Funny, my first thought was that maybe the Mariners are back in on SnellGiants out on Imanaga?
link?Sounds like Mariners making another trade with Rays as well.
Yeah I would say this likely takes the Giants out of the SP market, but they did trade a SP in this deal so who knows.
It’s pretty centered around the idea of trading Yoshida and signing Teoscar.The athletic has a new piece on Boston moves, but paywalled.
According to people with knowledge of their conversations, the team remains engaged in talks that could significantly alter its outfield alignment even further.
Several teams have inquired about Yoshida, and while the Red Sox do not appear to be actively shopping him, they are open to virtually any idea as they seek to build a better roster.
FWIW becoming a little optimistic on the Sox acquiring both Iamanaga and Hernandez. That plus Giolito and Grissom would make for a good offseason.The athletic has a new piece on Boston moves, but paywalled.
Ray doesn't help a whole lot this year. He's out until at least the All Star break. If the Giants needed a starter yesterday, they still need one today.Yeah I would say this likely takes the Giants out of the SP market, but they did trade a SP in this deal so who knows.
I would think this takes one suitor out of the SP market and 1 suitor out of the Teoscar market, both I think could affect the Sox.
Right? Exchange of two underwater contracts for next year but then dumping two more years of Ray. Not a bad move, even if Ray rebounds in the next season or so.Funny, my first thought was that maybe the Mariners are back in on Snell
Which might mean they got a signal from Imanaga's team...?Ray doesn't help a whole lot this year. He's out until at least the All Star break. If the Giants needed a starter yesterday, they still need one today.
I dumped my Glob sub and am paying the Athletic now. I'd rather not prop up PeteAbe and CHB when I could support Rosenthal and Jen McCaffrey.Stealing from the poorly paid people propping up an essential industry that's slowly being strangled to death is cool.
What’s the difference of me doing that or one of the guys in this forum posting all the key quotes from the article into this thread? I think The Athletic will be fine.Stealing from the poorly paid people propping up an essential industry that's slowly being strangled to death is cool.
Did anyone suggest that to be the case?I don't see how trading Yoshida could possibly help in their pursuit of Imanaga?
The Athletic suggests the Sox are open to trading Yoshida. No mention of Imanaga though.Did anyone suggest that to be the case?
I'm basing it on the posts above that said the majority of the Athletic article (which i haven't read) spoke about the possibility, in addition to Imanaga definitley signing a deal in the next 6 days. Thats allDid anyone suggest that to be the case?
Please do us all a favor and post links when you let us know about things like this so we don't have to go searching for the details. It really helps add to the discussion if we have those details.Sounds like Mariners making another trade with Rays as well.
It’s pretty centered around the idea of trading Yoshida and signing Teoscar.
So not actively shopping him but would at the right price... Just like with any playerSeveral teams have inquired about Yoshida, and while the Red Sox do not appear to be actively shopping him, they are open to virtually any idea as they seek to build a better roster.
If you want something, pay for it. Otherwise you're a thief. There's not really a ton of grey area here.What’s the difference of me doing that or one of the guys in this forum posting all the key quotes from the article into this thread? I think The Athletic will be fine.
I would imagine if Baltimore were looking to acquire pitching with young player capital, it would be for someone with more control given how cheap they are. Cease isn't going to be particularly cheap and if he's good, will be looking for a contract going forward that I can't even imagine that ownership group paying. They have the capital to overwhelm a team looking to move someone more controllable.I don't see how Cease ends up anywhere but BAL, they have way too many prospects to use and a major need for SPs. I think any other noise around him is just trying to get BAL to include better prospects.
The article only says that teams have inquired about Yoshida, but the Sox aren't actively shopping him. That's basically "hey, you never know!" rather than any actual rumor.The Athletic suggests the Sox are open to trading Yoshida. No mention of Imanaga though.
