This pool report is an absolute tire fire
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I wish the reporter asked him why he hip checked Marsh.This pool report is an absolute tire fire
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Followed up by asking why didn’t he reach for his flag in between the time of Marsh’s alledged taunting action and prior to him having contact with him.I wish the reporter asked him why he hip checked Marsh.
NFL is a horse shit league. Billion dollar industry still officiated completely arbitrarily.Followed up by asking why didn’t he reach for his flag in between the time of Marsh’s alledged taunting action and prior to him having contact with him.
It looked to me like he was reaching for the flag before Marsh bumped him.Followed up by asking why didn’t he reach for his flag in between the time of Marsh’s alledged taunting action and prior to him having contact with him.
Of the top 10 things to be worried about in the NFL, taunting has to be ranked #947.Yesterday was as naked a screw job I can recall in the NFL. There was plenty of other bullshit, and putting an emphasis on a completely subjective infraction was always bound to bring issues, but when staring elicits a 15 yard penalty at a crucial juncture of the game, something has to happen. Refs can't have that type of power. If they want to legislate taunting out of the game, some clear guidelines need to be in place (e.g. an opponent has to be in the vicinity, the player needs to yell, gesture or spin the ball in his direction), otherwise you just hand refs a blank check to affect the outcome of games. Yesterday Corrente just admitedly decided he didn't like the way Marsh looked at the Steelers bench. That's absurd.
I know for me, I don't care about taunting. But these taunting calls make me nuts. They are awful.Of the top 10 things to be worried about in the NFL, taunting has to be ranked #947.
The penalty that negated the Bears TD was laughable. How can there be a penalty for a chop block when there was no block? Head hurts.Corrente also completely blew a call taking away a TD from Chicago – both wrongly interpreting the rule and also seeing contact when the guy actually whiffed.
And, he seemed to have taunted Marsh himself – leaning into to Marsh to bump him as he walked back to the huddle and then very dramatically throwing the flag.
In a normal world, he be disciplined for all that. But in the NFL …
Which means we’ll see him in the AFCCG.Corrente shouldn’t do another game all year.
Sure. Honestly, I not only don't mind taunting, I kind of enjoy it as a completely natural part of competitive sports. But if these old farts are apalled at these horrific actions of spinning balls and staring at benches, they should at least try to limit the discretion of officials as much as possible.Of the top 10 things to be worried about in the NFL, taunting has to be ranked #947.
That was the worst call of the game. Just inexcusable.The penalty that negated the Bears TD was laughable. How can there be a penalty for a chop block when there was no block? Head hurts.
Yeah. The rules are the rules but to arbitrarily decide which rules should be emphasized in any give year is dumb. If that wasn't taunting last year it shouldn't be this year (and it shouldn't, because he didn't do anything). What a horrible call and a disgrace to the league. Every week I start to believe more and more that the outcome of games isn't entirely above board.The point of emphasis stuff is always dreadful, every year.
“There has been too much X, so we’re going to look extra hard for it!” All arbitrarily decided by aggrieved coaches and owners, leading to refs being hyperaware, overcalling the emphasis, and ultimately having the league slink back into a corner when the point of emphasis makes them look stupid in a big primetime spot.
Taunting is a particularly bad one because it is entirely subjective and too easy for a hypersensitive and too-old ref to scream fire when there’s no smoke.
At this point coaches must be drilling into everyone’s head to just go celebrate with your teammates, no matter what, and pray nobody thinks you looked the wrong way.
I thought the Saints-Bucs game was bad in the officiating front last week, and I looked it up and Tampa had 11 penalties called for 99 yards while NO had 2 called for 10 yards. Tampa 7.3 yards per play, zero first downs by penalty, NO 5.0 yards per play, 6 first downs by penalty. But that game didn't have calls as egregious as the taunting and low block in yesterday's game.PIT had 280 total yards on 4.2 yards per play, with Chicago gaining over 400 on 7.1 yards per play. PIT was plus one in turnover margin.
Not usually a stat like you see lead to PIT winning. I can’t figure out what the difference in the game was!!
