Nobody serious is anticipating that #3 will redshirt this year in Foxboro. This is a weird offshoot of the "we didn't get Calvin Ridley!!!111" conversation.I don't think #3 is redshirting either. He may take a seat for the first 4-8 games. But I can't imagine burning a whole year.
And yes, I know the Packers did with Jordan Love.
Seems most probable he won’t start the year and will take over as the season progresses (week 8?). Under those conditions is it worth burning cap vs pushing to next year or front loading contracts this year to create an optimal point in 2-3 years to GFIN as the #3 pick enters the last few years of his contract and has presumably been starting for 2 years?Nobody serious is anticipating that #3 will redshirt this year in Foxboro. This is a weird offshoot of the "we didn't get Calvin Ridley!!!111" conversation.
That's fair. We wouldn't want him starting until we're sure that the OL is better than the screen door on a submarine certainly. Hopefully that's only a few weeks. And agreed that we probably should be looking at a point beyond 2024 for the GFIN phase. I love the idea of spending cap now via some frontloading strategy to free up cap later.Seems most probable he won’t start the year and will take over as the season progresses (week 8?). Under those conditions is it worth burning cap vs pushing to next year or front loading contracts this year to create an optimal point in 2-3 years to GFIN as the #3 pick enters the last few years of his contract and has presumably been starting for 2 years?
There has been some discussion that if it's Maye he would get time to rebuild his footwork/motion before the put him in the fire, whether that is 4, 8, or even the full season.Nobody serious is anticipating that #3 will redshirt this year in Foxboro. This is a weird offshoot of the "we didn't get Calvin Ridley!!!111" conversation.
A full season seems crazy. I don't see any reason why he can't work on his mechanics continuously, even while he's getting starts.There has been some discussion that if it's Maye he would get time to rebuild his footwork/motion before the put him in the fire, whether that is 4, 8, or even the full season.
It's a lot to put on a guy's plate, and often the footwork goes out the window when they're trying to read a defense, react, avoid the rush, etc. Just look at Mac... he came into year 2 with all this talk about how he spent camp working on footwork... first preseason game he saw a bit of pressure and it was back foot.A full season seems crazy. I don't see any reason why he can't work on his mechanics continuously, even while he's getting starts.
I don't think throwing off your back foot in the face of pressure is fixable with mechanics coaching, it's a lot more related to toughness, ability to perceive space and timing, many more innate components. Now, throwing from a solid platform from clean pockets/being more consistent in repeating mechanics with good footwork are teachable, and it's what happened to Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and even Mahomes to a lesser extent. Maye could use that so he'd stop missing as many layups and spraying the ball at times, but if you're flinching in the face of pressure like Mac was, you're toast, man. Especially if you don't have the arm to throw the ball on a rope while fading away from the rush. Fatal flaw.It's a lot to put on a guy's plate, and often the footwork goes out the window when they're trying to read a defense, react, avoid the rush, etc. Just look at Mac... he came into year 2 with all this talk about how he spent camp working on footwork... first preseason game he saw a bit of pressure and it was back foot.
I don't think it would be full season for Maye, but maybe 6 or 8 weeks to get him settled in, get the muscle memory going, let him be in the film sessions seeing live play, then make the switch. Full season would be if the progress is slow or he picks up an injury... or if the line is crushed by injuries like last year. Let the line jell too, so he's stepping in the most prepared and with the most prepared teammates he can.
Because apparently this has to be decided RIGHT NOWWhy can't it be as simple as he will get as much leash as he shows he deserves? If he's playing well in camp and pre-season then he will start if he looks like confused dogshit he won't.
All battles are lost before they are fought! (Wonder if Bill took that plaque with him or just chucked it in the Gillette dumpster.)Because apparently this has to be decided RIGHT NOW
To be fair, much as I don't think much of the Union, my sense is that the reason that the floor doesn't really play is that teams just manage their cash spending to the cap. What the players negotiated in 2011 was that they managed to make sure the spending is real cash spending, and ended the prior practice of giving ridiculous bonuses that couldn't be achieved (asking the kicker to lead the team in tackles etc.). As far as I can tell, teams do actually spend real cash within the various periods to meet their requirements. It's just that cap accounting tactics (proration, void years, etc.) are sufficiently flexible to allow teams to basically move their actual cash spending to whichever years they want that spending to be booked in. That's not terrible manipulation - where the real manipulation happens is what actually counts as revenue that has to be shared under the cap.It would be keeping in character for the Players Union to negotiate for something that looked good on paper but was ultimately meaningless because it could easily be sidestepped or manipulated by the owners.
