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This is awesome. Vrable is my dream replacement for Belichick when the old man finally steps down.
 

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Ruggs sentenced to between a FG or a FG and a TD.
Ruggs' wanton recklessness led to the horrifying death of an innocent young woman. If he does a day less than the full ten years, it's a travesty. Frankly, it should be 10 years-to-life. His obscene level of drunkenness and outrageous speeding infractions must be punished more severely.
 

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Ruggs' wanton recklessness led to the horrifying death of an innocent young woman. If he does a day less than the full ten years, it's a travesty. Frankly, it should be 10 years-to-life. His obscene level of drunkenness and outrageous speeding infractions must be punished more severely.
I mean, what is the argument for him potentially only getting 3 years?
 

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Ruggs' wanton recklessness led to the horrifying death of an innocent young woman. If he does a day less than the full ten years, it's a travesty. Frankly, it should be 10 years-to-life. His obscene level of drunkenness and outrageous speeding infractions must be punished more severely.
I completely forgot he killed a person. Yeah 3-10 is light.
 

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Questions about how they obtained the blood alcohol test. It was a plea.

https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/henry-ruggs-sentenced-after-deadly-dui-crash/
Nothing in that article says anything about issues relating to his blood alcohol level. This is what I found in an ESPN piece:

According to police, on Nov. 2, 2021, Ruggs was driving drunk and reached speeds of 156 mph just seconds before crashing his Chevrolet Corvette Stingray into Tintor's Toyota RAV4, which was traveling just over 43 mph. Tintor's RAV4 was propelled 571 feet. A blood draw about two hours after the crash revealed that Ruggs' blood alcohol level was 0.161 -- more than twice the legal limit in Nevada.

In the hours before the crash, police said that Ruggs was at Topgolf near The Strip with three other people, including his girlfriend, Kiara Je'nai Kilgo-Washington. Police cited an itemized copy of a Topgolf receipt, which showed a tab under Kilgo-Washington's name was billed for food, drinks and gameplay. The group was billed for 20 drinks, most of which contained tequila, police said. Police also said that Ruggs and Kilgo-Washington were at a friend's house for about three hours before the crash. According to police, Ruggs was playing pool and learning to play poker at the friend's house.

Outside of a few words in court, Ruggs has not spoken publicly about the case. But police did obtain the transcript of a phone call from prison the day after the crash in which Ruggs, speaking to an unidentified man, admitted to being drunk. He also said on the call, which lasted five minutes, that the last thing he remembered before the crash was learning to play poker. "I don't even remember leaving," he said, according to the transcription obtained by police.
Was there some issue about the transcript? Even if there was, it seems like the fact that he was still twice over the legal limit two hours after the crash would matter.
 

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Nothing in that article says anything about issues relating to his blood alcohol level. This is what I found in an ESPN piece:


Was there some issue about the transcript? Even if there was, it seems like the fact that he was still twice over the legal limit two hours after the crash would matter.
Sorry, it was from a NYT article, I forgot where I read it:
The plea deal resolved nearly two years of legal jostling between prosecutors and Ruggs’s defense team, which had raised questions about how the police gathered evidence that Ruggs had been drinking.
Ruggs did not admit to drinking when he was interviewed by authorities after the crash, but the police got a warrant to take blood-alcohol tests when Ruggs went to a hospital. His lawyers argued that the police should not have been able to get the warrant. And in May, Steven Wolfson, the Clark County district attorney, acknowledged that it was not clear that the blood samples would be able to be used at trial, which led to the offer of the plea agreement.

“There was a legitimate concern that a court would have suppressed the result of the blood draw,” Wolfson said in a statement. “We would have lost the felony D.U.I. charge. We couldn’t take that chance.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/09/sports/football/henry-ruggs-crash-sentence.html
 

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Prosecutors always make it seem like they had a weak case when they settle for nothing with rich folks. Reminds me of the comments from Jared Fogle’s prosecutor after that dude only got 15 years. Does a driver need to admit intoxication for a warrant to issue? Seems like the facts would’ve sufficed without an admission. @Rovin Romine
 

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And he's been on house arrest with an ankle monitor. When you have money...

I hope he is left penniless from civil lawsuits. Fuck him.
 

