NCAA Elite 8 Weekend Games

LeftyTG

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I know, I know. Just poking fun at the 2 schools with academic scandals going against each other. NCAA must live this.
can we at least agree that there are orders of magnitude of difference between what UNC is accused of (fabricating entire classes and funneling athletes to fake majors) and what Syracuse got busted for (tutors improperly writing/editing some papers - something that, lets be real, probably happens everywhere)?
 

RedOctober3829

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can we at least agree that there are orders of magnitude of difference between what UNC is accused of (fabricating entire classes and funneling athletes to fake majors) and what Syracuse got busted for (tutors improperly writing/editing some papers - something that, lets be real, probably happens everywhere)?
Oh, absolutely. What UNC did is the worst.
 

Yossarian

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fabricating entire classes and funneling athletes to fake majors

I'm sure it looks particularly terrible when you fundamentally misstate the facts like that.
 

Average Reds

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can we at least agree that there are orders of magnitude of difference between what UNC is accused of (fabricating entire classes and funneling athletes to fake majors) and what Syracuse got busted for (tutors improperly writing/editing some papers - something that, lets be real, probably happens everywhere)?
You are understating things quite significantly.

It's not just that there is no comparison between Syracuse and UNC. It's that there is no precedent for what UNC has done. (Note that I won't refer to "allegations" since UNC has admitted to the behavior.) They ran a rogue athletics program that laundered the academic credentials of a significant portion of the athletes on numerous teams for more than two decades. There is literally no precedent.

However, there is a logical inference for how the NCAA should act. They need to impose the death penalty on UNC athletics as a whole and shut down the entire department. Let athletes transfer out to other school without penalty and issue "show cause" letters to every coach associated with UNC for the last 25+ years. Then set standards for how the program is reinstated within the NCAA.

This is the only punishment that would preserve even the slightest bit of ethical coherency on the part of the NCAA. But we already know that they won't do this, because the scandal surrounding UNC is too large for the NCAA to put their arms around. And UNC is (metaphorically) "too big to fail."

When they eventually get around to punishing UNC, the NCAA will try to pretend that the scandal was somehow "limited" in scope and search for ways to exonerate some of the sainted figures who have been a part of UNC athletics over the years. (The frauds formerly known as Dean Smith and Roy Williams are most prominent here.) In the meantime, they are hoping that no one notices that a sham program from a sham university is one of the favorites to emerge from the Final Four as champion.

This is why I am rooting hard for UNC. Because fuck the NCAA.
 

BaseballJones

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Just to refresh everyone's memory on the UNC scandal...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html

It's way, way, WAY bigger than what happened at SU. If Boeheim lost 100+ wins, and they lost scholarships, and couldn't go to the postseason for a year (for the record, I think SU should have been punished), then UNC should receive what amounts to the death penalty. It's just enormous what happened there. It's so significant that the University of North Carolina - a massive and important institution - was put on probation by the accrediting agency (see: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article25064497.html). That's just one step away from losing accreditation. And if THAT has happened, you know it's a big, big deal.

UNC should be in very deep trouble - its athletics too, since they were involved in it.