Patriots non-coaching/non-draft off-season stuff

DJnVa

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New threads are good! I imagine there will be contract restructuring, etc. so maybe a place to post about things not BB related and not draft related.

Anyway, Judon is starting his offseason work.

 

Harry Hooper

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Did Trent think Brady was coming back to NE for the 2023 season?
 

lexrageorge

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Trent Brown is hurt all the time and is on the wrong side of 30. He is easily replaced so time to move on.
 
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Trent Brown is hurt all the time and is on the wrong side of 30. He is easily replaced so time to move on.
he’s definitely not “easily replaced”. The only way the Pats find a LT approaching the level he gives when healthy is taking Alt or Fashanu 3rd overall

the best external option in free agency is Wynn, hardly a paragon of good health. Maybe Tyron Smith if he’s not retained in Dallas but again always hurt. After that, Becton? Always hurt and awful.

next best options are overpaying for the mediocre Jonah Williams or picking through the backups available and hoping for the best (old friend Jermaine Eluemunor, George Fant, Yosh Nijman)

Brown is a headache and rarely available for a full season (2018 and 2022 being the only times recently) but the external options are many steps below him in performance unless you’re willing to pay Williams high end money for mediocre at best performance.

It’s going to be a big problem for whoever the GM is.
 

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he’s definitely not “easily replaced”. The only way the Pats find a LT approaching the level he gives when healthy is taking Alt or Fashanu 3rd overall

the best external option in free agency is Wynn, hardly a paragon of good health. Maybe Tyron Smith if he’s not retained in Dallas but again always hurt. After that, Becton? Always hurt and awful.

next best options are overpaying for the mediocre Jonah Williams or picking through the backups available and hoping for the best (old friend Jermaine Eluemunor, George Fant, Yosh Nijman)

Brown is a headache and rarely available for a full season (2018 and 2022 being the only times recently) but the external options are many steps below him in performance unless you’re willing to pay Williams high end money for mediocre at best performance.

It’s going to be a big problem for whoever the GM is.
Oh my yes, he’s clearly sealed his fate with his comments recently. No f-ing way.

I’m not sure it’s that big a nightmare though: sign Onwenu and draft an LT high enough to be sure. That’s admittedly a use of the top draft capital, but so be it.
 

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he’s definitely not “easily replaced”. The only way the Pats find a LT approaching the level he gives when healthy is taking Alt or Fashanu 3rd overall

the best external option in free agency is Wynn, hardly a paragon of good health. Maybe Tyron Smith if he’s not retained in Dallas but again always hurt. After that, Becton? Always hurt and awful.

next best options are overpaying for the mediocre Jonah Williams or picking through the backups available and hoping for the best (old friend Jermaine Eluemunor, George Fant, Yosh Nijman)

Brown is a headache and rarely available for a full season (2018 and 2022 being the only times recently) but the external options are many steps below him in performance unless you’re willing to pay Williams high end money for mediocre at best performance.

It’s going to be a big problem for whoever the GM is.
Count me as skeptical that the 2024 Trent Brown will be any good. Injury luck seldom improves with aging, especially among OL.
 
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Oh my yes, he’s clearly sealed his fate with his comments recently. No f-ing way.

I’m not sure it’s that big a nightmare though: sign Onwenu and draft an LT high enough to be sure. That’s admittedly a use of the top draft capital, but so be it.
Yeah I agree he’s as good as gone but Onwenu probably can’t play LT (otherwise he’s the obvious option). And drafting a guy at 3 really makes it hard to see how they’ll be competitive moving forward. Alt blocking for Zappe or Jacoby Brissett isn’t a great path to being relevant in the AFC East
 
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Count me as skeptical that the 2024 Trent Brown will be any good. Injury luck seldom improves with aging, especially among OL.
So if injury luck seldom improves and your assertion that he’s easy to replace stands, my assumption is you think the Pats should and will draft a tackle 3rd overall and that guy is surely going to pan out?

Trent Brown, who I agree is a headache and very unlikely to be back, was still one of the better tackles in football for the games he did play this year. There isn’t anyone in free agency capable of playing LT with that quality of play, and when you eliminate guys with injury history, you’re left with Jonah Williams and a bunch of career backups.

im not seeing the “easy” replacements even in a world where Brown gives you 9-10 games of play. Who do you have in mind?
 

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Yeah I agree he’s as good as gone but Onwenu probably can’t play LT (otherwise he’s the obvious option). And drafting a guy at 3 really makes it hard to see how they’ll be competitive moving forward. Alt blocking for Zappe or Jacoby Brissett isn’t a great path to being relevant in the AFC East
You are correct, of course and Onwenu is my RT in this scenario.

In my addled brain I’ve turned 3 plus the second and whatever else to get a qb and an LT upper half first round.
 

skip wright

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im surprised bill gave him more money when he held out .......he may be talented when he decides to make the effort.i would get rid of him because he is lazy and you never know is he is gonna show up and make the effort .......i dont want our younger players exposed to that attitude