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Prosecutors always make it seem like they had a weak case when they settle for nothing with rich folks. Reminds me of the comments from Jared Fogle’s prosecutor after that dude only got 15 years. Does a driver need to admit intoxication for a warrant to issue? Seems like the facts would’ve sufficed without an admission. @Rovin Romine
20 year defense attorney in Oregon here. It’s unclear from the article exactly what went down, but a warrant needs to be supported by probable cause. A car accident alone, even with that degree of recklessness, would not be enough to support intoxication. If the cops got a warrant before they took the necessary steps to gather sufficient evidence to support PC (FSTs, etc) then the state may have had a real problem.
 

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IMO, it's more because DA's don't like the political backlash if the high profile guy gets acquitted or doesn't get the "desired" level of charges.

See Big Ben.
 

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20 year defense attorney in Oregon here. It’s unclear from the article exactly what went down, but a warrant needs to be supported by probable cause. A car accident alone, even with that degree of recklessness, would not be enough to support intoxication. If the cops got a warrant before they took the necessary steps to gather sufficient evidence to support PC (FSTs, etc) then the state may have had a real problem.
Dude had a super high BAC and had just been driving 160 mph. Wouldn’t any cops noticing alcohol on his breath, slurred speech, etc been enough to get a warrant? Also, wasn’t he drinking in a public spot before? Wouldn’t there be witnesses? Receipts? Security?
 

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Dude had a super high BAC and had just been driving 160 mph. Wouldn’t any cops noticing alcohol on his breath, slurred speech, etc been enough to get a warrant? Also, wasn’t he drinking in a public spot before? Wouldn’t there be witnesses? Receipts? Security?
Sure. The BAC is what the warrant was to search for, so they would not have had that info. The sequence of events matters. You can’t get a warrant first and then gather all the information to justify it afterwards. If someone jumped the gun and called in for the warrant before they talked to witnesses, checked for signs of impairment, etc, then the warrant is no good and the high BAC doesn’t get admitted into evidence. DAs who blow big cases go down in infamy. Hence the plea bargain.
 

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For sure, I meant more a dude with a BAC that high - however much time later - would likely be exhibiting signs of intoxication at the scene after driving 160 mph and killing a woman horribly.
 

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Hey, he may only be 27 when he gets out, could have a long NFL career in front of him! Found the parts about “Raiders nation” puzzling from the victims family, but it sounds like they were not a vindictive group, which perhaps helped Ruggs?
 

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For sure, I meant more a dude with a BAC that high - however much time later - would likely be exhibiting signs of intoxication at the scene after driving 160 mph and killing a woman horribly.
Absolutely. The key is to gather and document that evidence in the affidavit supporting the request for the warrant. I’ve seen some preposterously incompetent police work related to search warrants, even in the most serious cases like homicides.

As an aside, I am aware that the crime scene would have been horrific and chaotic and I’m not trying to criticize, it’s just the reality our judicial system. The 4th Amendment exists for all of our protection.
 

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She was burned alive. Eyewitnesses reported hearing her screams while she was trapped in the car. Heartbreaking.
Yeah he not only killed her it was in a horrific fashion. 3 would seem light, but I’m increasingly leaning toward shorter prison terms as I get older. I dunno. I just hope he turns his life into something meaningful I guess.
 

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Yeah he not only killed her it was in a horrific fashion. 3 would seem light, but I’m increasingly leaning toward shorter prison terms as I get older. I dunno. I just hope he turns his life into something meaningful I guess.
20 years ago I might have been happy to see him get a long sentence-and while he definitely deserves it and while it’s trite to say this now strikes me as a tragic waste of his life as well.In a different life he doesn’t drink so much, he doesn’t lose control of the car, a friend takes the keys, whatever and this never happens and he and the poor victim both have long lifes
 

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Sure. The BAC is what the warrant was to search for, so they would not have had that info. The sequence of events matters. You can’t get a warrant first and then gather all the information to justify it afterwards. If someone jumped the gun and called in for the warrant before they talked to witnesses, checked for signs of impairment, etc, then the warrant is no good and the high BAC doesn’t get admitted into evidence. DAs who blow big cases go down in infamy. Hence the plea bargain.
All of this makes sense. But doesn't a judge have to sign off on the warrant, and don't they look at the evidence in the application? Do judges just sign off on DUI BAC warrants without paying much attention or did a cop possibly lie on the warrant application about what evidence they had? I know you don't know these answers. It just seems strange to me.
 