For the four-League Year period covering the 2017–2020 League Years, there shall be a guaranteed Minimum Team Cash Spending of 89% of the Salary Caps for such period.
For each of the following multi-League-Year periods 2021–2023 (three League Years), 2024–2026 (three League Years), and 2027–2030 (four League Years), there shall be a guaranteed Minimum Team Cash Spending of 90% of the Salary Caps for such periods.
Maye has the arm to throw ropes on one leg. It's probably his biggest selling point. Him executing NFL throws under pressure off-platform is probably the only thing that I'm not worried about with him. He can also get outside and downfield when the pressure is too much for any QB to handle. It's his accuracy off-platform that's sometimes suspect, which is fixable with teaching as you note.I don't think throwing off your back foot in the face of pressure is fixable with mechanics coaching, it's a lot more related to toughness, ability to perceive space and timing, many more innate components. Now, throwing from a solid platform from clean pockets/being more consistent in repeating mechanics with good footwork are teachable, and it's what happened to Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and even Mahomes to a lesser extent. Maye could use that so he'd stop missing as many layups and spraying the ball at times, but if you're flinching in the face of pressure like Mac was, you're toast, man. Especially if you don't have the arm to throw the ball on a rope while fading away from the rush. Fatal flaw.
I don't think that was a thing. To the extent it happened those would have been NLTBE bonuses and would not have counted against the cap unless earned. I think the fear was what was happening in MLB with some teams perpetually having low payrolls.ended the prior practice of giving ridiculous bonuses that couldn't be achieved (asking the kicker to lead the team in tackles etc.).
Yeah, Maye does, Mac didn't, which is why I don't think it would be a fatal flaw to him. I also like his aggressivenes and think he's the best intermediate middle of the field thrower in the class, and that's where high level QBs live in the NFL. I also believe he's tougher than Mac and most of his fade away throws are to buy time to get the ball out due to his delivery being slower than I'd like, and not necessarily a fear of the rush (and due to the arm talent, the ball can get there). I really like him as a prospect and to me the footwork stuff is very fixable, I do worry a bit about his trigger, though. Feel he's not always on time with the read and he needs to be because the ball doesn't come out fast with his motion.Maye has the arm to throw ropes on one leg. It's probably his biggest selling point. Him executing NFL throws under pressure off-platform is probably the only thing that I'm not worried about with him. He can also get outside and downfield when the pressure is too much for any QB to handle. It's his accuracy off-platform that's sometimes suspect, which is fixable with teaching as you note.
Yeah his reads are supposedly a bit slow for sure, another area of possible development.Yeah, Maye does, Mac didn't, which is why I don't think it would be a fatal flaw to him. I also like his aggressivenes and think he's the best intermediate middle of the field thrower in the class, and that's where high level QBs live in the NFL. I also believe he's tougher than Mac and most of his fade away throws are to buy time to get the ball out due to his delivery being slower than I'd like, and not necessarily a fear of the rush (and due to the arm talent, the ball can get there). I really like him as a prospect and to me the footwork stuff is very fixable, I do worry a bit about his trigger, though. Feel he's not always on time with the read and he needs to be because the ball doesn't come out fast with his motion.
At this point it sure looks like the plan is punt on 2024. The chances of landing a franchise QB, high end LT and starting WR in the draft class are very slim simply because most prospects fail. So why throw Maye to the wolves with Okorafor or McDermott protecting his blindside and Bourne/Douglas as his top receivers?A lot of them do? I think it's dumb to redshirt a top 3 pick and waste time when he could be learning the offense and the league in game reps unless he is totally not getting it in practice, in which case you have bigger problems. We don't have a hall of famer for the new guy to learn from and we're most likely not having a prospect fall to us in the 20s like GB did, twice.
I don't think missing on Allen is a huge problem but I'd feel a lot better if they added a veteran to the worst receivers room in the league.
If the plan is to suck for another high pick then sure, throw Brissett out there all year I guess. But you don't learn a whole lot about what you have.
