transporting a minor across state lines (taking the kid to the Alamo Bowl) for purpose of sex a FEDERAL crime?
I don't agree that the good outweighs his mistakes/at worst intentional coverup, but even assuming it does, is now really the best time to honor the man and his legacy, with child abuse victims coming forward, with the perp still free? Paterno is in no way a victim, and that was what was galling about the show of support.At the same time, I don't agree with the bulk of the posts here about the students outside Paterno's house. I'm not saying Paterno can do no wrong. It sucks that he didn't do more about Sandusky and I wish he had, but Paterno has also done so much over the years for the university, the students, the charities, etc., to more than offset his mistakes of this scandal in my mind, even as dispicable as this scandal is. I'm sure plenty here will disagree with me and some may try to twist this as though I condone something I don't, but I feel the positives Paterno has done shouldn't be forgotten or just tossed aside.
I think they are just going to give him this last home game and be done with it all Monday.Yeah, that is a stalling tactic. Wow, they are really digging themselves into a huge hole here. Commence liquidating the State Penn endowment to pay for the factory of lawyers who will be working on their legal defenses!