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All of this makes sense. But doesn't a judge have to sign off on the warrant, and don't they look at the evidence in the application? Do judges just sign off on DUI BAC warrants without paying much attention or did a cop possibly lie on the warrant application about what evidence they had? I know you don't know these answers. It just seems strange to me.
There are the rare officers that would risk their careers and lie in an affidavit, but those are few and far between. Truths may get stretched and things get exaggerated but that’s usually it. What is far more common is judges sign the steaming piles of hot garbage that are placed on their desk. Judges in this, and many, states are elected officials. They tend to be former prosecutors who wouldn’t know a bad search unless they were the ones on the receiving end of it. Also, this crash happened in the middle of the night, which is when the judge was likely awakened from a deep sleep to approve the warrant vie telephone. I imagine it is difficult to critique a homicide investigation when you just woke up.
 

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A good friend of mine lost his youngest son 10 years ago to a drunk driver, twice over the limit, his third such offense, he was given a 6 to 12 year sentence.

Found out early this morning he was granted parole.

He served about 3.5 years.
 

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A good friend of mine lost his youngest son 10 years ago to a drunk driver, twice over the limit, his third such offense, he was given a 6 to 12 year sentence.

Found out early this morning he was granted parole.

He served about 3.5 years.
That’s awful.
 

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A good friend of mine lost his youngest son 10 years ago to a drunk driver, twice over the limit, his third such offense, he was given a 6 to 12 year sentence.

Found out early this morning he was granted parole.

He served about 3.5 years.
Did it take 6.5 years to get sentenced, or did the prick get released 6 years ago and you just found out?
 

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Justin Tucker just drilled a 60 yard field goal right down the middle like it was absolutely nothing in the Ravens’ preseason game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
 

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Holy shit, I’m listening to the Lombardi podcast and the are talking about the Cardinals/Broncos game (I didn’t watch) and they said the the new Zona coach zero blitzed on their opening defensive play of a preseason game

HAHAHAHA. They said he blitzed all game. Oh, this made my day. That’s so weird and funny that he would do that. Reminds me of Spurrier running up the score in preseason.
 

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Damn, that’s awful for everyone involved, particularly Collins’s family. I had a long talk with my 16 year old about the pros and cons of motorcycle riding. That shit scares the hell out of me as a father.
I’m a simple car and motorcycle wreck attorney.

I’ll never let my kids get on one.
 

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I’m a simple car and motorcycle wreck attorney.

I’ll never let my kids get on one.
When I was in college (Stone Age), I had a thing with a young woman working at one of the local colleges. Come summer break, I left Boston to go to my summer job, as did many of my friends. One of my classmates had been pestering the woman to go out with him, and out of sheer boredom, everyone else being gone, she agreed. He picked her up on his bike, and was maneuvering through Harvard Square traffic when she was thrown directly into the path of a large truck. She died 2 days later, without regaining consciousness.

Viewed fairly, I never knew if there was a fault element for the driver. For all I know, his bike may have been bumped by another vehicle. But that's the point, these things are inherently more dangerous than cars, even without operator error. No criticism aimed at bike enthusiasts, my closest friend was one, I just don't have the appetite for enhanced risk these machines seem to bring.
 

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When I was in college (Stone Age), I had a thing with a young woman working at one of the local colleges. Come summer break, I left Boston to go to my summer job, as did many of my friends. One of my classmates had been pestering the woman to go out with him, and out of sheer boredom, everyone else being gone, she agreed. He picked her up on his bike, and was maneuvering through Harvard Square traffic when she was thrown directly into the path of a large truck. She died 2 days later, without regaining consciousness.

Viewed fairly, I never knew if there was a fault element for the driver. For all I know, his bike may have been bumped by another vehicle. But that's the point, these things are inherently more dangerous than cars, even without operator error. No criticism aimed at bike enthusiasts, my closest friend was one, I just don't have the appetite for enhanced risk these machines seem to bring.
Jay Williams is another cautionary tale. Star athlete who would have made $150M+ in the NBA but completely ruined his career and almost ended his life because he had a fascination with motorcycles and crashed into a pole at a high speed. I have no idea why any athlete with that much to lose would get on one.
 

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Colts have changed course on Jonathan Taylor. Seeking first round pick. Not sure anyone is ponying up one given how de-valued the position is. Would expect teams like the Dolphins and Bills to potentially be interested. Other teams like the Cowboys might view it as a reasonable GFIN move, similar to SF with McCaffrey. A Taylor/Pollard combo would be a nightmare for defenses.