Me using a standard feature on every search engine is not thievery. I don’t need to be patronized about morals on a baseball forum. Also I pay for The Athletic, this is just for those who maybe can’t afford to subscribe.If you want something, pay for it. Otherwise you're a thief. There's not really a ton of grey area here.
And, uhh, no, the Athletic will not be fine. Are you remotely familiar with the financial state of journalism today?
I really don't think they are contemplating dumping him. They aren't as prone to overreaction as the winter stove conversation would have you believe.I'd like to give Yoshida a second year to see if he can improve conditioning etc. to be more of his first half version than the second half.
If push comes to shove, dont' dump him for nothing.
Fair enough... everyone is going stir-crazy this offseason with this glacial pace.I really don't think they are contemplating dumping him. They aren't as prone to overreaction as the winter stove conversation would have you believe.
They literally have an offer up right now that is $1.99 per month for the first 12 months. If you are as much of an enthusiast as the majority of us on here, it seems pretty darn affordable.Me using a standard feature on every search engine is not thievery. I don’t need to be patronized about morals on a baseball forum. Also I pay for The Athletic, this is just for those who maybe can’t afford to subscribe.
In the religion of ancient Rome, a haruspex[a] was a person trained to practise a form of divination called haruspicy,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruspex#cite_note-2 the inspection of the entrails[c] of sacrificed animals, especially the livers of sacrificed sheep and poultry.
Club officials consider the outfield an area of depth and possible foundation for additional moves.
Hernández, who would address the Red Sox’s need for power, remains a point of focus. But according to one person with knowledge of the talks, the Red Sox prefer to tackle other areas of the roster and reduce payroll before committing to the free agent. Several teams have inquired about Yoshida, and while the Red Sox do not appear to be actively shopping him, they are open to virtually any idea as they seek to build a better roster.
If the Red Sox indeed found a trade partner for Yoshida and pursued Hernández, they could slot Hernández into right field with O’Neill in left. Duran could share time in center and left with one of Rafaela, Abreu or Refsndyer as a fourth outfielder. The addition of Hernández would likely give time for either Rafaela or Abreu to further develop in Triple A.
Earlier this winter, The Athletic projected Hernández to sign a four-year, $80 million deal. Yoshida is owed $72 million over the next four years, including $18.6 million in 2024. Even if the Red Sox included cash to facilitate a deal, as they did with Sale, the savings could be significant.
My point wasn't that it's not possible for us to sign bigger free agents while not making any Top 10 Most ideal FA Destination lists. Just that the lower your team's face value appeal level comes in within a competive bidding scenario, the more likely it is for a GM to find themselves in a spot where you are forced into paying the tax Texas did there to make that Seager deal actually happen. Which at the time certainly had it's same squeamish surface qualities to it that I would generally expect in any accepted offer we make that ends up trumping their field on Snell this winter.Sometimes the right top free agent signing proceeds the winning. See: Seager and the Rangers. Not saying that's the way to do it, just that there are many angles in back to winning. I suspect if the Sox sign a high profile guy (say, Snell), it might make them a more attractive destination for other top players.
Meanwhile, I always thought it was "keep the prospect trade chip powder dry" until you are winning, not the FA powder. You let go of some top prospect player assets when you gotta get over the hump.
Yeah, a crazy long contract for a 31-year-old pitcher would be concerning - I get it. I also think if they get Snell, it could have an overall positive effect on building a winning culture and sorta the start of "reestablishing" the Red Sox.
I can read that through my sub to the NYT. The most interesting part, to me, was the Sox sending trainer Kiyoshi Momose to Japan this winter to work with Masa on ways to improve endurance.The athletic has a new piece on Boston moves, but paywalled.
It also may help remove the Mariners from the Cease sweepstakes, which they were rumored to be a part of (barring future trades). They've got at least 6 viable SP options: Castillo, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Miller, deSclafani, with Emerson Hancock waiting in the wings.Yeah I would say this likely takes the Giants out of the SP market, but they did trade a SP in this deal so who knows.
