Noe Ramirez called up, JBJ sent down

[soxhop411]

Maureen Mullen ‏@MaureenaMullen  39s39 seconds ago
Hearing RHP Noe Ramirez getting called up by redsox.
 
 
Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB  7m7 minutes ago
Jackie Bradley packing up his locker.

 

[Rasputin]

So the roster is what now?
 
We only have three folks listed as outfielders which I guess makes Holt the #4 with Marrero backing up the whole infield when there's both an OF and an IF out of the lineup.
 
JBJ can get everyday playing time. Castillo can get everyday playing time. We're back to 13 pitchers which we need because Fucking Masterson is pitching tonight.
 
I don't think we can keep this up very long so I think they need to get Clay reacclimated to Ryan Hanigan so we can ditch Sandy Leon and have a roster that isn't skirting the edge of insanity.
 
Also...if we didn't have Holt, this would be over the edge into insanity.

 

[Rasputin]

 

 
Maureen Mullen ‏@MaureenaMullen  38s38 seconds ago
Looks like DL for Swihart.
 

 
Or not. If Bradley is gone and Swihart is on the DL, someone else should be coming.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

What the hell happen to Swihart

 

[soxhop411]

 
 
 
 
Or not. If Bradley is gone and Swihart is on the DL, someone else should be coming.
 

We also need a spot on the 40 man, as Noe is not on it

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Victorino imminent.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

Is it worth mentioning that Nava seems to have just started a rehab assignment?

 

[soxhop411]

Zeke Spruill DFA.

 

[Rasputin]

Tom Caron just tweeted that Victorino was activated so its Vic active, Swihart DL, Noe Ramirez up, JBJ down, Spruill DFA to make room on the 40.

 

[Humphrey]

Masterson can't be starting any more after this, can he?

 

[Thelobsterroll]

Steven Wright time?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Steven Wright time?

Assuming 4-man rotation through the ASB with two off days the odd man of Porcello/Masterson can eat bullpen innings. We shouldn't need this many arms after Sunday.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

Wouldn't Wright allow us to not have either Masterson or Porcello pitch?

 

[Darnell's Son]

Wouldn't Wright allow us to not have either Masterson or Porcello pitch?

So you're proposing they just waste a roster spot?

 

[SoxinSeattle]

Isn't wasting a spot exactly what Masterson and Porcello are doing now?

 

[Thelobsterroll]

DFA Masterson, send Porcella to the bullpen and install Wright in the rotation. Sounds like a good plan to me.

 

[Adrian's Dome]

DFA Masterson, send Porcella to the bullpen and install Wright in the rotation. Sounds like a good plan to me.

 
You don't put Porcello in the bullpen.
 
What exactly you do with him outside of keep throwing him out there and hope he rights the ship, I'm not sure, but the answer definitely isn't making your new 20m a year man a middle reliever.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

 
You don't put Porcello in the bullpen.
 
What exactly you do with him outside of keep throwing him out there and hope he rights the ship, I'm not sure, but the answer definitely isn't making your new 20m a year man a middle reliever.

It seems a better plan then sending out subpar pitching when better options exist. Also at this point I wouldn't make him s middle reliever. He gets to pitch only in blow outs.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

We are all glad that you don't run our favorite baseball team.

 

[Montana Fan]

It seems a better plan then sending out subpar pitching when better options exist. Also at this point I wouldn't make him s middle reliever. He gets to pitch only in blow outs.

 
So no change then.

 

[Plympton91]

The other question is why they thought Ramirez's slop would play at the major league level?

 

[InsideTheParker]

The other question is why they thought Ramirez's slop would play at the major league level?

On the other side of the ledger, doesn't the existence of pitchers like Ramirez at the AAA level make you doubt all the great numbers of the batters against them and other AAA pitchers? Everyone is surprised when they can't hit at the major league level, too.

 

[Byrdbrain]

Hinojosa pitched 3 innings for the PawSox yesterday so there is no point in bringing him up right now. I guess Ramirez will stick around for a bit but what we saw last night wasn't a major league pitcher, I don't like the idea of rushing Light up just yet but damn this bullpen is awful.

 

[Scott Cooper]

Before DFA for Masterson I'd see what he can do out of the bullpen. Can't be much worse than Barnes.

 

[Otis Foster]

 
Maureen Mullen ‏@MaureenaMullen  39s39 seconds ago
Hearing RHP Noe Ramirez getting called up by redsox.
 
 
Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB  7m7 minutes ago
Jackie Bradley packing up his locker.
 

 
 
Jesus Christ, this is bordering on unfair to JBJ. He needs an opportunity to play regularly for a protracted period of time in this close-to-lost season. If you don't trust or like him, then trade him for whatever you can get, and prepare yourself for the possibility he hits his ceiling somewhere else.
 
Presumably, BC initiated or approved the JBJ hop. I really dislike the way BC has handled this season. If he screws up the 2016 season, he should be pink-slipped.