The stat they threw up on the screen late in the game that showed Najee Harris was averaging only 3.0 yards/carry went unmentioned by the ESPN crew.PIT had 280 total yards on 4.2 yards per play, with Chicago gaining over 400 on 7.1 yards per play. PIT was plus one in turnover margin.
Not usually a stat like you see lead to PIT winning. I can’t figure out what the difference in the game was!!
Yuuup. NFL officiating is a complete joke and has been for many years.NFL is a horse shit league. Billion dollar industry still officiated completely arbitrarily.
To be fair, is there any major US sports league where this isn’t the case?Yuuup. NFL officiating is a complete joke and has been for many years.
Yes. I think the NFL is widely inconsistent and several steps below the other sports. And several steps below the top level of the NCAA.To be fair, is there any major US sports league where this isn’t the case?
I’m not sure. The Bruins had goals scored against them in 2019 after egregious non-calls. We saw a mess of a strike zone in a key ALCS game. NBA officiating is notoriously iffy with a number of refs. I don’t think the NFL has a monopoly on shitty officiating or shitty rules.Yes. I think the NFL is widely inconsistent and several steps below the other sports. And several steps below the top level of the NCAA.
NCAA refs are really really bad, I think maybe you just aren't as invested?I'm not saying other pro sports are great. Just not as bad as NFL. I don't see nearly the inconsistency and overall poor officiating at the NCAA level. Why does the NFL have worse officiating than "amateurs"?
I think the NHL does a decent job. Sure, I was likely ranting about those non-calls but still those seem to be outliers compared to the NFL. I don't watch enough of the NBA to speak there although I am well aware of the rep for star treatment. I do think NBA is tougher to officiate.
MLB does have a strike zone issue particularly with a couple umps. Also have some umps that have power trips. Fortunately, one is now gone. I do think MLB needs to automate the strike zone. Although I'm not sure there is anything comparable to calling balls/strikes in the NFL.
NFL refs do generally have thick skin. I'll give them that. They take a lot of heat from coaches.
Agreed.I’m not sure. The Bruins had goals scored against them in 2019 after egregious non-calls. We saw a mess of a strike zone in a key ALCS game. NBA officiating is notoriously iffy with a number of refs. I don’t think the NFL has a monopoly on shitty officiating or shitty rules.
In fairness, it looked like he was reaching for the flag prior to the bumpJust in case anyone is missing context...
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Q:There appears to also have been some contact between you and the player in question. Did that contribute to the penalty being called?
A:No, not at all. I didn't judge that as anything that I dealt with.
Q: The video showed that you had brief contact with the player and then you threw the flag. So that had nothing to do with the penalty being called?
A: That had nothing to do with it. It was the taunting aspect.
I don't understand how you can watch that clip and not believe Corrente is just straight up gaslighting here. He's 100% full of shit.
That's true, but the NFL seems to be the only league where different issues are emphasized every year even though the rules didn't change, and players have to constantly adjust based on these new directives. Taunting was always a penalty. Would last night's incident ever be a penalty in prior years?To be fair, is there any major US sports league where this isn’t the case?
As was excessive celebration at one point no? Hence the no fun league jokes. They fixed that a few years ago. But this seems just be another version of the excessive celebration shitshow from back then.That's true, but the NFL seems to be the only league where different issues are emphasized every year even though the rules didn't change, and players have to constantly adjust based on these new directives. Taunting was always a penalty. Would last night's incident ever be a penalty in prior years?
I dunno. The NHL has gone through numerous offsides iterations in recent years, they’ve changed icing, moved the blue lines, changed the shape of the crease. The NBA did the whole James-Harden rule thing this year, they did the shot clock reset to 14 seconds after a miss a few years back. All these games are in flux with pretty meaningful changes, and they all have some pretty egregious issues with consistency of officiating and making shitty decisions on rule enforcement.That's true, but the NFL seems to be the only league where different issues are emphasized every year even though the rules didn't change, and players have to constantly adjust based on these new directives. Taunting was always a penalty. Would last night's incident ever be a penalty in prior years?