I would think this takes one suitor out of the SP market and 1 suitor out of the Teoscar market, both I think could affect the Sox.
BTW, it seems like with 20/20 hindsight the Angels failing to trade Ohtani at the deadline last year was a disaster.It's so hard to see a path of competitiveness for the Angels without trading Trout. They gutted their farm last year and with the number of teams improving (on paper) in the AL I find it hard to believe they will be relevant.
In other words any player is available for a certain price. Thats not really news... But some reporters wont like that distinction (that they are not actively shopping him) from continuing to say this proves they are no longer a "big market team" Chris should know better then to stoop to engagement farming like thatHey here's a link to the actual article:
https://theathletic.com/5181832/2024/01/05/teoscar-hernandez-masataka-yoshida-red-sox-moves/
Here's some quotes:
Cotillo is on twitter saying this is more evidence of the Sox acting like a small-market team. So I guess people can actually get paid to act like CHB commenters and misinterpreting some words from somewhere to match the thoughts in your head. It's an ancient story of humanity's failings, I know. Or he just doesn't understand "evidence."Hey here's a link to the actual article:
https://theathletic.com/5181832/2024/01/05/teoscar-hernandez-masataka-yoshida-red-sox-moves/
Here's some quotes:
Who cares what Chris Cotillo tweets?In other words any player is available for a certain price. Thats not really news... But some reporters wont like that distinction (that they are not actively shopping him) from continuing to say this proves they are no longer a "big market team" Chris should know better then to stoop to engagement farming like that
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1743370253730508852
Yeah, that’s a good point. Besides the Dodgers, what teams are actually spending this offseason? Most teams aren’t very active so far.It’s possible they are acting like more of a, let’s say, upper-middle class team. But there’s simply no way to know until the puzzle is complete.
It's not in the Athletic report in question at all. Are you talking about something else?Well, I think the key point, one that nobody wants to hear, is that the Sox are looking to reduce payroll before they make any other FA signings. It’s come up in several reports and is usually dismissed as being fake news, but seems like there could be a there there.
I would say definitely not. IMHO, he has sold out.Was Cotillo always as garbage as he's been this winter and I just never realized it till now?
The Ray deal the Giants made seems a reaction to the asking prices for starting pitching being off the charts.The person told NJ Advance Media of a growing belief within the organization that left-hander Jordan Montgomery is headed back to the Rangers — and not returning to the Yankees.
Other problematic situations for the Yankees:
— Blake Snell, another free agent lefty, won’t be an option for the Yankees unless agent Scott Boras lowers his contract demands.
— The Yankees have no interest in left-hander Shota Imanaga, another Japanese star who has been posted, because he’s a flyball pitcher who wouldn’t be a fit for Yankee Stadium.
— As for two aces being shopped, White Sox right-hander Dylan Cease and Brewers righty Corbin Burnes, chances are neither will be moved before spring training because the asking prices are too steep.
It is.It's not in the Athletic report in question at all. Are you talking about something else?
The small market approach that Cotillo is banging on about has been hinted at numerous times, but there is never any reporting. At most there are industry sources saying that they hear or think they Sox are acting like a small-market team, but while that is possible, it's more likely an indication of their negotiating strategy or their interest, suggested above, in making space for the purpose of increased flexibility. What we aren't seeing is any reporting that they want to reduce payroll solely for the sake of reducing payroll.It's not in the Athletic report in question at all. Are you talking about something else?
But according to one person with knowledge of the talks, the Red Sox prefer to tackle other areas of the roster and reduce payroll before committing to the free agent.
Maybe, but what else would a GM say to an agent in this kind of situation? Totally guessing here, but I don’t think Breslow (or anyone) would say, We’re interested in Teoscar, but we have got to secure a trade for Duran/Yoshida first.Well, I think the key point, one that nobody wants to hear, is that the Sox are looking to reduce payroll before they make any other FA signings. It’s come up in several reports and is usually dismissed as being fake news, but seems like there could be a there there.