 

[Maximus]

Put Masterson and eventually Kelley in the pen, Johnson or Wright to the rotation and send Noe Ramirez down.

 

[Coachster]

What we need are guys in the pen with actual major league innings under their belts. There is no reason why Steven Wright shouldn't be in Boston right now. We've had to use Ogando and Layne in the 5th in the past two nights. Perfect spot for the knuckleball. Claim Neftali Feliz. I'm still angry we didn't claim Ronald Belasario. Get Joba, as odious as that might be. He's better than our AAAA guys. Tom Gorzelanny is better than Breslow. This seems like a no-brainer to me. Oh wait....it's our front office.....

 

[soxhop411]

“@TimBritton: Steven Wright is at Fenway Park now. Guessing it’s for Ramirez.”

 

[HomeRunBaker]

 
 
Jesus Christ, this is bordering on unfair to JBJ. He needs an opportunity to play regularly for a protracted period of time in this close-to-lost season. If you don't trust or like him, then trade him for whatever you can get, and prepare yourself for the possibility he hits his ceiling somewhere else.
 
Presumably, BC initiated or approved the JBJ hop. I really dislike the way BC has handled this season. If he screws up the 2016 season, he should be pink-slipped.

What would be unfair to the TEAM is handing Boston AB's to a less deserving player who has an OPS+ of 53 over nearly 600 ML plate appearances. This isn't a shellshocked 20-year old.....this is JBJ's 3rd season of having an opportunity to succeed. At some point the onus is on the player to perform.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

We are all glad that you don't run our favorite baseball team.

Do you care to elaborate. One sentence of snark doesn't add much to the conversation.

 

[Rasputin]

Barnes, Aro, Ramirez, Hembree, Hinojosa...they've all been mediocre to terrible. Disapointing to see that so many of the AAA players who get called up seem to be shell shocked.

Assume that Ramirez stays up? Hinojosa looks like the only pitcher who could replace him without a 40-man roster move (although removing
Noe from that would hardly be a catastrophe).

Because you're supposed to be awesome right out of the gate or you're terrible. There's no allowing for an adjustment period or anything.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

What would be unfair to the TEAM is handing Boston AB's to a less deserving player who has an OPS+ of 53 over nearly 600 ML plate appearances. This isn't a shellshocked 20-year old.....this is JBJ's 3rd season of having an opportunity to succeed. At some point the onus is on the player to perform.

And he started to do so this call-up, having finally been given a reasonable chance with some starts against non-elite starting pitching, and making some good contact for outs in addition to his overall line.

Certainly, that June batting line isn't setting the world on fire, but let's be honest. His role on the 2015 team was always going to riding the AAA shuttle. Even a .300/.400/.500 line over almost a week's worth of plate appearances would have meant packing up his locker to make room for Victorino.

Whether that's fair or what's best for any party involved, whatever. But you can't reasonably consider two separate call-ups, the first of 13 PA and the second of 22 PA, to count as "having an opportunity to succeed." That's simply disingenuous. JBJ had an opportunity to succeed last season, and fell flat on his face with one of the worst batting lines I've ever witnessed. That being said, he has never been given any opportunity to succeed this season, after he changed his swing back to the one that made him a top prospect in the first place.

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

We'll all appreciate Bradley when he's hitting .270/.350/.380 for a different team next year and the "Castillo Conundrum" thread reaches page 110.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

And he started to do so this call-up, having finally been given a reasonable chance with some starts against non-elite starting pitching, and making some good contact for outs in addition to his overall line.

Certainly, that June batting line isn't setting the world on fire, but let's be honest. His role on the 2015 team was always going to riding the AAA shuttle. Even a .300/.400/.500 line over almost a week's worth of plate appearances would have meant packing up his locker to make room for Victorino.

Whether that's fair or what's best for any party involved, whatever. But you can't reasonably consider two separate call-ups, the first of 13 PA and the second of 22 PA, to count as "having an opportunity to succeed." That's simply disingenuous. JBJ had an opportunity to succeed last season, and fell flat on his face with one of the worst batting lines I've ever witnessed. That being said, he has never been given any opportunity to succeed this season, after he changed his swing back to the one that made him a top prospect in the first place.

No opportunity whatsoever? He had 35 PA's w 4 hits and 10 K's. Is that a great opportunity of course not however his primary competition for a reserve/platoon role in De Aza went 11 for his first 37. Had those numbers been reversed we may have seen De Aza DFA'd and JBJ still in Boston. At some point he is going to have to perform in a small sample because as you recognized he failed miserably in a large one.

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

No opportunity whatsoever? He had 35 PA's w 4 hits and 10 K's. Is that a great opportunity of course not however his primary competition for a reserve/platoon role in De Aza went 11 for his first 37. Had those numbers been reversed we may have seen De Aza DFA'd and JBJ still in Boston. At some point he is going to have to perform in a small sample because as you recognized he failed miserably in a large one.

 
Let me guess: you were shitting on Bogaerts back in April also?