You are right, I was mixing up a bunch of facts about 2011 in my mind. What 2011 allowed was cap to be carried over formally, rather than the practice of issuing ridiculous NLTBE bonuses like what I described in order to say they weren’t earned and thus allowing that cap space to be carried over. Previously it was use it or lose itI don't think that was a thing. To the extent it happened those would have been NLTBE bonuses and would not have counted against the cap unless earned. I think the fear was what was happening in MLB with some teams perpetually having low payrolls.
Post Malone weepsI'd kick the tires with Gallup, only be 28 next season.
Mac Jones Mac Jonesed Mac Jones.They're going to Mac Jones whoever they pick at #3 aren't they?
Dammit. That seemed like SUCH an easy, obvious sign for the Patriots. No idea if they even put in an effort, if they even wanted him. But they had a glaring need, tons of cap space, and an opportunity to sign him. (kind of like Boston and Montgomery)
By all accounts they were in on him. But let's be honest, all they could offer was the most money. Most guys go for that, but Smith may have been more interested in a playoff rosterDammit. That seemed like SUCH an easy, obvious sign for the Patriots. No idea if they even put in an effort, if they even wanted him. But they had a glaring need, tons of cap space, and an opportunity to sign him. (kind of like Boston and Montgomery)
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Man, that stings.
Yup. People (especially in the media) have to realize that this is going to have to be rebuilt through the draft like everyone else. There are no quick fixes.There's not a single Patriots player or coach any free agent would come to Foxboro specifically to play with or for. Mystique and Aura have danced their last dance. We're basically the 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs.
Really? You're not sure they "even put in an effort?" Is it difficult to envision why a premium-tier guy on the back nine might choose a playoff-bound team rather than being an Act I character in the Patriots Rebuild?Dammit. That seemed like SUCH an easy, obvious sign for the Patriots. No idea if they even put in an effort, if they even wanted him. But they had a glaring need, tons of cap space, and an opportunity to sign him. (kind of like Boston and Montgomery)
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We never wanted him anyways. He's old and always hurt!
He had some flashes in run blocking but nothing like his rookie year where he was smashing guys regularly. He has had injuries. I hope he figures it out. I wouldn’t want him protecting a rookie right now.Becton is still a free agent. Always wary of signing Jets castoffs, and he hasn't been great for them, but he has enough talent to be a first round pick not that long ago. Worth a shot?
No, I literally meant that I have no idea if they even liked him and pursued him. Maybe they didn't want him at all. I wasn't saying anything in the affirmative. I was just saying I don't know what their level of interest even was. Maybe they're thinking about this totally differently than I am, or maybe they're thinking the same and he just chose the Jets for reasons you suggest - though the Jets can hardly be called, at this point, a "playoff-bound team". They seem like a better bet than New England but they're hardly any sort of playoff lock.Really? You're not sure they "even put in an effort?" Is it difficult to envision why a premium-tier guy on the back nine might choose a playoff-bound team rather than being an Act I character in the Patriots Rebuild?
Rodgers had no blind spots because he does his own research.When you have an opportunity to protect Aaron Roger's third-eye's blind-side it's hard to pass.
He can READ!Rodgers had no blind spots because he does his own research.
Then why did he sign with the Jets?By all accounts they were in on him. But let's be honest, all they could offer was the most money. Most guys go for that, but Smith may have been more interested in a playoff roster
People want to play for winners. If you win you get some concessions on $ for offering other benefits (winning, coaching, better chance for great contract after a short stint winning). It’s not complicated. No need to go back 15 years or 40.I remember back in the early 90s, NO free agents wanted to play for New England. Then we had a 20+ year run where they all did. Have we fallen back towards that already? Not trying to be hyperbolic, legit asking the Q. The shine seems gone until we hit in the draft and then create a couple home grown stars, which can then hopefully attract others. Judon's lobbying doesn't seems to be enough.
I think if we want a historical comparison it's 1993. Blank slate. Develop some homegrown talent, show some potential, and we'll get some FA interest.People want to play for winners. If you win you get some concessions on $ for offering other benefits (winning, coaching, better chance for great contract after a short stint winning). It’s not complicated. No need to go back 15 years or 40.
Everything is a blind spot in total immersion darkness.Rodgers had no blind spots because he does his own research.