I don't follow the NHL much so I'll defer to you. But in general those seem to be rule changes, not interpretation changes. If the NFL made a new rule this year that said if you stare at the opposing sideline after making a tackle it's a personal foul then last night would make sense (even if the rule would be really stupid). That's not the case here. Taunting has always been a penalty and what Marsh did last night has never been called taunting before. That's the issue I have.I dunno. The NHL has gone through numerous offsides iterations in recent years, they’ve changed icing, moved the blue lines, changed the shape of the crease. The NBA did the whole James-Harden rule thing this year, they did the shot clock reset to 14 seconds after a miss a few years back. All these games are in flux with pretty meaningful changes, and they all have some pretty egregious issues with consistency of officiating and making shitty decisions on rule enforcement.
Or he was having trouble pulling the flag out of his pocket and bumped into the player while trying to do that.Man I have no dog in that fight but it sure looks like he was trying to initiate contact with the player to justify throwing the flag. Maybe he realized it wasn't going to look good and said it was for the stare instead of the contact. Either way, Corrente should 100% not be an official in any NFL games because he clearly was looking to initiate physical contact with that player. He moved into him. There is no justification for that.
Yeah, point of emphasis or no, that was something new. Now you can't look at the opposing bench, from a hundred feet away, without saying anything? We've completely lost the point here.I don't follow the NHL much so I'll defer to you. But in general those seem to be rule changes, not interpretation changes. If the NFL made a new rule this year that said if you stare at the opposing sideline after making a tackle it's a personal foul then last night would make sense (even if the rule would be really stupid). That's not the case here. Taunting has always been a penalty and what Marsh did last night has never been called taunting before. That's the issue I have.
Baseball is, by far, the easiest. The game is static. NHL is not that tough, too. Refs miss calls or may not make calls that you want, but it's not nearly as subjective as hoops or football.The thing with the NFL is that I'd argue football is the easiest sport to officiate. There's an interruption after every play, there is subjectivity involved with some calls, but a lot of them are procedural and objective, you have a ton of refs on the field, you can simply check the review of scoring plays and turnovers automatically. There's really no excuse for them to suck, as opposed to, say, soccer/basketball refs, who have to make a ton of judgement calls over the course of a flowing game with little natural stoppages.
I don't watch as much as many here probably do but I average about 2-3 NCAA games per week. I don't see nearly the same ineptness and inconsistency that I do in the NFL. I watch usually no more than 2 NFL games these days and, honestly, poor officiating is one of the reasons I watch less than a few seasons ago. This isn't something new for me. This season, I'll watch the Pats and maybe one other game.NCAA refs are really really bad, I think maybe you just aren't as invested?
I don't know. I agree with @rodderick, NFL is the easiest in my mind.Baseball is, by far, the easiest. The game is static. NHL is not that tough, too. Refs miss calls or may not make calls that you want, but it's not nearly as subjective as hoops or football.
NBA is probably the toughest with the NFL slightly below that.
I’ve never been one of those “the games are fixed” guys……but I’m also not naive enough to believe that there are officials out there with significant wagers on games. As gambling becomes more of the American culture this is going to be a scandal that slips through the underground cracks at some point. I would not be surprised one hit to find out this game wasn’t compromised. There were a couple blatant non-RTP calls on Fields, the chop block that wasn’t a block, the taunting penalty on a critical 4th down stop, and I wasn’t watching closely but were all of those offsides penalties on the Bears legits?That was the worst call of the game. Just inexcusable.
Notwithstanding last night's disaster, I agree. Plus, you see these guys huddling to discuss calls a lot more, which is the right thing to do (and may be a little theater to delay while NY calls in on their headset).I think NFL officiating overall is better this year: New York calls in to reverse egregious errors now, which I think is a big improvement.
Corrente was being an asshole last night -- but increasingly, these refs are being totally failed by the league:The thing with the NFL is that I'd argue football is the easiest sport to officiate. There's an interruption after every play, there is subjectivity involved with some calls, but a lot of them are procedural and objective, you have a ton of refs on the field, you can simply check the review of scoring plays and turnovers automatically. There's really no excuse for them to suck, as opposed to, say, soccer/basketball refs, who have to make a ton of judgement calls over the course of a flowing game with little natural stoppages.