I want pitchers in general (LEAGUE WIDE) to stop getting injured.. its like a daily thing at this point. Its absurd and is destroying the gameSo begins the problems.
The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
5 innings is pretty much the benchmark for distance on any staff these days. And yet elbows keep blowing up all over the league.If he misses any significant time, the pitching will start to fall apart even faster than predicted. The Sox already have three starters where you are hoping for five innings.
Pitchers are throwing harder and with more movement. That is the cost of explosive pitching on the body.I want pitchers in general (LEAGUE WIDE) to stop getting injured.. its like a daily thing at this point. Its absurd and is destroying the game
Resets X days without an MLB pitcher getting injured to ZERO
Yep, here we go. Assuming BB is replaced by Criswell in a few days once he’s available? Or do they move Winck? Ugh.So begins the problems.
The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
Winckowski with Anderson following most likely5 innings is pretty much the benchmark for distance on any staff these days. And yet elbows keep blowing up all over the league.
Who starts tomorrow? I imagine Bernardino is up for today, but they will eventually need a starter. Maybe with the days off they move everyone up a day and figure it out later?
Yeah, these aren’t Lincecum types. These are workhorses like Cole, Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down.Guys like Framber and Pivetta going down with elbow injuries should scare the living shit out of everybody.
Sandy Alcantara last seasonYeah, these aren’t Lincecum types. These are workhorses like Cole, Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down.
Winck is a good bet but Anderson threw a lot of pitches Sunday. Bullpen otherwise hasn't been used since Saturday, so we got that going for us....Winckowski with Anderson following most likely
The poster above was right Cooper's turn inWinck is a good bet but Anderson threw a lot of pitches Sunday. Bullpen otherwise hasn't been used since Saturday, so we got that going for us....
It's really fucking crazy. I'll just add that we should probably wait and see the diagnosis/prognosis Before assuming too much. Not fucking easy to say the least....The sweeper claims another victim. This one was previously believed to be indestructible.
The good thing with the off-day yesterday is that they could move everyone up a day and slot Anderson at the end of the line, which would give him plenty of time to recover from his Sunday outing. And that 60+ pitch effort probably means he's stretched out enough to get to 80-85 pitches when he starts.Winck is a good bet but Anderson threw a lot of pitches Sunday. Bullpen otherwise hasn't been used since Saturday, so we got that going for us....
Yeah, that was my thought as well, and it would even give them time to figure out if they want to go with Anderson or Criswell at the 5. So on regular rest you'd have Crawford, Whit, and Houck, with options, as uninspiring as they are, for Saturday.The good thing with the off-day yesterday is that they could move everyone up a day and slot Anderson at the end of the line, which would give him plenty of time to recover from his Sunday outing. And that 60+ pitch effort probably means he's stretched out enough to get to 80-85 pitches when he starts.
Given that it was Bernardino that was called up, my assumption is that will be the case.
So Winckowski is your only option. MiLB.com lied to me.Criswell pitched on Sunday.
Give it time.Sale and Paxton have pitched well in their first two starts. The baseball gods have a twisted sense of humor.
I would be willing to bet that two guys that get hurt a lot are eventually going to get hurt in this league where every pitcher seems to be getting hurt.Sale and Paxton have pitched well in their first two starts. The baseball gods have a twisted sense of humor.
… whereas I’m looking at the Sox payroll and the idiocy of the offseason and am stuck on rage.Can I be hopeful that they bothered to make his IL stint retroactive to the 6th? Like maybe the extra couple of days might matter, because he might not be out that long?
No I can't, can I?
I must have already moved on to the bargaining stage of rotation grief.
Nothing wrong with being hopeful. If I were a GM, I'd be backdating IL stints as much as possible just on the hope that the player could be back that much sooner. There's no real downside to it.Can I be hopeful that they bothered to make his IL stint retroactive to the 6th? Like maybe the extra couple of days might matter, because he might not be out that long?
No I can't, can I?
I must have already moved on to the bargaining stage of rotation grief.
Yeah, this is getting really scary, and I worry that it’s the new pitch-development stuff. But it’s hard to say, because it’s not as though pitchers as a group were ever terribly durable.
Anecdotally, my nephew was a pitcher at a top NJ school. Got his velocity into the high 80s as a sophomore but killed himself training getting there. Developed a rotator cuff injury that never healed properly and is now done. Had D1 future. His coaches were tracking spin rates and all that, even at HS level.Yeah, this is getting really scary, and I worry that it’s the new pitch-development stuff. But it’s hard to say, because it’s not as though pitchers as a group were ever terribly durable.
Because they should have known Giolito and Pivetta would go down?… whereas I’m looking at the Sox payroll and the idiocy of the offseason and am stuck on rage.
It is not clear there is any way to predict injuries. There was no reason I am aware of to think Giolito was going to miss the entire year.Pivetta and Giolito were the two guys you expected to anchor the staff and provide big innings. Tough blow.
The Sox rotation has averaged 5.3 innings per start, which is league average. This is the new normal.The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
Yes, they should have. Pitchers get hurt and good teams prepare for that. For a big market team like the Red Sox, they should prepare for it by using their outsized financial resources to build up pitching depth, not be so afraid of pitching injuries that they never sign another free agent pitcher again.Because they should have known Giolito and Pivetta would go down?
Thee amount of pitching injuries league-wide should be sounding alarm bells at MLB HQ...Yes, they should have. Pitchers get hurt and good teams prepare for that. For a big market team like the Red Sox, they should prepare for it by using their outsized financial resources to build up pitching depth, not be so afraid of pitching injuries that they never sign another free agent pitcher again.
Yes. They signed a free agent pitcher . . . while trading one and letting another one walk, thus totally failing to improve the depth of what was the fatal flaw of the 2023 team.They signed a free agent pitcher.
Oh, I didn’t mean *our* new pitching program. I meant the leaguewide trends, especially insofar as they mean increased offseason workloads. I don’t see any indication that Breslow or Bailey or the other folks they hired are doing anything other than the current state of the art. I’m worried about that state of the art.If it were just happening here, I would be worried about the new pitch development program, but it’s happening all over the league. The way that pitchers have to pitch in the modern MLB game to be effective is literally destroying their arms.